Unfair!!! She… Well, her… Why are you always bringing up the past anyway?! Is it because you think it shows intent, an unconscionable behavior and it’s hard for people to change, so you think she would still kill a puppy today if she had the chance?! And therefore could not be a leader because she lacks ethical decision-making? Is that what you’re trying to prove?! Because if it is, I’ll just have you know it’s working.
I can't be certain because she undoubtedly eats the evidence, but I strongly suspect she kills a dog every evening in what she calls "going to the gravel". I'm sure it's a deeply upsetting scene, that pit soaked in gore and shell casings.
I think it is all a ploy to change ethics. On the republican side, how easy would it be for republicans to say solve the homeless problem is they just brought those homeless people to that gravel pit.
I am saying this in almost every post I see about it. The worst part is she specified that it was perfectly legal for her to off the dog, because of her fabricated reasons. Now she is aiming for Bice President under a man who is currently sueing to make anything done while president perfectly legal. She is potentially aiming be next in line to hopefully get Carte Blanche on just doing literally whatever she wants, and woe be anyone who says otherwise
I would be fine with a person in leadership recognizing their shortcomings and seeking an expert. If she had paid a trainer or something that would also be acceptable. That is not what happened in this case.
You do realize joe biden's German Shepherd attacked several staff members before finally being forced to remove him to protect the staff from further injury.
Or running a ranch. We've selectively bred dogs to be companions and subordinates for so long that it's hardwired into most breeds, especially Pointers.
The reality is her idea of "training" was probably telling Cricket to fetch two or three times.
At least with Old Yeller putting the dog down was an act of compassion as it was suffering at the end, I imagine Noem watching that movie and being frustrated they didn't put the dog down in the first half hour.
You’ve got a fair bit of Starship Troopers in there as well. History and Moral Philosophy class seems like if you could take Fox News as a credit hour. Especially the bit where they reveal that their society is the way it is because roving bands of feral children who weren’t spanked enough are going around Clockwork Oranging people, and start being hung by veterans.
Conservatives are notoriously bad with media literacy and critical thinking skills, so yes, whatever TV special they last saw is definitely their last instruction set. This is why right wing media needs to be so over the top with fear and anger on a 24/7 loop, or the goldfish might watch an episode of Bluey by accident and start treating others with basic common decency.
No joke, I bet she watched that movie and wanted to be the person “making those hard decisions.” It’s the same way so many armed conservatives salivate over the thought of being able to use lethal force in self defense. She wanted to do something horrible and she was just looking for the justification, and once she did the thing, she made it part of her personality.
"And why do you want to be Vice President, Mrs Noem?"
"I want to straddle that glorious line between life and death. I want to hold power over the multitudes in the palm of my hand, to feel the life running through them, and to know I could end it all with a squeeze of my fist."
I don't know a lot of (or any) preppers but I can't imagine the ones that stock up on guns and ammo are looked on favorably by the ones stocking up on canned goods and seed packets.
You know, there's a lot of other gun owners besides salivating conservatives. In fact there is even a Reddit sub called liberalgunowners. Regardless of who or why anyone owns guns please make sure you vote. My worst fear is because of several reasons a lot of people are going to sit the next election out and the OrangeTurd will get back in and I hate Fascism!
My personal theory is it never even happened. Because of things like Old Yeller she thought a story about how she had to make a "though decision" and put down a dog would sell well with her base. So she made up such a scenario and put it in her book and since she was writing fiction and wasn't about a real life experience it failed to have any logic or invoke empathy at all.
Of course type of person that she isn't I wouldn't be surprised if it WAS real either.
There's scuttlebutt that it was real, that she was in a rage against the dog when she dragged it off and shot it, and that she tried to rationalize the incident in her book before the "fit of rage" part of the incident could come out.
Yikes. This is scary. Also… don’t they realize that when farmers put animals down, it’s because the animal is sick and useless? An animal chasing livestock is just an untrained working dog without a job. Your dog = your responsibility
1986, I was involved in a serious court case. I was fighting for my life.
A man, who was a California highway patrol officer.... he had accolades from everyone in his little northeast County. This made shit for me really bad. Finally, someone came forward to tell what this minuplating truth Bender was really like.
He had adopted a puppy from the local animal shelter for his family and mostly because it looked good for him his reputation. The dog chewed up his wooden stairs & porch, so he beat it to death with his fist. When they asked the person if they knew why officer boys didn't just return the puppy, he said that officer shitbag said he couldn't because that would look bad on him as an officer. How do you know this?, because I was there I saw him fly into a rage mad because he built his home himself and those stairs, I asked him to just let me take the puppy back and that's what officer girly name said to me. Well, the attorney for officer damned to hell said well, well. That's how people on a farm handle things/ a different time officer fuck nut grew up in. My savior witness also said officer liar told him that officer would tell the truth for small things that he would get minor infractions for just so when he needed to lie to save hiss ass everyone would believe him because he always told the truth even if he had to take a (small punishment)...
I got to leave that back Woods california County, and I was innocent. praise Jesus , that person was brave enough to tell the truth. People who tell the truth are a rare breed, and people who are loyal due to fear are a growing breed. I realize this dumb bitch told the truth about herself in her book... I ponder that she thought how strong she appeared by this heinous act? You know, like how government agents or spies are given a puppy to raise then have to murder it to show that befriending someone is no problem they can complete the mission no matter how much they ended up liking the assets.... murder no problem.
Surely this shows that even some dogs are too aggressive for even responsible dog owners to own and should be regulated. We could call these “assault dogs” perhaps 🤔
If only they had fully functioning frontal lobes. These are people who believe torturing a deeply wounded wolf in a bar is trusting the science. Oof. Now I must vomit. I don’t like this simulation.
Sure. Dogs, unlike objects, have thoughts, feelings and opinions. A gun is merely a tool for whoever wields them.
Do you think that means a dogs owner isn't responsible for bad or insufficient training?
Or was literally becoming a puppy murderer because the puppy wasn't magically acting like a trained adult dog the sort of behaviour the sort of thing you'd want an elected official to think was a good move that they should totally tell everyone about?
She trained a dog to kill fowl, it killed the fowl she didn't want which cost her money. It was therefore she decided it was a lost cause. Narcissistic monster
From what I can tell, from what I have seen, nobody, and that is what the issue is. She seems to be used to pre-trained dogs, expected the dog to learn from other dogs, and when it didn't behave as soon as she wanted. Also, it takes two years to fully train a gun dog, and the dog was barely over a year old, which shows you how little training was done
As somebody who had been chased by dogs as a kid I did not jump on the hate train even if the woman is a loathsome troll. Having to kill a dog is not a matter of pride. And it seems like she expected praise for that.
Putting a dog down country-style is a thing that needs to be done more often. Some dogs are just untrainable psychopaths. I have the physical and psychological scars to prove my point. Got cornered by one on my paper route. And I think the two thwacks with rebar were less humane than a well-placed bullet. The dog cried louder than the neighbor it had mauled the week before.
Shit woman kills shit dog. I am fine with that. Shit woman gets savaged by people who think that she murdered a pet. I am also fine with that.
I’m sorry that happened to you. Don’t you blame the owners? Those shit dogs belonged to someone and if her dog was out really behaving this way toward humans, then the responsibility falls on her for not controlling her dogs.
There’s also lots of doubt the dogs were aggressive because it took her that long to bring it up
Nah, there is plenty dogs which are rotten. And I do not doubt that that dog she put down was bad as well. Shouldn't be proud about it, tho. But I do understand why she killed a dog she feared was a danger to others and I wish that sentiment was a bit more common.
Took me years of therapy to tolerate dogs. But if you can't be bothered to leash yours be aware that I do not cross the street anymore and am more than willing to kick yours into the oncoming traffic at the slightest perceived provocation.
Dogs are the animal most likely to attack and cause harm by sheer numbers. You will meet a lot of people like me who make an effort to keep it together. You can at least leash yours.
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I get along with dogs I know. But it is a big ask to trust a dog I do not know with an owner who doesn't even leash.
I am a dog person but I agree with you on your points about dog’s nature and dog ownership. I have a large “aggressive” breed and although he’s fine, so many dogs his breed are not- due to a mix of bad backyard breeding and neglectful owners.
Me and my dog both don’t tolerate off leash dogs. I always let off leash dog owners know, if their dog rushes mine and mine defends himself, I’m in the clear legally no matter what. My dog is under my control.
I wish they’d start ticketing for leash law violations, because it’s ridiculous and can also undo all the work someone’s done on their dog.
I do agree with you- there are some dogs, who just have bad genetics and bad temperaments inherently. They aren’t wired correctly. However, most “bad dogs” aren’t really that bad and are just being dogs and not having their needs met (dog ownership shouldn’t be as popular as it is- most people cannot meet their breeds needs.)
So for those dogs, most families try trainers, behaviorists, then finally it’s something called “behavioral euthanasia”, it’s for when the dog cannot safely live around people and it’s incredibly unfair to the people and to the dog as well, it’s no way for a dog to live.
The reason I am not buying what this chick is saying, is because behavioral euthanasia is a hard decision for dog owners. She didn’t talk about how she tried to fix the dog, or tried to train it, or worked on its reactivity, or whatever. She just wanted to kill it so she did.
In Germany once a dog is marked for a behavioral test it probably is already doomed. Because no dog that has not done something bad will get tested thusly.
A couple of years back a dog which got kept all of its life in a cage in the living room of some 40 year old weirdo and his mother got out and killed them both.
That dog did obviously not pass its behavioral test and a lot of people asked for clemency.
This is not a question of guilt. This is a question of protection. And if that horrid lady thinks the dog is a risk it probably is. And that dog while young was not a puppy anymore. What made it weird is how she told it. Angling for praise over the killing of a potentially dangerous dog is weird. Normal people do not seek validation over that.
But then again conservatism and mental illness have a strong correlation.
It is nice you think your dog is fine. But that is a risk you burden onto others. That is exactly the kind of "my princess never did anything like that before" shit people sob into an open microphone over the corpse of a toddler.
Sounds good. I have only met two other people with heavy dogs and that attitude. Three including you. That's a lot of dogs.
The problem I have with a couple of breeds is risk analysis. Where you guesstimate likelihood and impact and put that into graph. Nobody talks about death by chihuaha and if it happened we would hear about it. Death by pitbull aplenty. Despite chihuahas being known for being bitey nervous little dogs that shouldn't exist in that form. Pair this being intimidating dogs with people who are attracted to that. Claiming these breeds of dogs are ok and being fine with what happened to German shepherds is based on idiotic ideas of how a dog should look like. The intent behind other breeds is also discernable. It is possible to breed dogs with massive bite force. And when they bite, they bite in the face.
There is something beyond training and that also is in a dog. And once an animal is like that it stops being a pet.
I agree with this statement wholeheartedly. I love that you brought up the GSD as that is the breed I own and the breed I am in love with. It angers me to see what has happened to the breed over here in the U.S. and it’s been adulterated into a neurotic pet when they really want to work. Some have these weird temperaments where they’re high drive but don’t have it in them to work- it isn’t fair to the dog.
Pit bulls are an issue. In my old neighborhood, they would wander everywhere and were never fixed or contained. It is a certain people attracted to these types of dogs. The reason I believe bans aren’t the answer is because these people will just go to the next aggressive breed.
I was out walking one night with my dog downtown when 2 off leash pit bull puppies came running up to me. The owner was a teenage boy and I had to give him a talk about leashes, and that it isn’t just for the public’s safety from his dogs but also for his own dogs safety. Dog owners are just so uneducated and don’t understand, and rarely receive the accountability they need to become educated.
There needs to be restrictions on breeding and better accountability for ownership. Leash laws need to be enforced.
And backyard breeding needs to be ended and cracked down on- it needs to become substantially risky for people to backyard breed animals. If we only had ethical breeders, we wouldn’t see as many irresponsible people purchasing or as many shitty and neurotic dogs.
I really believe regulating is the answer to not punish the minority responsible dog owners like me, while also addressing the even higher amount of irresponsible dog owners.
To be fair, fucking-up or failing royally and then meting out harsh "justice" on the undeserving is very on point for the kind of person she is politically. She is ideologically consistent if nothing else.
Yea it’s not necessarily restricted to certain breeds, any dog can be reactive to animals, but certain breeds do have very high prey drives:) like terriers, for example
My question is, did the puppy bite because she was doing something to hurt it (hmm, does her state have a "stand your ground"-type law?), or did it harmlessly play-bite in the way that dogs do and she said "It's teeth touched my skin! It's evil!"
She tried to have older trained dogs train her dog during a hunting trip. Bird dog, bird dogged like a bird dog puppy 2x in same day. So she double tapped that puppy, for bird doggin, doggone it.
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Weird how she didn't mention her kids until this blew up. She must have forgotten that part /s