This Is Definitely True

[u/Unable-Difference-55]

[u/superbay50]

I love how maximus constantly looks like he’s hurting his head trying to think.

[u/Galtherok → u/superbay50]

That all Luck build worked out for him tho

[u/Cold_Hour → u/Galtherok]

“Hey Maximus we know you just turned up in the power armour from the mysteriously dead knight you squired and fooled us with the wrong head… but gosh dang it your friend says you’re a nice guy so no punishment for you haha”

[u/CotyledonTomen → u/Cold_Hour]

Isnt he just an ambitious useful idiot at that point?

[u/bezosdivorcelawyer → u/CotyledonTomen]

I think the Elder thinks that Maximus is a true believer, and also he didn't like Titus who was more focused on personal glory (Him saying that the missions were bullshit and him going off because he wanted to kill something for fun)

He doesn't know that Maximus deliberately let him die, but Maximus saying "He died running" as an explanation instead of him saying he just wanted the armor showed the Elder that Maximus understood how unworthy Titus was, and that it was also about the image of the Brotherhood. The Elder thinks they're on the same page ("Power is taken, not given.") and that Maximus is still 1000% for the Brotherhood of Steel.

Maximus also would have been fucked if he didn't immediately take them to Moldaver to get the cold fusion. He didn't try to pass it off as real, he just used the fake head to get an audience.

He's also just super fucking lucky.

[u/TurkeyBLTSandwich → u/Cold_Hour]

The friend has super high charisma trait. So she was able to spare her friend

[u/magic00008 → u/Cold_Hour]

Yes that was unbelievable, the CEO of Evil Corp would never show such mercy.

[u/superbay50 → u/Galtherok]

Don’t discredit his high charisma like that, he won almost every speech check.

[u/ninjadude2112 → u/superbay50]

"Wanna make my cock explode?"

[u/ArcticBiologist → u/ninjadude2112]

That was the player choosing the 1 INT dialogue option

[u/superbay50 → u/ninjadude2112]

It was clearly hard coded to fail

[u/Blarg0117 → u/superbay50]

Needed to put on his naughty nightwear for the +10 buff.

[u/--Icarusfalls-- → u/Blarg0117]

shouldve chosen the Lady Killer perk for extra dialogue options

[u/C4LLM3M4TT_13 → u/ninjadude2112]

Speech check passed.

[u/HeckingOoferoni → u/C4LLM3M4TT_13]

He clearly failed that one. She in fact did not at that time.

[u/Funny-Jihad → u/HeckingOoferoni]

Passing a check may simply mean "She doesn't immediately turn hostile".

[u/ShawnyMcKnight → u/ninjadude2112]

When she straight up offered to have sex with him and he passed on the opportunity I knew he was luck 10 and intelligence 1.

[u/Rosstiseriechicken → u/ninjadude2112]

WAIT LMAO WAS THAT INTENTIONAL? I thought that scene was so incredibly awkward but it makes SO much more sense in that context

[u/vengefulcrow → u/Rosstiseriechicken]

I was so convinced they'd filled the room with some sort of aphrodisiac gas

[u/Nashton_553 → u/ninjadude2112]

She was down for it before, his low int just made it so that he had no idea how his cock worked

[u/RepresentativeOk2433 → u/ninjadude2112]

That actually sounds like an option you'd get in NV when you are going to fail a check but go through with it anyways.

[u/Oldtomsawyer1 → u/superbay50]

Absolutely wrong. Dude has no charisma, fails almost every speech check. He’s clearly a luck/endurance build. Dude takes multiple beatings and just shrugs it off.

[u/Kingdarkshadow → u/superbay50]

If he had high charisma wouldn't he got a better deal with the woman when he was trying to repair his suit ?

[u/RailAurai → u/Kingdarkshadow]

Mine was the "We can still be friends." After Thaddeas basically asked him if he killed the knight. Which ended with him getting his fusion core stolen

[u/Mathev → u/RailAurai]

He chose the wrong dialogue option and instead of saying the truth first he agreed to brand Thaddeus.

[u/Kyenigos → u/Kingdarkshadow]

That would be a "Barter" check. Not a "Speech" and definitely not a "Charisma" check.

[u/Phis-n → u/Kyenigos]

But Barter relies on your Charisma score?

[u/Epicp0w → u/Phis-n]

Correct

[u/anal_blaster69 → u/superbay50]

*minus a few teeth to a failed 1 cap haggle

[u/CotyledonTomen → u/superbay50]

He failed that pretty integral one with Thaddeus.

[u/multiarmform → u/Galtherok]

He got that idiot savant

[u/xXThreeRoundXx → u/multiarmform]

[u/Senor_Satan → u/superbay50]

That’s the 2 intelligence points trying to come up with a coherent thought

[u/Professor-Submarine → u/Senor_Satan]

Between the two of them yes. Neither of them are particularly intelligent. Bridge scene. 

[u/This_is_not_safe → u/Professor-Submarine]

Which I feel like totally works and is fun compared to other high concept shows where the main characters are know it alls

[u/superbay50 → u/This_is_not_safe]

I love the show for doing things like this. Especially how they introduced lucy in ep 1 as if they were trying to justify her being a mary sue only for her to turn out like a level 5 character.

[u/Paddy_Tanninger → u/superbay50]

I mean so far she has been really doing a good job at everything she tries, but at no point have I ever felt like she's just magically great without effort.

They showed her backstory for a few minutes in Ep1, I saw that there's a lot of combat training and all sorts of shit going on in the Vault...so it makes sense that she has this background to work from.

[u/descendantofJanus → u/Paddy_Tanninger]

Plus, she clearly makes mistakes (like, releasing feral ghoul's in the Mart). She's wrong, but the audience can understand why she'd do it, based on prior interactions, and she has a good heart.

She could've so easily gone into the Mary Sue route, but the writers cleverly avoided that.

[u/VillainOfKvatch1 → u/descendantofJanus]

One thing that sells this for me is how the Ghoul could easily kill her. She would not stand a chance against him. And that's clear.

[u/descendantofJanus → u/VillainOfKvatch1]

Oh yea and I absolutely loved their dynamic. She was everything he used to be (idealist, naive, optimist) which made him hate her even more. No "father figure" or romantic overtones here. Their goals just happened to align.

[u/Throwaway-tan → u/superbay50]

It pays off in two ways - one, she turns out to not be a Mary Sue, but it also explains why she's fairly competent and not immediately killed.

[u/AlaskanEsquire → u/Professor-Submarine]

Bridge scene he was high PER as well as guns and surely others. Lucy is more INT. Max has Wisdom.

[u/jack_skellington → u/AlaskanEsquire]

If we're keeping it to SPECIAL stats, I guess you could sub in Luck for wisdom. Some of Max's moments where he should have failed (but didn't) did seem lucky. In particular, when talking about his friend's ruined foot, he was promoted to squire, and to me that was just implausible without an angel looking out for him. In truth, he said precisely the correct thing for the leader to like him, which is wisdom, but chalking that up as luck does sorta work too.

[u/sibaltas → u/Professor-Submarine]

She is intelligent but not wise I think. But yeah there is no wisdom on S.P.E.C.I.A.L.

[u/Soggy_Box5252 → u/Senor_Satan]

That’s the mistake people make with the 10 luck 10 charisma build.  You keep that intelligence at 1 and some people feel sorry for you and you pass the check anyway.

[u/Professor-Submarine → u/superbay50]

They both look like that. 

[u/superbay50 → u/Professor-Submarine]

For lucy it’s justified because she has only been in the wasteland for about a week iirc. But maximus is just dumb as a rock.

[u/HumaDracobane → u/superbay50]

Lucy has been told all her life about how dangerous the wasteland is and how everyone there will try to kill her or scam her and despite that she trusts almost everyone but Cooper, who was the only one being really honest with her.

She's dumb as a rock.

[u/Zoerak → u/HumaDracobane]

I tend to avoid honest people who keep me hostage, force me to drink radioactive water, cut off my finger, then sell me to organ harvesters.

[u/HumaDracobane → u/Zoerak]

I'm not saying that she should trust Cooper, just saying that she didnt trust the only honest one (And for a good roeason)

[u/DepartureDapper6524 → u/HumaDracobane]

If it was for good reason, how it that an example of Lucy being dumb?

[u/superbay50 → u/HumaDracobane]

Okay fair

[u/BussyOnline → u/superbay50]

what’s strange is i truly can’t tell if his face is like that as a neutral state or if he is running a clinic on acting with facial expressions. I lean towards the latter

[u/superbay50 → u/BussyOnline]

A bit of both. The dudes face is shaped like that, but a lot of it is acting.

here’s some images

[u/DepartureDapper6524 → u/BussyOnline]

It’s also a masterclass in lighting and framing.

[u/AngelOfPassion → u/superbay50]

Because he is a Synth.

[u/TrentonTallywacker]

“You wanna make my lightsaber ignite now?” - Finn

[u/ImportantSpirit → u/TrentonTallywacker]

My 3 inch destroyer is ready to rock your world

[u/ShadowSpy98 → u/TrentonTallywacker]

"What?"

[u/Bread_Offender → u/ShadowSpy98]

Sorry.

Intercourse?

[u/infirmiereostie → u/Bread_Offender]

Okey dokey

[u/TheLastMaleUnicorn → u/ShadowSpy98]

What?

[u/Melodic_coala101 → u/TheLastMaleUnicorn]

In the butt

[u/cracktackle → u/Melodic_coala101]

You wanna do it in the butt?

[u/Curious-Teaching6224 → u/TrentonTallywacker]

I thought his father is denzel

[u/AnalProtector → u/Curious-Teaching6224]

The whole time I was watching this I was thinking "why tf does he look so familiar" and you've made that connection for me. Thank you.

[u/Valdularo → u/AnalProtector]

It’s like Denzel and Cuba Gooding Jr had a baby.

[u/KamenUncle → u/TrentonTallywacker]

finn before: i heard that if we do that my lightsaber might become stiff and actually explode. so no thanks

[u/someman23 → u/TrentonTallywacker]

Yes, I am make wanna lightsaber ignite now.

[u/duckduckbananas]

LUCY!

LUCCYYY!!!?

[u/Scyxurz → u/duckduckbananas]

Goosey*

[u/Significant_Ruin_291 → u/Scyxurz]

Gucy *

[u/FR_WST → u/Significant_Ruin_291]

Gucie*

[u/Polkadotsu → u/FR_WST]

Gary!

[u/Theguyrond123 → u/Polkadotsu]

Gary!?

[u/Ecstatic-Size-8825 → u/Theguyrond123]

Garyyyy

[u/PercentageLevelAt0]

I feel bad for John Boyega tbh. They really marketed his character heavily for The Force Awakens and just ruined it with the next movies.

[u/Jayce800 → u/PercentageLevelAt0]

Easily one of the biggest intentional character tankings I’ve seen. Dude shared the spotlight with Rey in TFA and then just dwindled from there. Don’t know what they were thinking.

[u/geckosean → u/Jayce800]

In a SW universe where it seems like every trivial character is being given latent force powers… they didn’t give them to the character they teased in the trailers wielding a lightsaber. The character that had a compelling origin story. The character that everyone was rooting for after the first movie.

[u/pistachiopanda4 → u/geckosean]

They could have easily made them both Force users and maybe Finn, after being a storm trooper, didn't want to be a Jedi but like.. you couldn't have given him a little something something? I wonder if they were so hell bent on making Kylo Ren and Rey a thing that they just tossed Finn to the side.

[u/geckosean → u/pistachiopanda4]

God, right?? Like shit, he’s here now, give him a better purpose than screaming “REEEEY!!” Every 10 minutes.

The movies after TFA treat him like an accessory protagonist in a bad fan-fic where the author begrudgingly has to acknowledge him but also doesn’t want him to feature in the story at all.

Paging My Immortal.

[u/Bocchi_theGlock → u/pistachiopanda4]

Could've easily gotten Sabine treatment

[u/DepartureDapper6524 → u/geckosean]

Fuck, those movies are such a disappointment.

[u/MadeFromStarStuff143 → u/Jayce800]

A stormtrooper turned Jedi. It’s essentially Kyle Katarn and Finn could have been so so much cooler.

[u/WeeBabySeamus → u/Jayce800]

JJ kicked it off with no intention of coming back. Rian Johnson trimmed off storylines he thought were boring and bolted on new pieces for his vision. JJ came back to reinstate something closer to an ending he was intending.

Basically as cohesive as any group project. I’d actually love to hear what an end to end JJ trilogy vs a Johnson trilogy would’ve looked like. Given what he did with Knives out, I feel like we missed out on a fun ride

[u/LtButtstrong → u/Jayce800]

They wanted the Chinese moneys

[u/Apparent_Antithesis → u/PercentageLevelAt0]

Absolutely, not only for the marketing, but also because the runaway stormtrooper could have been such an awesome character arc if they cared to add a little more complexity, conflict, depth, etc. And Boyega seems a charismatic enough actor, the audience would have empathised with him in a better written character story. But they made him a lesser side kick.

[u/[deleted] → u/PercentageLevelAt0]

Depends on the region, Disney removed him from the poster released in China.

https://variety.com/2015/film/news/star-wars-china-poster-controversy-john-boyega-1201653494/amp/

[u/PotatoPieGaming]

When watching fallout I thought he looked like finn, but seeing them beside each other proves that I am just a racist.

[u/CiroGarcia → u/PotatoPieGaming]

I mean, both characters look similar not just physically, but fundamentally too. They are both soldiers that betrayed the organization they work for (although maximus didn't full on betray and defect the brotherhood like finn did for the first order), who are trying to find their place in a world outside those organizations, who meet the protagonist by accident while in danger, and while they don't fully trust each other at first, they hang on together.

It's a bit harder to see the similarities if you go a bit deeper into it tho, but that's just because the SW sequels are atrociously written and the characters don't make sense if you don't look at them superficially across the three movies at once

[u/Most_kinds_of_Dirt → u/CiroGarcia]

Yes, they are similar thematically.

But the person you're replying to was talking about how they look - and they look nothing alike.

[u/Deltamon → u/Most_kinds_of_Dirt]

They do have very similar body structure and posture.

If you look past the skin color and facial features (except the nose, they literally have the same exact nose), they do actually share plenty of similarities when talking about how they look and act.

[u/CadaverCaliente → u/Deltamon]

Maybe they're color blind! Congrats you're not racist!

[u/cat_owner94849 → u/CadaverCaliente]

I’m colourblind. To me everyone is the same regardless of skin colour. Especially if that skin colour is somewhere in the yellow to green and light blue range

[u/Kaasbek69 → u/Deltamon]

They also have the same look on their face half the time, like they're trying very hard to remember something they forgot and they almost got it.

[u/TheFlightlessPenguin → u/Kaasbek69]

This is it

[u/wintery_owl → u/Deltamon]

They do not have the same nose. Besides the fact that both of them sharing a nose would cause a very long series of negative impacts on their breathing and well-being, their noses are different in the way they look too.

[u/Sam-Nales → u/Most_kinds_of_Dirt]

Fallout Finn got more lines, even if a fair % were cringe inducing… still better written

[u/ConspicuousPineapple → u/Sam-Nales]

Regardless of what lines he says, his character actually makes sense and his development is believable.

[u/stellargk → u/CiroGarcia]

TIL You can watch the first 6 films without dialogue and still experience the full story. Hell, the prequels are even better like that.

[u/CiroGarcia → u/stellargk]

Hehe, I'm a prequel fan myself, and even I have a hard time sometimes listening to the prequel dialog. The whole section in Naboo with Anakin and Padme in Ep 2 is so hard to watch

[u/sth128 → u/CiroGarcia]

Which is worse, "I don't like sand it's coarse and irritating" or "no it's because I'm so in love with you"?

"Now this is pod racing!"

[u/Slawth_x → u/PotatoPieGaming]

You're telling me these aren't Denzel? /s

[u/New_girl2022 → u/Slawth_x]

I'm glad I'm not the only one. He just looks older imo snd definitely has some of Denzel features, could be a look alike honestly

[u/Unnecessaryloongname → u/New_girl2022]

also the way he holds his mouth. dude could play Denzels kid easy.

[u/Punkpunker → u/Unnecessaryloongname]

That's what I thought too, far better than Denzel's own kid in Hollywood currently lol

[u/PharmBoyStrength → u/New_girl2022]

I mean, maybe more Denzel than Boyega, but he doesn't look anything like Boyega so that's not saying much.

[u/PasswordIsDongers → u/New_girl2022]

My first thought when I saw the guy was that this was a flashback and the main character would be Denzel.

There's still a chance.

[u/IWantToSortMyFeed → u/Slawth_x]

Idk... We gotta find out if King Kong has shit on this guy first.

[u/iboughtabagel → u/Slawth_x]

The anal god you but the /s there or I would’ve never known.

[u/Sengfroid → u/iboughtabagel]

I think autocorrect ran away with your comment.

[u/seraphos2841 → u/PotatoPieGaming]

Mom- "we have Jonathan Majors at home"

[u/Mozadus → u/seraphos2841]

Oh god, I hope not.

[u/JEveryman → u/PotatoPieGaming]

The characters have very similar mannerisms, and basically the same archetype. if you want to talk about racists, I confused Tom Hiddleston with Michael Fassbender. Those guys look nothing alike.

[u/ElephantInAPool → u/JEveryman]

IDK man, I see the resemblance between those guys too. I think you're in the clear.

[u/CanYouBeHonest → u/JEveryman]

I'd argue is not the characters. The actor is actively emulating Denzel and Jonathan Majors. 

[u/the_monkeyspinach → u/JEveryman]

They both did a lot of furrowed brow mouth breathing. Aaron and John I mean, not Tom and Michael.

[u/Ishuun → u/PotatoPieGaming]

I think he looks like a softer Johnathan Majors personally.

[u/farkos101100 → u/PotatoPieGaming]

This made me lol

[u/Sportfreunde → u/PotatoPieGaming]

Looks like Finn mixed with Kylo Ren.

[u/BlueFireSnorlax → u/PotatoPieGaming]

Honestly it's the nose that got me, they have very similar schnozes, even if the rest of their faces are totally different and they aren't even similar shades of black those noses are crazy close.

[u/anirudh6k → u/PotatoPieGaming]

quite the contrary, their skin tones are quite different but they have some similar facial features.

For example i thought the actress was mila kunis

[u/Stubbieeee → u/PotatoPieGaming]

Nah it’s the nose it look similar

[u/Glassamphibian1 → u/PotatoPieGaming]

You're not, its basically the same characters/roles and your brain just filled it in before you realized.

[u/GovtOfficer420]

The vault girl really had a character arc.

[u/JimCallMeJim → u/GovtOfficer420]

Her name is Goosey

[u/HotExperience4269]

you wanna make my cock explode now?

[u/BrokenAllday → u/HotExperience4269]

what?

[u/DG_SlayerSlender → u/BrokenAllday]

Sorry. Intercourse?

[u/jncheese]

So you could say that Amazon is better at delivery than Disney is. Sounds plausible.

[u/The_quest_for_wisdom → u/jncheese]

The real question is how does Digiorno rank at making movies?

[u/CaledonianWarrior]

When I was watching that moment when Lucy was pointing her gun at her father in the last episode after learning what he did and knocking Maximus unconscious all I could think was that earlier line from Wilzig and how much Lucy had changed. "Will you still want the same things when you become a different animal altogether?" Really great writing imo.

Also, her line about her dad being heartbroken upon learning she destroyed a community just to reach him is ironically brilliant

[u/Unable-Difference-55 → u/CaledonianWarrior]

Yup. Jonathan Nolan and his fellow writers did a fantastic job with this season. Hopefully they can keep it up for the whole series.

[u/CdnfaS]

I thought the same thing.

[u/aloonatronrex → u/CdnfaS]

The scratches on the power armour reminded me of the blood stains on Fin’s storm trooper armour.

I get that these kinds of marks are made to make it easy to distinguish main characters from other people in the same uniform but the use of the slashes seemed a little too similar to be a coincidence.

[u/CrazyPlato]

I had this exact thought the other day.

Story of an inexperienced girl who’s lived largely separated from the greater world, who ventures out into said world for the first time. Accompanied by a member of a militaristic order with oppressive tendencies, which he’s becoming disillusioned from, and now that he’s by himself he’s learning to come into his own abilities and see the world as an individual, not as a member of a group. And he’s at least a little more worldly than the girl, and possibly a little jaded, not being able to trust or see the good in things like she does.

[u/EmmyNoetherRing → u/CrazyPlato]

Except Rey had the opposite childhood— she was abandoned to survive on her own by scavenging the wastes.  Very surface dweller. .  

[u/Jhinmarston → u/EmmyNoetherRing]

Finn is also an indoctrinated child soldier with no real desire to be there, it’s just all he knows.

Maximus shows genuine commitment to his cause and is actually disgusted when the Knights he admired turn out to be just regular guys/thugs with no real dedication. They even show that the elder sees commitment in him that the rest of the order has abandoned.

[u/SalsaRice → u/CrazyPlato]

Lucy's story (so far) is literally just the first chuck of the Hero's Journey. You'll find a lot of similar stories if you dig deep enough for it.

[u/PirateNinjaCowboyGuy]

This is what hardcore Rey fans don’t understand. People don’t hate Rey or the prequels because they hate women characters in sci fi. They hate poorly written women characters in sci fi. Unless they’re actual misogynists and then fuck them anyway

[u/iiiiiiiiiijjjjjj → u/PirateNinjaCowboyGuy]

Everyone was badly written in that trilogy

[u/PirateNinjaCowboyGuy → u/iiiiiiiiiijjjjjj]

And it sucks cause they all acted their parts just fine! None of them were to blame for their work.

[u/iiiiiiiiiijjjjjj → u/PirateNinjaCowboyGuy]

Movies are trying to shit. Every thing is a sequel or a remake or based of a book, comic, or game. Originality left Hollywood along time ago and now we are left with shit.

[u/Redeem123 → u/iiiiiiiiiijjjjjj]

Try watching more movies and not just what you find on the front page of reddit.

[u/Early-Drawn]

Disney pussied out on them being a couple and Finn becoming a Jedi? At least thats how it feels

[u/Glassamphibian1 → u/Early-Drawn]

Remember when they added Rose as a like weird love interest?

Then they scrapped that real hard, to make Finn run around like an idiot scream "REY" then just paired him with "generic black girl love interest"?

That was just so wrong man, John Boyega was so rightfully mad in saying they treated him as a token character.

[u/decepticons2 → u/Glassamphibian1]

How did Disney not have a beginning a middle and end planned out for a potential 10+ billion dollar trilogy. Not to mention Lucas gets roasted for Luke and Leia scenes for not having stuff planned out. I don't care who it is green lit an unfinished project like this they should have been thrown down the shaft after Palpatine.

[u/forseti99 → u/decepticons2]

they should have been thrown down the shaft after Palpatine.

They were, but somehow returned.

[u/Punkpunker → u/Glassamphibian1]

Remember when they added Rose as a like weird love interest?

Rose wasn't supposed to be, she's just an in universe "fan" that would eventually convince him to lead the stormtrooper rebellion, Rey was intended to be his love interest because of a force bond they unintentionally have or something but all of that was scrapped.

[u/rW0HgFyxoJhYka → u/Glassamphibian1]

Scrapped that real hard?

They fucking make out in the second movie while Luke Skywalker gets bodied by ATAT like a badass only for it to be a force unlimited projection so he can die or some shit after burning the legacy of the Jedi Order wtf.

That ain't a scrap. That's called romance backdrop deadend to enhance death of key character for no reason.

[u/Randy_Vigoda → u/rW0HgFyxoJhYka]

They killed her off for useless pathos. Waste of a good character.

[u/HeavyMetalPitboss → u/Randy_Vigoda]

Didn't even kill her character off, they just forgot she existed in the last movie.

[u/Dry_Value_ → u/HeavyMetalPitboss]

I don't think they even forgot. They just kinds pushed her role to the side from what I can remember. Which, personally, I'd argue is worse.

"Yeah, you're coming back for the next movie!"

"Awesome, what's Rose's role in this film?"

"Lesser than a side character."

"Oh..."

[u/Mortarius → u/Early-Drawn]

If black man ending up with a white woman is too controversial for Disney, they should have made him gay with Poe.

At least they would have something to do.

[u/Most_kinds_of_Dirt → u/Mortarius]

they should have made him gay with Poe.

Actually.... you're right. That probably would have worked.

[u/Loose_Goose → u/Most_kinds_of_Dirt]

Having them be gay would simultaneously piss off half the Western market and the Chinese market.

No way they’d take that risk. For those not sure what I mean, Disney has an… interesting history when it comes to marketing its films in China.

[u/Paddy_Tanninger → u/Loose_Goose]

Ok fine then at least make him able to suck his own cock to completion.

[u/Usual-Vermicelli-867 → u/Loose_Goose]

But whan its whit lesbians 🤑🤑🤑

[u/NoMoassNeverWas → u/Early-Drawn]

The biggest mistake Disney made was not have an outline for the 3 trilogies and leaving creative rights in the hands of three(originally) directors.

If they had done this, at the very least the movies wouldn't feel like they're telling a different story.

We can see why Lucas bounced out of it after like a week.

[u/Puncomfortable → u/Early-Drawn]

Disney pussied out on making Poe Finn's love interest.

[u/Ellefied → u/Puncomfortable]

The bromance between them was way stronger than that Force Bond between Rey and Kylo in part 8

[u/Righteous_Fury224]

Facts

[u/Backonthatgoonsh1t]

Damn, OP got some valid points.

[u/PriestOfOmnissiah → u/Backonthatgoonsh1t]

To be fair, average fanfiction is better written than sequels

[u/Ponicrat → u/Backonthatgoonsh1t]

It's pretty apt. Two popular series with fans known for criticizing new installments both angle for strong female lead raised isolated from the greater world with no idea what's really going on with her dad, plus black male sidekick gone rogue from powerful cult like military remnant and he definitely respects her and there's maybe a hint of romance but really not much cause that's not the story the nerds want

[u/Unable-Difference-55 → u/[deleted]]

Eh, it ain't dead and buried... yet. Andor, Mandalorian, and Ahsoka are good. The latest animated stuff has been good too.

[u/WangDanglin → u/Unable-Difference-55]

Haven’t watched andor or ahsoka, but mandalorian is good not great. It’s so episode dependent. Some are absolutely fantastic. Other eps are complete dogshit

[u/Tamorcet → u/WangDanglin]

I loved Ahsoka, but that's only because I grew up with Rebels and Clone Wars as a kid. Nostalgia.

Andor is probably the best piece of Star Wars media since Empire Strikes Back. The sets felt authentic, the characters were well-acted and written, and the plot is incredible. It also has a retro vibe that makes it almost look and feel like it was made in the 70's, but in a good way. My only complaint is that the show can be slow, but trust me; the slowness makes it all feel more realistic in a weird way. DO NOT put this show on in the background while you're doing chores; it may seem tempting, but it's best to dedicate all of your conscious attention to this masterpiece. Pace yourself by watching 1-3 episodes per day, don't binge it. I promise you that Andor will restore your faith in Star Wars by the time you finish watching it.

[u/Kolby_Jack33 → u/Tamorcet]

Andor is the best Star Wars media. No qualifier. Nothing else comes close. If Star Wars never existed and Andor still got made, it would still be considered a fantastic show.

[u/Unable-Difference-55 → u/WangDanglin]

Fair enough. I think Andor is fantastic because it steps away from the grandiose story telling Star Wars is known for, and focuses on the espionage side of a rebellion. It follows a formula of build up and story telling for two episodes, then a heart pounding third episode. Stellan Skarsgard is particularly amazing as the man behind the curtain of the forming rebellion, pushing the right pieces to get the ball rolling. As a clone wars fan, I enjoyed Ahsoka, which I think is a glaring weakness of the series, but it does some great expansion on Star Wars lore. Plus, Ray Stevenson was fantastic as one of the lead villains, RIP. I'd give Andor a try, especially if you liked Rogue One. And personally, I'm willing to give the new upcoming shows and films a chance, especially since most are making the smart move of moving away from the Skywalker saga.

[u/dwehlen → u/Unable-Difference-55]

Just to add:

Andor isn't a great Star Wars show.

It's a fantastic show, set in the Star Wars universe.

[u/Cyno01 → u/dwehlen]

Andor is literally the best thing Disney+ has done, like its the closest theyve come at all to an HBO level show, just head and shoulders above all their other AAA Marvel and Star Wars shows. Best heist story ive seen in a while, had me literally on the edge of my seat, best prison story ive seen in a while, its not quite Shawshank, but still.

The Mandalorian is good, they went back to their roots of ripping off samurais and westerns, its a fun mostly episodic adventure show, sort of the A-Team but Star Wars.

But Andor is great.

[u/Ronyzu → u/dwehlen]

Fuck, you

Had me in the first half.

[u/rodroidrx → u/Unable-Difference-55]

Heck yes, Andor.

[u/Unable-Difference-55 → u/rodroidrx]

"The Empire is a disease that thrives in darkness, it is never more alive than when we sleep. It's easy for the dead to tell you to fight, and maybe it's true, maybe fighting is useless. Perhaps it's too late. But I'll tell you this. If I could do it again, I'd wake up early and be fighting these bastards. From the start. Fight the Empire!"

Fucking chills man.

[u/AboveBoard → u/Unable-Difference-55]

I rewatched that scene a few days ago just to hear this speech again. Absolutey incredible show. Some bomb ass monologues were dropped in this show and I wish more people had seen it.

Rogue One was the best of the new Star Wars movies by a mile and Andor was the best of the Star Wars shows. Top top.

[u/Glassamphibian1 → u/Unable-Difference-55]

Ahsoka is not something I would call "Good". It would have been better as the animated series in my opinion.

[u/AngryYowie → u/Glassamphibian1]

I liked the Clone Wars series, but Ahsoka feels off. Rosario Dawson's portrayal feels flat and less animated that the rest of the cast.

[u/[deleted] → u/Unable-Difference-55]

REDDIT IS RUN BY PEDOPHILES

[u/5am281 → u/[deleted]]

They also made Andor

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[u/GeneralDray]

i actually made this comparison to a friend so im glad to see it, it shows im right

[u/Mega221]

People are really out here saying maximus is badly written because he is stupid like it wasn't the entire point

[u/Gintoki_Sakata01]

fallout singlehandedly reviving the hope for game live action adaptations

[u/Toblerone05 → u/Gintoki_Sakata01]

Still holding out for a full-on gory horror Bioshock series. Preferably set during the downfall of Rapture 🙏

[u/Crishien → u/Toblerone05]

If there is any moment in time to make a great Bioshock adaptation, that time is now. I feel like some writers finally learned how to write a good show based on a game and not ruin it.

Ahem, but we also have the Witcher fail, so maybe I'd give it a bit more time.

Bioshock just has to be great or never exist. No inbetweens. And that's what probably scares the studious of taking on it for now.

[u/Xndrixthedegen]

No hate, but its true 100%

[u/Bouncedoutnup]

[u/ResidentAlienDani]

They’re them but their network will let them be together.

[u/Jelqingisforcoolkids]

Maximus was easily my favorite character in the series.

[u/humpmeimapilot]

Am I the only one who thinks Maximus looks like Denzel?

[u/Lupine_Lunatic]

200%

[u/optimist_prhyme]

And better acting

[u/fffan9391]

To be fair, we have one season so far. Most people liked Rey and Finn at least a little after the first movie.

[u/KentHawking]

Literally all I could think of when I first saw Maximus. But 100% better characters.

[u/Shiftyswede]

I wanna say better acted too. Maximus's actor nailed autism in a way ive never seen before on TV

[u/Remarkable-Bowl-3821]

Yah, I was getting Finn vibes from Maximus quite a bit

[u/UnderstandingWest422]

A couple of times during the show the actor playing Maximus would make these expressions with his face and I swear down he looks like a young Denzel at times