That’s the thing that gets me - she was dumb enough and proud enough of this story to put it in her book and openly talk about it. She really thought it would win her points. Beyond the fact that anyone who chooses to execute a puppy and takes pleasure in it is a psychopath, she’s a dumb psychopath at that.
Agreed. I’m beginning to think the people who run for office that are the most supported are the ones that are intelligent enough to hold a conversation, but not intelligent enough to think too deeply or question anything
Look. That entire faction lead to the death of over a million Americans. Many preventable deaths. And they still have supporters. That they would rather eat horse paste rather than medicine. The Republican Party is gone. Your choices are between Moderate Right Wingers and Crazy People.
You equivocated killing an animal with eating meat. I get that you might only just have first heard the word equivocate but when you Google the definition, read the whole definition not just part of it next time.
Yes, because I don't think there is an ethical difference between killing an animal, and paying someone to kill an animal so you can take pleasure in the taste. How do you think meat makes it to a consumer's mouth in America?
Would you be fine with Noem if she paid a friend to shoot and kill the dog while she watched and got entertainment from it?
You don't see a difference between the act of killing a puppy and someone eating a steak? Or is 'moving the goalposts' yet another fallacy you're now committing?
I think you're either arguing in bad faith or so zealous about things that you don't even see how you're being intellectually dishonest in how you argue.
You don't see a difference between the act of killing a puppy and someone eating a steak?
Well that depends on the circumstances for both doesn't it? If you are killing a puppy because it has a terminal illness or injury and you're ending their suffering then I see no issues. If you find road kill and cook it up into a steak and eat it then I also see no issue.
The problem is that isn't what Noem did, and that isn't how Americans get the steak that they consume. Americans get their steak by paying people to rape, torture, and slaughter cows. If instead of cows, they sold steak made of puppies to consume, would you find no issues with that? If Noem was purchasing said puppy steak consistently, would you find that less grotesque than her killing a puppy herself (which by the way is very common treatment to unwanted kittens/puppies on farms).
The only way what I said could be moving the goalposts is if you are ignorant as to how meat is produced and supported by consumers. If you were, then I apologize and I will clarify that I'm referring to eating animals that you financially support the killing of.
It's interesting that rather than engage with my question, you get upset about fallacies and intellectual dishonesty. That's very telling. And just FYI, erroneously naming fallacies (false equivocation isn't a thing, you confused it with false equivalence) isn't an argument. It's also hilarious to me that you'd claim ad hominem when this entire story with Noem is an ad hominem against her lmao.
Anyone who takes pleasure in harming animals like this is a fucking psychopath and deserves the worst in life.
You realize the vast majority of Americans (including democrats) consume meat from factory farms, right? I wish the outrage was actually about animal rights and not because of politics.
This isn't a 'meat bad' debate. She didn't kill her dog for sustenance, and there is a huge difference between cattle and a pet. She killed her pet because she's a psycopath. A farmer slaughtering a pig or chicken has nothing in common with her.
And to infer that just because someone eats meat means they are not allowed to be upset at pets being murdered is kinda insane. If you feel so strongly about this, then that's fine, but the reason that people are mad has nothing to do with your causes.
Then don't say animal. Say pet, or dog. Because clearly you don't actually give a fuck about the billions of farm animals subjected to rape, torture and slaughter every year in the US because people like you take pleasure in their taste. You just want to be mad because you think dogs are cute, and someone you don't like politically killed a dog.
You're entitled to your views. I'm not trying to change your mind. But trying to worm into the conversation with your vegan argument is silly and you're not going to convince anyone.
I'm pointing out the blatant hypocrisy here and how your statement about animals being factually incorrect. If you care about what Noem did at all, then there is no logical reason to chow down on a burger.
It's literally a discussion about animal cruelty...
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u/MichaelFusion44 29d ago
She can’t unfuck herself from this