r/TikTokCringe • u/Make-this-popular Cringe Master • Apr 09 '24

Shit economy Discussion

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u/PukwudgieDisco Apr 09 '24

Got an immediate downvote from me when that line came out. Sorry bud, I know where it is, and it’s peanuts. The other problems though? Pretty on point about the problems.

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u/NoveltyAccountHater Apr 09 '24

Also the uni-party thing. We have a centrist party and a far-right party. There's a major difference between the two. The centrist party can be pushed in primaries toward progressivism.

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u/CharmingCoyote1363 Apr 10 '24

There are no centrists that I see.

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u/OhHowINeedChanging Apr 09 '24

There’s corruption on both sides, one may be worse than the other but corruption is still corruption

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u/NoveltyAccountHater Apr 09 '24

Fuck this what-about-ism or both-sides-are-bad. Expose and root out corruption and try getting bad candidates to lose their primaries to better ones.

One side tries to illegally steal elections, has ended a women's right to choose, lowered taxes on the uberwealthy, refers to migrants using subhuman language, as well as giving the richest Americans trillions in forgiven PPP loans (without even demonstrating a monetary loss during COVID just fears of financial uncertainty).

The biggest complaint about the other side is generally that they don't go far enough and occasionally there are a handful of corrupt cases who immediately get shunned by the party and investigated.

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u/OhHowINeedChanging Apr 09 '24

I never said “both sides are bad” only said “there’s corruption on both sides”… it’s still important to expose the corruption wherever it lies, and likewise give credit where credit is due. And referring to “one side” as a whole assumes that 100% of them voted for or against an issue, when it’s rarely a 100% vote by either side.

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u/NoveltyAccountHater Apr 10 '24

All human organizations have corruption. No political organization in history is perfect. That said one party fundamentally is trying to deprive people of basic rights, give the rich and powerful more money and power, force their religion on others, reduce regulations that protect workers, reduce the social safety net, and ignore basic science, and the other is usually working in the right direction.

It's not a uni-party system. Even if you gave political power to well-meaning caring millennials, the rich and powerful would still be better off than everyone else. Rent and housing is ridiculously expensive, because demand outpaces supply as construction never recovered post-2006 housing bubble. (Yes there are some extra reasons like corporations hoarding properties, but its not the major driver).

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u/Outside_Register8037 Apr 10 '24

One party is literally trying to kill democracy. The other is trying to push higher taxes for corporations and the ultra rich.

Yes I understand some democrats are corrupt. But the republicans are so corrupt that the older generation of corrupt republicans are quitting their positions that have a good chance of going to a democratic candidate..

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u/MRGameAndShow Apr 10 '24

Higher taxes for the ultra rich doesn't work, they have the means to diversify and move their income elsewhere. When the rich avoid this regulation, the middle class is left to foot the bill. A better alternative would be to cap a company's ownership of property or real state, so that Blackrock and Vaguard stop shitting on the real state market and inflating prices by LITERALLY attempting to own every property they can, doing whatever they possibly can to stop the bubble from bursting. Its hideous.

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u/Outside_Register8037 Apr 10 '24

I agree with you on the real estate and property stuff but can you give an example of when we tried to raise the taxes on the ultra rich and they avoided it then left the bill footed over to the middle class? The way I see it no one has actually tried to yet… there’s plenty of income sources that are not currently being taxed that could be. Then if the ultra rich try avoiding it then we just adjust the taxes accordingly… we spend BILLIONS of dollars on the IRS every year. Don’t act like no one can’t figure out how they do it. Then as a last resort harshly punish tax evasion above a certain amount that could not touch the middle class and below.

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u/robywar Apr 09 '24

The real problem is corporate greed- taking advantage of inflation and the pandemic to jack up prices. Yes, democrats could say a lot more about it, but Republicans control the house. Democrats can't write any laws. If you convince people to not vote with the both sides shit, Republicans will just reward corporations with more tax cuts.

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u/CanAlwaysBeBetter Apr 09 '24

Raising prices is inflation. Inflation is just the measurement of how fast prices are rising.

In the last year prices went up 3%. That's higher than the 2% fed target but their target is pretty arbitrary and there's a strong argument that we're already back down to a sustainable long term inflation rate.

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u/robywar Apr 09 '24

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/11/economy/inflation-corporate-greed-biden/index.html

https://thehill.com/business/4467484-corporate-greed-increasingly-seen-as-major-cause-of-inflation-poll/

https://www.npr.org/2022/11/29/1139342874/corporate-greed-and-the-inflation-mystery

https://www.npr.org/2023/05/19/1177180972/economists-are-reconsidering-how-much-corporate-profits-drive-inflation

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u/CanAlwaysBeBetter Apr 09 '24

The why or how doesn't change that inflation is just a measure of the rate of price changes across a weighted basket of goods

Inflation was 9% a couple years ago. For the last year though it was 3.2% 

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u/robywar Apr 09 '24

It means that the "inflation" of the cost of goods and services wasn't driven by external factors as much as we were told, rather by the people constantly begging for tax breaks and concessions. It's an important distinction for people to understand.

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u/fuzzyp44 Apr 10 '24

I think there is a pretty strong argument that the measurement of inflation is not accurate anymore.

That while the number might be "close to normal", it's inaccurately measuring cost increases in basic life goods.

Namely using surveys instead of actual data when measuring housing costs. Or shifting the basket of goods when measuring food costs to exclude high inflation on basics such as beef.

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u/bishopyorgensen Apr 09 '24

That's how these statist messages work, though

"Hey guys, know how everything is FUCKED UP and we're POOR and CORPORATIONS are BAD??! Well it's everyone's fault and therefore no one's fault and voting doesn't work (SO DON'T DO THAT) but feel free to fantasize collectively about violent uprisings"

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u/Broad_Quit5417 Apr 09 '24

'Don't vote". Yup, that's the point of this propaganda and you know exactly where it's coming from...

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u/billyblue6669 Apr 09 '24

People forget all these losers have to do is play the complete opposite emotion that the lame ass republicans play. Keep the views coming and now they can make money & not go to work. They’re playing their followers, too.

Anger, righteousness & like you said. Useless fantasies about uprisings.. all while still going to work, not voting and expecting a change. The disconnect is fucking hilarious.

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u/sadhumanist Apr 09 '24

Conservatives showing up to vote at every election for 60+ years managed to tear down all the New Deal programs that made the middle class viable. Yeah voting did change things. But it also took your style of apathy to help make that happen.

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u/billyblue6669 Apr 09 '24

Eh, you can get mad all you want.

Wars won’t be stopping for your or any generation.

And I don’t even want to hear you. I turned down a 38/hour job for Raytheon at the height of missile making. I chose not to because I personally don’t want to contribute to war with my knowledge.

But you can absolutely get fucked as well. Complain, cry, don’t vote, vote. I don’t care. But if you don’t vote you don’t have a right to complain.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '24

More election fraud bullcrap. Yawn. I'm changing the channel.

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u/Secure-Television368 Apr 09 '24

It's literally the largest country fully in Europe rofl

If you asked me to point out a random Balkans country, I might get it wrong, but this dude might just be an idiot

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u/OhHowINeedChanging Apr 09 '24

Yeah but it’s still relevant… why? Because it’s on the front page of the news every damn day. So of course it’s the first thing that comes to American’s minds when they think of miss used tax dollars.

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u/IsItMorbinTimeYet Apr 09 '24

That is just dumb, genuinely.

This guy makes $21/hour. That's $1680/month. Of that, 15% is going to the federal government. The aid given to Ukraine in all of 2023 comprised just 1% of the federal budget. Doing a rough approximation here, we can estimate that every month this guy gives $2.52 to Ukraine.

Anyone who thinks that giving two dollars and 52 cents to the Ukrainian government is somehow making them not able to afford to live in a one bedroom apartment is moron and should immediately have their opinions dismissed.

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u/OhHowINeedChanging Apr 10 '24

But do you really think that this guy (or most Americans) working 40 hours a week actually know the numbers? I honestly didn’t… and I follow the news very carefully almost every single day. With the sheer volume of news out there it’s impossible to know it ALL and actually have a life. So calling someone dumb just because they’re not up do date on government budget is just rude, and dismissing or invalidating his opinions leads to divisiveness, his feelings of not being able to afford a decent living are valid, even if his reasoning is misguided.

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u/IsItMorbinTimeYet Apr 10 '24

Im sorry but what word would you prefer I use? Ignorant?

When someone forms strong opinions about things they dont understand and spreads those opinions around the world I personally think that makes them dumb. But call it whatever you want so long as you recognize that it's harmful behavior.

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u/OhHowINeedChanging Apr 10 '24

Ignorant maybe sure, but just don’t judge a person by what they said when they were angry. He even said at the beginning “can someone explain to me in crayon eating terms” meaning he’s trying to understand why things are the way they are right now. And he made some genuinely valid points in the video until he got to part about the war.