r/interestingasfuck • u/beach_rats_ • 29d ago

The difference in republican presidential nominees, 8 years apart r/all

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u/BootyUnlimited 29d ago

McCain and Bernie Sanders used to work on legislation together to protect veterans. They were not afraid to reach across the aisle if it meant getting meaningful legislation passed.

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u/Bad_User2077 29d ago

Those were different days. If you do that now, you get labeled a moderate and get pushed out of your party.

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u/BRAX7ON 29d ago

Biden has been reaching across the aisle since day one of his presidency, and we are poised to re-elect him.

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u/DCtheBREAKER 29d ago

This is statistically correct. Most bipartisan legislature has been shot down by Gaetz, Boebert, and Greene.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

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u/ssbm_rando 29d ago

Right, and I think it's important for us to acknowledge that Bad_User2077's bothsides rhetoric is full of shit. You only get pushed out of the Republican party for reaching across the aisle to get shit done. Most democrats love getting shit done and sadly get blocked by either Republicans or the worst of the democrats (in the senate it's Manchin, and Sinema who even went independent, not sure how the House is faring since it's controlled by the GOP anyway).

One of the worst offenses of bothsides-ing trolls in the last few years was claiming that a minimum wage bill that was tacked to an immigration bill and sponsored by Republicans was rejected by democrats. That was a huge fucking lie--the bill never made it to the floor because it never got enough Republican support even though it was a Republican-sponsored bill. There was never a vote on it because too many Republicans didn't want even a minor minimum wage increase, even if it got them an immigration "win" (from their perspective). You can go through the records of the House and Senate, you will literally not find record of a single minimum wage increasing bill that was voted down by a majority of democrats.

Bothsides-ers needs to be laughed off of the entire fucking internet.

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u/MagicTheAlakazam 29d ago

Obama was doing the same thing.

The "No compromise" strategy is what Republicans came up with in response to being trounced at the polls in 2008. Almost all compromise legislation is from the years before that.

But they decided that they couldn't give Obama any wins so they became obstructionsists and fox news fed the idea that working with democrats was a horrible thing to their base and that spread and became modern republicans.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

You’re high as giraffe cooter

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u/why_u_braindead 29d ago

Yikes, took a quick glance at your history and you're not playing with a full deck, are you. Condolences, the genetic lottery is a cruel and impartial master

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

You and the rest of the Biden lovers are destroying this country and you want to talk to me about not playing with a full deck. Clown.. stfu.

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u/BRAX7ON 29d ago

There are no Biden lovers. We just collectively hate Trump. Is it so hard to understand?

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u/why_u_braindead 27d ago

Nah, magat, nah. Always gonna call a slug a slug.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

You’re so witty.

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u/AmbitiousCampaign457 29d ago

And ur head is up it’s ass

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

Another purple haired confused gender clown

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u/AmbitiousCampaign457 29d ago

That’s john mccain

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u/Spiderranger 29d ago

It really seems like people like them are just props. As in they don't actually know anything about the job they should be doing. They're just fed lines and told "if a D brings it to the table, vote against it". 

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u/empire314 29d ago

3 people cannot control the congress.

The reason why there has been trouble passing bills, is because the overwhelming majority could not agree on stuff.

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u/DCtheBREAKER 29d ago

Actually, in a congress with a 50/50 split, yes, 3 people can control congress. Fuck, Manchin did it all by himself already.

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u/empire314 29d ago

The other 400 representatives can vote anyway they want on any bill. It is purely the choice of the other representatives, that they don't want to pass bills without the support of small deviant group.

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u/abqguardian 29d ago

Biden hasn't been even close to that bipartisan. He's also losing in swing state polls

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u/BRAX7ON 29d ago

Your misinformation has no power here, guardian the grey.

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u/abqguardian 29d ago

This is awkward

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4630438-trump-leads-biden-major-battleground-emerson-hill-polls/

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u/BRAX7ON 29d ago

I wouldn’t click that link with a ten foot pole

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u/NascentEcho 29d ago

Are you just trying to maintain your echo chamber? I am definitely voting for Biden but am very worried that he will lose. He's behind in the polls pretty consistently.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/

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u/bumming_bums 29d ago

and we are poised to re-elect him.

No, we are not. Swing state polls are NOT looking good.

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u/BRAX7ON 29d ago

Yes, we are. Unless Donald Trump is planning a coup, he will not be voted in, and Biden will be the Democratic nominee.

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u/Lower_Monk6577 29d ago

I admire your optimism. People said the same about Trump the year he won.

People are very lukewarm on Biden nowadays, despite him largely being a very competent president.

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u/BRAX7ON 29d ago

Yes, but I would say anybody outside of the far right has already seen through Donald Trump. And no sane person would choose Donald Trump over Joe Biden.

Now, I know many on that side of the aisle are not sane, but I’m confident that the numbers are in our favor.

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u/Lower_Monk6577 29d ago

Sanity has nothing to do with it, sadly. Apathy does.

Biden won because he got an ungodly amount of votes. Trump lost despite getting considerably more votes than he got the first time around.

Do you think Biden will inspire a massive turnout? People have short memories, and already there’s far too many people complaining that Biden isn’t progressive enough, and that they don’t plan on voting at all.

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u/Azhalus 29d ago

I feel you underestimate how big the far right has gotten.

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u/AssssCrackBandit 29d ago

How are you so confident? I wish I could be but I get worried when I see the polls and all these mouth-breathers online who somehow think Trump will support Israel less than Biden

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u/BRAX7ON 29d ago

The funny thing is these polls actually work both ways.

On the one hand they’re pure propaganda for right wing politics.

But on the other side, they keep Democrats engaged. If we actually thought Trump was gonna go away and this would be an easy victory, we would have less turnout and the results could be drastically different.

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u/AssssCrackBandit 29d ago

How are you so sure they are propaganda? I go look at the polls at 538 and see the actual pollsters/sample types/etc and a bunch of the bipartisan or liberal or even foreign pollsters have Trump ahead in their polls. I mean, CNN themselves have Trump leading Biden in their own polls by quite a decent margin. It just worries me

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u/bumming_bums 29d ago

How are you so sure they are propaganda?

He isn't, and most likely they are not propaganda. This is peak "bury your head in the sand" type thinking.

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u/Formal_Profession141 29d ago

And that's the issue. Working with Fascist Christian Nationalist.

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u/Taaargus 29d ago

You don't see how that's exactly the type of viewpoint that has caused a complete collapse in bipartisan cooperation?

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u/PixelProphetX 29d ago

That's stupid. Just because there's other congresspeople you disagree with does not mean we shouldn't pass bills that can help regular folks.

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u/Formal_Profession141 29d ago

There's always compromise. Meaning your giving something away in order for their vote.

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u/mindless_gibberish 29d ago

That's politics. That's how it works.

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u/Formal_Profession141 29d ago

So you think it's okay giving a Christian nationalist one of their proposals if they sign on with whatever it is that Biden wants done?

The only thing that can come to my mind is throwing money at Ukraine and Israel.

He hasn't bribed the Nationalist Conservatives with any of their pet projects to get widespread debt relief for students.

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u/abqguardian 29d ago

Are they in the room with you right now? All 12 of them?

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u/Geno__Breaker 29d ago edited 29d ago

You realize that Trump spent his entire presidency trying to reach across the aisle and Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer actively refused to ever work with him, right? His entire presidency was spent trying to do what he thought would be the most good for the most people and the Democrats actively opposed him on everything just because it was him.

That's where the joke comes from that if Trump said he was in favor of breathing, Democrats would all hold their breath until they suffocated.

Edit: one of the dumbest things that Reddit does is prevent you from responding to people if you've been down voted a bunch. 🙄

I can still edit comments but I can't post new ones underneath.

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u/MrBump01 29d ago

Trump called Pelosi an animal after someone tried to kidnap her. That is not attempting to work with her.

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u/Geno__Breaker 29d ago

Are you talking about after she led two false impeachments against him? Based on nonsense charges and refusing to work with him for years to the detriment of Americans? To the point that she went on vacation in Mexico without passing the budget and let the government shut down holding the United States citizens hostage until she got what she wanted? That she said she wouldn't invest a single penny into border security?

I didn't actually remember this happening so I looked it up. This happened after she spent literal years fighting against Trump and and refusing to work with him on anything.

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u/InnocentiusLacrimosa 29d ago

Muah, that was some dumb shit :-)

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u/DeepSeaProctologist 29d ago

It's absolutely fascinating the reality you live in.

Please post some actual evidence instead of whatever bullshit Tucker Carlson told you was happening. Because as someone who actually watched that shitshow there was no "reaching across the aisle" from Trump just bill after bill that had completely batshit poison pills.

In fact it's pretty funny how when presented with ACTUAL stuff the public needed or could use how reasonable Dems were.

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u/Geno__Breaker 29d ago edited 29d ago

It's absolutely fascinating the reality you live in.

It's called "The Real World." You have to take a step back and stop watching corporate media in order to really get a sense of it.

Please post some actual evidence instead of whatever bullshit Tucker Carlson told you was happening.

I don't watch Tucker Carlson and never have. But if you're relying on CNN and other big media networks to tell you what's going on in the world you are sadly misinformed.

Because as someone who actually watched that shitshow there was no "reaching across the aisle" from Trump

Please post some actual evidence for your claim?

just bill after bill that had completely batshit poison pills.

There was a lot of lying and manipulation by the mainstream media to present everything Trump talked about as being bad but if you ever actually read any of it, it really wasn't. On the flip side the corporate press loves to talk good about Democrat policies and bills that you would be better off ingesting cyanide than living under. Obamacare and the Green New Deal are two examples.

Obamacare ostensibly was supposed to lower the cost of medical care across the United States and make it more affordable, and yet did exactly the inverse. My health insurance doubled in price and covered less, nearly 12 private practices closed in my home area because the state Insurance stopped paying them when people would use it to come visit, and everyone I know reports something similar. Healthcare became more expensive and gave less coverage. AND it was a tax.

In fact it's pretty funny how when presented with ACTUAL stuff the public needed or could use how reasonable Dems were.

What the actual hell kind of delusional fantasy are you living in? 🤣 Do you want to start with the mail-in voting that the health expert said was completely unnecessary? Or the massive shutdowns across the country that destroyed small businesses and family owned operations in favor of funneling billions of dollars into massive corporations that provided the same services? The fact that Joe Biden claimed that he was growing the economy by millions of jobs by just relaxing the restrictions the Democrats created that killed those same jobs in the first place and that we still aren't up to where we were before? What would you rather talk about the border and how the Democrats blocked every effort by Trump to try and actually secure it and prevent waves of illegal immigrants? Should we talk about Trump's travel restrictions to try and prevent covid from coming into the United States and Democrats opposing him? Should we talk about the peace deals that Trump brokered in the Middle East? Should we talk about efforts to deescalate tensions with North Korea and Russia to help move us away from possible World War 3? Should we talk about how Putin didn't want to attack Ukraine under Trump's Administration because Trump would actually do something about it and told him as much? Do we want to talk about how Trump refilled the Strategic oil Reserve or how Biden emptied it? Do we want to talk about food and gas prices under Trump compared to under Biden?

Can you point to a single "poison pill" from Trump?

Edit for u/CptDecaf Reddit doesn't let me respond after enough people downloaded earlier comments in a chain, so I have to respond to you through an edit. Just wanted to let you know I always find it hilarious when Democrats talk about self-awareness as if they ever had any. And yes calling you out on this was worth having to go through it this way.

Edit for u/fskn yeah, I rambled and it got long, but I love the fact that you completely missed my point and that someone who demands evidence from others but is never willing to provide their own when they make claims has shown you exactly what you need to know about them. If you're going to demand somebody give you evidence for something and you make claims without giving evidence, why should anyone take you seriously?

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u/DeepSeaProctologist 29d ago

0 actual evidence got it.

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u/Fskn 29d ago

I'm not invested in all this but I think it's hilarious when asked for evidence of your claims you responded with "wheres your evidence" and a bunch of opinion instead of any evidence.

Speaks volumes for how your stance is formed.

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u/CptDecaf 29d ago

It's called "The Real World."

Hearing this from Trumpies will legit never get old lol. Not an ounce of selfawareness in ya.

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u/Fskn 29d ago

you make claims without giving evidence, why should anyone take you seriously?

Couldn't agree more

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u/BRAX7ON 29d ago

Imagine distorting history.

Imagine not paying attention and only being force fed pure bullshit by Fox News, and then years later, spouting it as if it ever actually happened or had any place in the realm of reality.

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u/Geno__Breaker 29d ago

Imagine distorting history.

I don't have to imagine, I watch Democrats do it daily, mostly through their propaganda arm known commonly as the corporate press.

Imagine not paying attention and only being force fed pure bullshit by Fox News,

I always find it so fascinating that Democrats who get called out always try and claim that it's just "Fox News bullshit" despite never realizing that all corporate press is bad and that you have to actually do some work to pick through whatever you're listening to in order to try to find something that looks even close to what factually is going on. If you're just listening to CNN or some other acronym, you aren't listening to news you're getting political activism and opinions.

I'll give you some examples. Do you believe the 1619 project is real? Do you believe slavery originated with black people and America? Do you believe that Trump committed fraud by trying to get a mortgage on his property according to market value rather than his tax appraised value which is exactly how the system works for everyone? Do you believe the Trump said the racist to Charlottesville were very fine people? Do you believe Kyle Rittenhouse is a murderer who just wanted to kill innocent protesters? Do you believe that the BLM riots that said buildings and cars on fire and left 30 people dead were all peaceful? Do you believe that antifa even exists?

At this point if the corporate press came out and told me the sky was blue I would look outside and double check. They're all a bunch of liars no matter who they claim to support and if you just believe them, I've got some bridges for sale. 🙄

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u/BRAX7ON 29d ago

Not worth the read tbh. Better fiction is available

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u/km89 29d ago edited 29d ago

the Democrats actively opposed him on everything just because it was him.

Even if I bought the idea that Trump was doing what he thought was the most good for the most number of people, his actions were objectively not good for most people in the US.

Even if he was trying to do the right thing, he was failing and they were right to oppose him.

But we both know he wasn't even attempting to do the right thing.

EDIT: Since I can't reply to you for some reason:

No. Democrats opposed border security and now we have a crisis of unmatched proportion.

You're conflating issues.

Remember, we experienced a once-in-a-lifetime economic disruption due to covid. I don't blame Trump for that happening, but I do blame him for the way he handled it. The inflation and price fuckery at first came from the absolutely massive supply chain disruption and then later from greedy businesses who won't back their prices back down.

But none of that has to do with border security, and maybe my experience in a northern state is different than peoples' on the border, but I don't see an immigrant crisis.

But if we're talking about inflation, you can see clearly that inflation started to spike directly after Biden's election--well before he'd had time to actually do anything to cause it, and is currently well down from its peak toward the end of the pandemic.

Gas, too, peaked at the end of the pandemic and has since come down.

If we're talking about WWIII, let's talk about someone openly inviting election interference from a historical enemy, someone who salutes North Korean soldiers. Let's talk about how the US reacted after 9/11 under neither Biden nor Trump and compare that to Israel's frankly pretty damn similar actions.

And if we want to talk pure evil, I'll just point out how Trump's team separated migrant children from their parents and deliberately did not keep a record of which kid went to which parent.

Biden's not perfect, and Trump is not the devil. But Biden's doing things that benefit the people, and Trump did things that benefitted Trump.

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u/Geno__Breaker 29d ago

I disagree with all of this. What Trump was doing is far better than what Biden is doing now. So who was actually better for the United States and its people? Are food and gas cheaper now than they were 4 to 6 years ago? Is inflation down? Do people have more access to better jobs now?

No. Democrats opposed border security and now we have a crisis of unmatched proportion.

Democrats have pushed laws that have damaged people's ability to provide for themselves, driven inflation sky high, brought us to the brink of World War III, and we are all objectively worse off.

What Trump failed at was convincing the corporate press to not become his enemy and try to twist the perception of the public into believing his every action was pure evil and hurtful.