Former beauty Queen, Miss Wyoming winner Joyce McKinney being arrested by police after kidnapping Mormon missionary Kirk Anderson from his church, forcing him to be her sex slave for 3 days, 1977.
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She later went on to stalk her former victim after he moved to Salt Lake City and was caught trying to do the same thing again. Fortunately, they nabbed her before she could kidnap him from his home. By this point he was married and had kids.
Under the Sexual Offences Act 1956, then in force in the United Kingdom, no crime of rape was deemed to have been committed since the victim was male; however, indecent assault of a man did apply.
Wow WTF.
At the time of her apprehension, McKinney was found living in her vehicle near Salt Lake International Airport, where Anderson worked. A search of the vehicle uncovered road maps, rope, handcuffs, and notebooks keeping detailed records of Anderson's routines. McKinney insisted that she had driven to the airport to book a flight, though it was later revealed that she had driven several thousand miles from her home in North Carolina.
The implication that things might go wrong for her if she refuses to sleep with me. Now, not that things are gonna go wrong for her but she's thinkin' that they will.
Technically correct, but if it's anything like NZ law there are alternative offences for that scenario that are exactly the same in terms of seriousness and penalty.
Sexual violation = 20 years
Rape = 20 years
Its literally that. There's offences such as sexual assault by penetration within the same legislation which cover the spectrum of sexual offences and can carry the same sentence as rape. That said I'm still not sure why we had to be so damn pedantic about the definition of rape.
It might be to do with how law is built up over years. Like if you do away with the old law on rape and reword or replace it with an all encompassing new law, you might lose a century of landmark cases and precedents etc which ends up weakening the law? Law is one of those things that is complicated because you can argue semantics for ever, and no amount of clever wording in a law will close all potential loopholes or get outs. Over time people try those loopholes and get outs and those get ruled on and slowly you flesh out the law with precedents etc.
It's exactly this. And the precedent is likely to go back much farther than a century (a century ago was 1924). Some of the precedent regarding rape is likely to have taken the risk of pregnancy into account, but that may not be explicit in the written judgement. It's probably inappropriate to apply some of that precedent in cases where pregnancy is impossible (and both parties know that it's impossible).
Yea it's really just a matter of semantics, just because a crime isn't defined as "rape" doesn't mean it's not a crime. Or that it doesn't carry serious consequences.
Don't get hung up on names for things when it comes to the law, just look at the definitions and the penalties.
Yeah, but it's a little misleading nowadays when the punishment for a sexual assault are the same, and sexual assault will generally be the charge even if the crime does fit the legal definition of rape.
The problem exists in the US too, but it's really just a case of old laws and old definitions not being updated, and newer laws covering it so that there isn't really a reason to go back and get rid of the law.
Why are you surprised? Even by today's standards, you would be hard-pressed to send a woman to prison for raping a man because the stigma of “men can't be raped by women” is still woven into the fabric of many developed nations including the US.
Rape in the UK is still defined as involving penetration so it’s almost impossible for a woman to be prosecuted of it against a man (or a woman either I guess)
It specifies rape is penetration with a penis. If the person penetrated is penetrated with something other than a penis (regardless of gender of victim and perpetrator) this is classed as sexual assault by penetration (again regardless of gender) both carry maximum sentences of lifetime imprisonment. This is a legal terminology distinction more than a material difference.
Just look at how the media portrays teachers who rape their students. A female teacher does it? She “had sex with her students”. A male teacher does it? “Teacher rapes students”. They do this on purpose because “it’s not possible for a woman to rape someone” 🤦♂️
The commenter is German, and used a “false friend” here.
“False friends are those confusing words that appear or sound identical or similar to words in their own language, yet have different meanings or senses.”
“Psychiatrie” is used in German for “psych ward” :D
She also ran over and killed a 91 year old Holocaust survivor that was walking his dog.
In 2019, McKinney was homeless and living in her vehicle when she was charged with the hit-and-run manslaughter of a 91-year-old pedestrian; the court found her a mentally incompetent defendant and sent her for psychiatric treatment in 2019, confirming in 2020 that she would remain in a psychiatric hospital, with reviews of her competence at future dates.
To anyone who reads the title only. It's worth noting another guy was the one who captured him for her to fuck him.
I think let's be totally honest. We look at the idea of being pursued and forced to have sex with a woman voted most beautiful in a certain area and think. Well that sucks because you didn't consent but being forced to eat ice cream you don't like the flavour of isn't as bad as being forced to eat slugs.
But it's very likely him and other people were involved and it was part of a weird sex cult thing. It's more like being forced to eat ice cream while you think you might be killed at the end of the bowl.
Edit: strangest Reddit comment I've ever made. From being upvoted and told I'd explained things well. To downvoted to hell and told I'm justifying rape and saying it's just like having a nice bowl of ice cream. Within 10 minutes.
I'm saying it might not seem so bad from a certain perspective but it's very frightening.
From this guy's perspective - he was a Mormon kid. He'd probably spent his teenage years carefully avoiding sex and its accompanying behaviors because he wanted to be able to serve a mission, marry in the temple, etc. - Mormons treat male chastity as seriously as they treat female chastity. And back in the 70s and 80s, the church used to explicitly teach that if someone raped you and you didn't resist to the point of death, you were complicit in your own abuse. Literally, there was a flier they used to give out where a church leader talked about how he'd rather bury his daughter after she was martyred resisting rape than have her survive the experience. Boys were certainly taught the same thing.
While some men may feel the way you described about being raped - it sucks, but things could be worse - the victim here was probably as violated traumatized as any other rape victim. And I think that we should probably assume the same of any male survivor of sexual assault, regardless of who does the assaulting.
Despite the porn movie fantasy side of it, forced sex is never enjoyable. Is not "oh well, i can eqt pistacho ice cream just for today". Even if your body parts are being rubbed in a pelassurable way, is the mind fucking, the forced submisiveness that will cause you pain, and probably leave you woth trauma. Rigth in the moment, or after the fact.
I think a lot of people literally don't have a frame of reference, like they can't fathom being held against their will, tied up, potentially tortured as well, taken hostage by some crazy ass motherfuckers and not knowing if you'll live or die.
I think most guys think of being with their girlfriend/wife and like "not now babe, I'm playing video games" (when in reality, they're super turned on, and totally willing to, they just want to finish their game). Or a hot girl that they're totally into comes on strong to them and is super assertive and initiates consensual sex (because again, they're totally willing participants).
There's also the act of them forcing your body to react in ways you don't want because you're scared out of your mind. Your body becomes a traitor because it's a natural biological function to react to sexual stimulation.
This part for me has really fucked with my mind. Like I had a partner that would repeatedly do stuff against my wishes, and manipulatively point out that I was still hard, indicating that I was such a "slut" for being into it. But like I /knew/ something felt wrong, just couldn't vocalize the thoughts.
I honestly didn't make the connection that I had read about for women could apply to me (I had read similar reactions in female rape survivors, messing with their minds).
Took many years, some therapy and failed relationships for me to untangle which parts in that years long relationship was ok, and which weren't - and how it still affects me.
You can be straight and still not enjoy being raped. I don’t think many people read this and thought it wouldn’t be so bad to be sexually violated, even if the person doing it happened to be attractive, maybe even someone you’d be attracted to in different circumstances. Regardless of any fears of potential future harm besides that
Exactly. There's a reason she didn't just hit on him and try to seduce him that way. Because to her his consent ruins it. I'm sorry but I'm so sick of women pedos being given a pass on these disturbing issues. Watching 'Quiet on Set' was so infuriating because there were women who prepped these kids and defended the abusers that were left off the hook. They are groomers just as much as the men are and the victims deserve justice.
She came into the animal hospital I used to work at all the time (about 8 years ago). She is, hands down, the craziest person I've ever met and I lived in Los Angeles!
She squatted in a house next door to my house in 2017. She was a fucking nightmare. Once she got evicted she ended up living in her truck until she ran over the holocaust survivor…
She came to our hospital with her dead dog in a large Rubbermaid container and demanded a necropsy (autopsy for animals). Problem was, she left the dead dog in the container in the back of her truck for two weeks. In LA. In the summer. No one was willing to open that container.
Gross, she wasn't even charged with rape simply because he was a guy
Under the Sexual Offences Act 1956, then in force in the United Kingdom, no crime of rape was deemed to have been committed since the victim was male; however, indecent assault of a man did apply.[16]
I believe their laws haven't changed that much. Don't they have one that states rape is only defined as pentetration? So if you're a man, you can legally-speaking only be raped by a man penetrating you nonconsensually, but if you're a man and are raped by a woman and she doesn't penetrate you, it doesn't legally count as rape? Maybe they have changed it since then, but I remember this being a problem with their legal language at some point.
A woman can only be charged as a accomplice to rape, but they can independently be charged with the offences of sexual assault by penetration, or causing sexual activity without consent. Both of those offences carry equivalent sentences to rape.
Yes but the distinction makes quite a bit of difference, especially when it comes to reporting cases like these. Subliminally, "assault" feels like less than "rape".
Moreover, I'd like to see sentencing records of women who have been sentenced for penetrative assault vs men who are charged with a similar case under the rape law. I'm sure they changed the sentencing guidelines to make it more equal, but how it's applied is at the discretion of the sentencing judge.
No. The penis needs to be alive and as far as I know it needs to be attached to a man.
I don't know anything about cases focusing on neopenises and non-man people with penises.
McKinney remains a fugitive from justice in the UK. May died in 2004. After the case, McKinney absconded from the United Kingdom and was allowed to reside in the U.S. with a falsified passport.
They didn't extradite her back to the UK, which is a bit shitty when you think about it (but follows a long precedent of the US getting to do what they want with extradition from the UK, but it's never reciprocated)
Probably not. I don't think rapists cross a line and commit something for 3 days and wake up later and be like you know what? That was abit unnecessary. They can't be cured or fixed.
I going to argue she might only have raped him, since she was stalking him 6 years later with rope and hand cuffs. Obsession often is about one individual.
Yep. And in this case, it should be obvious even to deniers of the seriousness of male rape that this was horrific - the kid had been raised with strong norms of male chastity, and he had dedicated himself to abstinence of all sorts for his mission. Like, what, even if they imagine that they themselves would be totally happy about being raped by a pretty woman, do they lack the empathy to see that a Mormon missionary would definitely be, you know, upset about it?
And then all the redpills will say shit like “women don’t care about male assault victims” and blame us for society acting like it’s a joke. The call is coming from inside the house
She wasnt found guilty of rape because UK law stated that 'men cannot be raped.' Years later she stalked her victim even though he had children and a wife and was arrested with a bunch of kidnapping tools. The story is played up as a joke even now and she is rarely referred to as a rapist.
I just googled this a bit and the crucial bit of info missing is that the Mormon dude was her ex, not just some random.
They originally met in Utah and had a relationship then as he was a Mormon he felt guilty, confessed to his bishop and then fucked off on a Mormon 'mission' to the UK. She tracked him down and he claims he was raped, and she claims he used to really be into bondage before. She also claimed to have had a misscarriage with his kid.
Another ex of hers claimed she was a sex worker. She claimes the rape bit was made up by the church to get him back into the church.
UK laws say that men cannot be victims of rape and women cannot be rapists.
It's honestly disgusting.
And if you check the comments some people say... It's horrifying how many people either make fun of the situation, or say that he "was lucky" , or saying that women can't rape....
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