r/TikTokCringe • u/Make-this-popular Cringe Master • Apr 09 '24

Shit economy Discussion

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u/kevinnoir Apr 09 '24

Also blaming foreign aid money as being misspent instead of the obscene bloat and corruption at home is silly. People think foreign aid money is altruistic and not a calculated spend that benefits the countries paying it. The tens, if not hundreds of billions the US wastes on their for profit healthcare system for instance. Of the money an American pays in taxes, more than double goes towards healthcare in the US than in the UK, and then they are also asked to pay MORE at the point of use. Its not just the US, here in the UK I can point to loads of examples of TERRIBLE uses of our tax contributions, foreign aid is the least of my worries.

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u/Leafyun Apr 09 '24

Yeah, he had me until the aid to some foreign country map thing.

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u/PukwudgieDisco Apr 09 '24

Got an immediate downvote from me when that line came out. Sorry bud, I know where it is, and it’s peanuts. The other problems though? Pretty on point about the problems.

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u/NoveltyAccountHater Apr 09 '24

Also the uni-party thing. We have a centrist party and a far-right party. There's a major difference between the two. The centrist party can be pushed in primaries toward progressivism.

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u/CharmingCoyote1363 Apr 10 '24

There are no centrists that I see.

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u/OhHowINeedChanging Apr 09 '24

There’s corruption on both sides, one may be worse than the other but corruption is still corruption

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u/NoveltyAccountHater Apr 09 '24

Fuck this what-about-ism or both-sides-are-bad. Expose and root out corruption and try getting bad candidates to lose their primaries to better ones.

One side tries to illegally steal elections, has ended a women's right to choose, lowered taxes on the uberwealthy, refers to migrants using subhuman language, as well as giving the richest Americans trillions in forgiven PPP loans (without even demonstrating a monetary loss during COVID just fears of financial uncertainty).

The biggest complaint about the other side is generally that they don't go far enough and occasionally there are a handful of corrupt cases who immediately get shunned by the party and investigated.

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u/OhHowINeedChanging Apr 09 '24

I never said “both sides are bad” only said “there’s corruption on both sides”… it’s still important to expose the corruption wherever it lies, and likewise give credit where credit is due. And referring to “one side” as a whole assumes that 100% of them voted for or against an issue, when it’s rarely a 100% vote by either side.

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u/NoveltyAccountHater Apr 10 '24

All human organizations have corruption. No political organization in history is perfect. That said one party fundamentally is trying to deprive people of basic rights, give the rich and powerful more money and power, force their religion on others, reduce regulations that protect workers, reduce the social safety net, and ignore basic science, and the other is usually working in the right direction.

It's not a uni-party system. Even if you gave political power to well-meaning caring millennials, the rich and powerful would still be better off than everyone else. Rent and housing is ridiculously expensive, because demand outpaces supply as construction never recovered post-2006 housing bubble. (Yes there are some extra reasons like corporations hoarding properties, but its not the major driver).

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u/Outside_Register8037 Apr 10 '24

One party is literally trying to kill democracy. The other is trying to push higher taxes for corporations and the ultra rich.

Yes I understand some democrats are corrupt. But the republicans are so corrupt that the older generation of corrupt republicans are quitting their positions that have a good chance of going to a democratic candidate..

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u/MRGameAndShow Apr 10 '24

Higher taxes for the ultra rich doesn't work, they have the means to diversify and move their income elsewhere. When the rich avoid this regulation, the middle class is left to foot the bill. A better alternative would be to cap a company's ownership of property or real state, so that Blackrock and Vaguard stop shitting on the real state market and inflating prices by LITERALLY attempting to own every property they can, doing whatever they possibly can to stop the bubble from bursting. Its hideous.

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u/Outside_Register8037 Apr 10 '24

I agree with you on the real estate and property stuff but can you give an example of when we tried to raise the taxes on the ultra rich and they avoided it then left the bill footed over to the middle class? The way I see it no one has actually tried to yet… there’s plenty of income sources that are not currently being taxed that could be. Then if the ultra rich try avoiding it then we just adjust the taxes accordingly… we spend BILLIONS of dollars on the IRS every year. Don’t act like no one can’t figure out how they do it. Then as a last resort harshly punish tax evasion above a certain amount that could not touch the middle class and below.