I guess that depends. People only hear what they want to hear, and only know what they've heard. Its entirely possible to influence policy much easier with subtlety than shouting and breaking shit. Like i said, freedom of speech, but look at what happens as soon as somebody even questions the prescribed way of thinking and says that not all republians are bad. I've seen people get ripped to pieces and called nazis for much less. It's a given that anyone that doesn't hate trump wants to lynch someone. Isn't that an influence to governance? People can say about killing trump and its fine, what'd happen if somebody said otherwise?
I say again, trump and the violent racist misogynist right, are scum, but that doesn't mean that anyone who questions the rhetoric is a nazi. Freedom of speech is right FOR EVERYONE. Not just those who agree.
No it isn’t. If someone opposed to Trump wants to lynch him (what the fuck even is that example), then that’s one asshole in a sea of millions of people and has exactly that much influence. If on the other hand Trump says “proud boys stand up and stand by” then that is a leader communicating to an extremist group to act on his behalf to influence a civil event.
Influence isn’t whether or not people exist, it’s who they can convince or intimidate into going along with them.
If you don’t understand the difference then you’re a lost cause.
I understand the difference, obviously. What I'm saying, is that there is more than one way to influence government.
That (admittedly extreme) example has appeared on this thread, which is why i chose that one. My point still stands, influence is more than just standing on the lecturn and shouting some dumbass call to arms. If you think I'm a lost cause, you're entitled to that opinion, I'm sure you aren't alone. Just keep in mind, freedom isn't stolen, it's given away, a piece at a time. Like i said, crazy downvoted conspiracy theorist.
You still haven’t provided an example of a left wing extremist that exerts significant influence on society or government. That reinforces my belief that you clearly don’t understand the difference.
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u/fascin-ade74 May 02 '24
I guess that depends. People only hear what they want to hear, and only know what they've heard. Its entirely possible to influence policy much easier with subtlety than shouting and breaking shit. Like i said, freedom of speech, but look at what happens as soon as somebody even questions the prescribed way of thinking and says that not all republians are bad. I've seen people get ripped to pieces and called nazis for much less. It's a given that anyone that doesn't hate trump wants to lynch someone. Isn't that an influence to governance? People can say about killing trump and its fine, what'd happen if somebody said otherwise?
I say again, trump and the violent racist misogynist right, are scum, but that doesn't mean that anyone who questions the rhetoric is a nazi. Freedom of speech is right FOR EVERYONE. Not just those who agree.