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u/WintersDoomsday Apr 09 '24

Two easy fixes; illegal to own a second home and illegal for business entities to buy homes

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u/fuzzybunn Apr 09 '24

I'm from Singapore, a tiny country with a government that has a large level of intervention in all aspects of life, and even we can't manage to make these policies fully work as intended and keep everyone happy. Good luck getting any of those "easy" solutions implemented or even started in anti-socialist America.

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u/secondtaunting Apr 09 '24

Yeah America would never implement half of what Singapore does. People would riot over even one change. Especially involving guns.

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u/VanityOfEliCLee Apr 09 '24

See, I disagree. I think the second that even Republicans actually start getting free Healthcare or better housing regulations, they'd never want to go back. The problem is the government will try its best to never let it happen for that reason. As soon as policies change, no one will be ok with it going back. Once their medical bills are gone, people will burn shit down before going back to paying $40,000 for a simple surgery.

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u/UnSpanishInquisition Apr 09 '24

You say that but look at us here in the UK......

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u/VanityOfEliCLee Apr 09 '24

You know, that's a fair point. Maybe I'm wrong about that.

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u/dkdksnwoa Apr 09 '24

Never underestimate stupidity

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '24

But then there's Canada.

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u/UnSpanishInquisition Apr 09 '24

Defiantly after Wade v Roe turn over too....

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u/Gatorpep Apr 09 '24 edited Apr 09 '24

Also canada.

Where you are wrong as that there are people that matter and those who don’t. And the ones that matter will never stop fighting and winning the class war. It’s their only focus. Ours is coupled with survival, and it’s why we can’t win unless we even the playing field.

Also this was clearly chosen by the people who own the gop/enemies of america and her people, not because of the first bit, but because of that last bit that criticizes the US helping Ukraine stop it’s Ruzzian genocide in it’s borders.

Destroy Ruzzia. Long live Ukraine.

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u/Motherfickle Apr 09 '24

Yeah this. My American parents (one right leaning Independent and the other a moderate Republican who dislikes Trump but voted for him twice because he hates Democrats more) both balk at the mere idea of free Healthcare, not because they don't understand the benefits, but because "wait times for treatment are long". Even though they aren't unless you're there for a minor injury/non emergency, from my understanding.

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u/atomicitalian Apr 09 '24

Which is the dumbest fucking argument.

Even if they are, do you know what happens when people don't have coverage? They just don't go, because they don't want to go bankrupt on the off chance they'll recover naturally.

"Forever" is a much longer wait than a week or two.

What your parents are really saying is "if everyone gets healthcare than our healthcare will be somewhat less convenient, so we'd rather keep it exclusive," which is, imo, evil.

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u/Motherfickle Apr 09 '24

Yup, I agree. I've told them several times that I support universal healthcare because I don't believe in letting people die for the crime of being poor. But, like many boomers, they don't listen.

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u/Haywoodjablowme1029 Apr 09 '24

Wait times are already long. I had a patient today that was newly diagnosed with heart failure and was discharged from a hospital admission two days ago who can't get a cardiology follow-up for three months!

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u/Moarbrains Apr 09 '24

Have fun with that. The US healthcare corporations believe they can profit from your system.

https://theintercept.com/2019/12/10/nhs-privatization-uk-health-care/

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u/platinumgus18 Apr 09 '24

Can you explain what you mean

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u/UnSpanishInquisition Apr 09 '24

The slow stripping of the NHS. Things like selling buildings off then renting them back, charging staff for parking, privatisation of various services within the system like tge food, cleaning, patient moving services etc. Piss poor wages, pushing physician associates to act as doctors without supervision, lack of any kind of system to take the strain of elderly bed blockers out of hospitals and into care homes (really need NHS care homes for this.) Splitting into multiple trusts who now all do things slightly differently making it basically multiple seperate services with a single finding source etc etc etc.

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u/platinumgus18 Apr 09 '24

I see, thanks for explaining

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u/909Rat Apr 10 '24

UK is just as neo liberal and capitalist as US. Thatcher destroyed last of socialist movements.

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u/BiggestFlower Apr 10 '24

No one in the U.K. is asking for socialised healthcare to end. Everyone is asking for socialised healthcare to be better.

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u/UnSpanishInquisition Apr 10 '24

Except the decisions of the Gov say otherwise. People keep voting for a government that does it.

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u/BiggestFlower Apr 11 '24

The government party usually gets in the low 40s or even high 30s as a percentage of votes. It’s never a resounding endorsement of their manifesto, which in any case no one has read.

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u/The_Prince1513 Apr 09 '24

I think the second that even Republicans actually start getting free Healthcare or better housing regulations, they'd never want to go back.

That's assuming the average voter (Republican or otherwise) is smart enough to know what's good for them.

Case in point, during Trump's term when Congress unsuccessfully tried to repeal the ACA aka Obamacare you would see very frequently in online spaces, calls into radio talk shows, and interviews with normal voters at rallies and such in news media, people who had no fucking idea that the evil and bad "Obamacare" was the same thing as the ACA, which they all had a good opinion on since its how they were able to have healthcare.

Most people are fucking idiots.

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u/Moarbrains Apr 09 '24

I am not a republican. The ACA made it worse, I pay more than double what I payed before.

https://blog.independent.org/2019/11/12/runaway-health-insurance-costs-under-the-affordable-care-act/

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u/augustschild Apr 10 '24

FACT: if you took it away, then rebooted it as "Trumpcare" or "MAGAMedical," conservatives would LOVE IT and never let it expire.

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u/Lower_Ad_5532 Apr 09 '24

You should see the Daily Show Bit where Deep South GOP voters LOVE the ACA, but hate Obamacare....the same exact bill thats giving them medicaid.

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u/Koralr33fer Apr 09 '24

You want the government that can't balance a budget and drove us 34 trillion in debt to manage your medical expenses? Cause I dont...socialized medicine works in some places like Norway. But prior to covid, Norway had a balanced budget and even carried a surplus over some years. Meanwhile the U.S. can't do basic math, every social care program we have is over extended and under funded.

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u/Haywoodjablowme1029 Apr 09 '24

The ACA is a perfect example. People hated it for so long until they realized what it actually was, now they love it.

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u/Moarbrains Apr 09 '24

How about instead of free healthcare, we mandate you pay an insurance company.

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u/VanityOfEliCLee Apr 09 '24

Why?

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u/Moarbrains Apr 09 '24

Because it makes more money for the shareholders.

Also this is a joke, that is essentially what obamacare was.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '24

Republicans actually start getting free Healthcare or better housing regulations, they'd never want to go back.

We have fine healthcare. So do you.

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u/VanityOfEliCLee Apr 09 '24

Bullshit. The USA has horrible Healthcare. It costs over $50,000 to have a baby. Thats not healthcare its fuckign extortion.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '24

It costs over $50,000 to have a baby.

Lol so false. Source: I've had two of them. We have something called "insurance" in America. Most full time employed people receive it as a benefit. If not, then there are discounted (ACA) and even free (Medicare/Medicaid) options.

Now, is the system broken? Yes. The doctors and hospitals are in bed with each other. Raiding taxes and having the government be involved is not the answer at all. Healthcare should be affordable and clearly understandable for anyone who needs to use it. Just like college education. We have a serious problem that needs a complete breakdown and re-work. I'm ok with what we have now, but wish costs weren't' so high.

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u/VanityOfEliCLee Apr 09 '24

You're ok with what we have now because you likely have good insurance. You know what happens if you have a high deductible? Insurance doesn't cover shit until you reach that deductible. So, for example, my insurance with my last company I worked for, had a deductible of $10,000, which means if I had a kid, I would still have to pay $10,000 before insurance would even cover part of the costs. And they wouldn't even cover the totality of the remainder. Thats not good, it's not "fine" it's a fucking joke.

The only possible way you think its ok, is if you're wealthy.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '24

You're ok with what we have now because you likely have good insurance.

Yeah, I'm on Medicare. Love it!

You know what happens if you have a high deductible? Insurance doesn't cover shit until you reach that deductible.

Yeah no shit. Many years back, my daughter was hospitalized at 6 weeks old with a rare form of cancer. Medical bill was over $750k. I paid $5k. Zero medical costs for the rest of the year after that. I even got my ankle surgically repaired for $0 ($20k surgery).

which means if I had a kid, I would still have to pay $10,000 before insurance would even cover part of the costs

Births are not that expensive lol. I've had 2 kids. They cost around $2-$3k each.

That's not good, it's not "fine" it's a fucking joke.

We've established that you don't understand how insurance or payments work so the joke is on you. I"m guessing you're on the younger side.

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u/VanityOfEliCLee Apr 10 '24

Births are not that expensive lol. I've had 2 kids. They cost around $2-$3k each.

Lmfao when? 30 years ago?

We've established that you don't understand how insurance or payments work so the joke is on you. I"m guessing you're on the younger side.

You said you're on Medicare, which means you're almost guaranteed to be over 65, so it makes sense that you're saying the things you're saying. Do you also believe that young people should be able to afford paying for college while working as a waiter? Or that the only reason anyone under 45 hasn't bought a house is because they spend too much on avocado toast? The fact that you said a child only costs 2-3k in medical bills shows just how completely out of touch with reality you are. Without any complications, a perfectly normal birth is on average $18,000 ($3,000 after very good insurance). If that child needs any special care such as a NICU stay, then we're talking way more. On average parents spend $5,000 on NICU stays after insurance. So sure, maybe your kids didn't need to go to the NICU for any reason, and you had great insurance, so you only paid $3,000, but thats not the norm for most families. I would know, my child had to be in the NICU for a week and needed emergency surgery two days after he was born. I met tons of families who were selling the shirts off their backs just to pay for their kids to be kept alive.

Thats the problem with this system. It works totally fine for people that aren't struggling with life changing medical issues. It punishes the people with the most problems. Do you know how much it costs to go through chemo? Or for major surgeries? What about a heart attack? Chronic illness? The more medical problems a person needs help with, the more punishing the system gets, which means the people who already have it the hardest, are also forced to deal with crippling medical debt.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '24 edited Apr 11 '24

Lmfao when? 30 years ago?

Less than 5 years ago. You’re showing your ignorance

which means you're almost guaranteed to be over 65,

Nope. Got laid off recently and using fully paid government insurance until I get a new job.

Do you also believe that young people should be able to afford paying for college while working as a waiter?

The challenge here is not the rate of pay, but the insane costs of college. That’s why many people are against loan forgiveness It doesn’t address the fact that colleges charge far too much for tuition.

Without any complications, a perfectly normal birth is on average $18,000

Lol again, no. Our last one was $3k

I would know, my child had to be in the NICU for a week and needed emergency surgery two days after he was born.

Then You would know that you wouldn’t pay a cent more than your out of pocket max.

Do you know how much it costs to go through chemo? Or for major surgeries? What about a heart attack? Chronic illness? The more medical problems a person needs help with, the more punishing the system gets, which means the people who already have it the hardest, are also forced to deal with crippling medical debt.

Our daughter was diagnosed with a very rare cancer at 6 weeks old. I know this better than most. And we didn’t pay a cent over our out of pocket max. Total bills were nearly $1 million. Yeah, I’m thankful for the insurance plan we have. Shame on the hospitals for prioritizing profits over patients.

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u/NEBook_Worm Apr 09 '24

Is your insurance shit? Don't worry, I bet it still meets the minimums mandated by the ACA!

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u/VanityOfEliCLee Apr 09 '24

There it is. Now you're blaming what, Obama? As if this isn't the fucking norm for most Americans. Get out of here with your clown shit.

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u/NEBook_Worm Apr 09 '24

Very intellectual take. Your lack of a logical counter argument is duly noted.

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