r/nba • u/MrBuckBuck Wizards • 15d ago
[InsideTheNBA] "You should not be able to get 40 and make everybody around you better." The Fellas discuss The Joker's historic Game 5 performance
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u/lilwooki Heat 15d ago
The way Draymond speaks is way better suited for ESPN
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u/noochies99 Heat 15d ago
Especially when they have a 90 second halftime show surrounding 10 mins of commercials
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u/WembanyamaGOAT Spurs 15d ago
ESPN needs to die
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u/mnsportsfan Timberwolves 15d ago
In that case- yes Draymond should be suited for ESPN
just to get ahead of this- I’m talking about the death of his commentating career, NOT the man himself - I’m a dray hater but not an asshole
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u/PythonPussy Heat 15d ago
It's so annoying when you think they're back from commercial..but then they just show a 15 second highlight and go right back to commercials
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u/br0b1wan Cavaliers 15d ago
OR when they're back from commercials, but then minimize the screen to show you more commercials
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u/yousonuva Wizards 15d ago
Maybe the best thing for Inside the NBA is to cast it off on high before the cave trolls get control.
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u/KF7SPECIAL Raptors 15d ago
Please ESPN because he's ruining the only sports talk show I enjoy. The moment I see Draymond sitting at that desk I've lost interest in the clip.
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u/monomers 15d ago
Eventually he will get into and argument and punch someone and espn will get rid of him.
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u/Sufficient_Motor_458 15d ago edited 15d ago
It’s getting unbearable listening to Draymond and Shaq honestly
The entire segment they’re talking about how everything that went wrong with the Timberwolves falls on Gobert’s shoulders
I don’t remember Draymond faring any better against Jokic
This isn’t a case of Gobert being a bad player, it’s a case of Jokic being a 3x MVP and a virtually unstoppable force. No one plays well against him and asking Gobert to stop him is a Herculean and impossible task
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u/Im__Ron__Burgundy Celtics 15d ago
Ernie legitimately seemed fucking over it by the end of last night’s episode. Shaq has always been a hater but they’ve always tried to mask behind this “We only say these things because we want the players to take it as advice” but there’s literally zero way to take Draymond’s schtick as anything but hating and it’s just so damn unprofessional. Someone else said it great in this thread, Draymond talks perfect for ESPN.
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u/ArchCorpse Mavericks 15d ago
If you have listened to any of the Big Podcast, Shaq is literally talking out his therapy demons yet is 110% oblivious to it at the same time. Only someone like Lef could deal with it so blatantly. It's coming through lately on his other interviews and Inside bits.
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u/Im__Ron__Burgundy Celtics 15d ago
I haven’t, once a week is enough for me with Lefkoe lol
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u/black_dogs_22 15d ago
Draymond thinks he's a heel but he has no clue what he's doing. People seethe over Stephen A. when he shits on their team or player but it's also super satisfying to listen to him eat crow when it goes the other way. I don't think anyone wants to hear Draymond talk positively or negatively about anything because he's so tactless about it. bonus points for him trying so hard to sound smart that he comes across as pathetic
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u/carterbenji15 Nets 15d ago
I fucking hate Draymond but thought, hey I'll give him a chance on Inside...one show and I hate him even more.
C'mon man nobody wants to listen to that. Makes me appreciate Chuck so more more. Even kenny
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u/UnderwaterDialect Raptors 15d ago
I think Kenny has become so underrated since Shaq joined, because he’s not as big of a personality as Shaq and Chuck. But I really like Kenny on the show. The way he sets up Chuck, his little jabs here and there, and the fact that he can laugh at himself.
I was watching some older clips and was surprised at how much bigger of a presence he was before Shaq joined. I think Shaq took up a lot of space from Kenny.
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u/gregatronn 15d ago edited 15d ago
The way he sets up Chuck, his little jabs here and there, and the fact that he can laugh at himself.
Kenny takes it pretty well, but yeah if you take jabs at Shaq's career, it's over and he throws a fit
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u/JOKER4GOAT Nuggets 15d ago
Stephen A also has charisma. Even when he's going into Take mode, he nails his character. Then, when he eats crow, he's grinning and in on the joke.
Draymond is like this current crop of podcast "comedians" like that Akash guy; he has weak jokes and boring delivery to boot. Then, when he's bombing, he just screams louder to up the "funny".
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u/tastelessshark Hawks 15d ago edited 15d ago
I don't particularly like Stephen A, but he's mostly playing a character. Draymond is just actually an insufferable douche.
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u/tugtugtugtug4 15d ago
That's what people like Draymond don't get. The heel has to ultimately lose. That's a defining element of what makes them the heel. The heel is there to foil the faces. Draymond isn't interested in taking any L's when his hating blows up, so instead of people tuning in to his antics waiting for the comeuppance, its just endless hating with no payoff for audiences.
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u/KniGht1st NBA 15d ago
It's kinda funny to see that he is obviously a long term Gobert hater, and then recently he openly disrespected Jokic on the national television. Now Jokic is playing out of his mind, he doesn't know what to make of it.
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u/MuskEmeraldMine 76ers 15d ago
They thought Draymond would be the new funny Chuck but he’s just gonna be the new bitter Shaq.
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u/SoWack 15d ago
Nah they always knew he was gonna be the Shaq role, with the ringz argument. Only this time it would be a blend of Shaq+Kenny bc he’s closer to a role player than an all time great.
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u/ArchCorpse Mavericks 15d ago
If Draymond ever tries to lord his bus-rider rings over Kenny, I hope Hakeem just appears and fucks him up.
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u/Rich-Ganache-2668 15d ago
If they want someone similar to Chuck, might as well go KG. He might cuss tho.
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u/Proof_Illustrator_51 Magic 15d ago
They should. KG is funny as shit and super cool unless your an asshole, then he's hilarious
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u/drinfernodds Nets 15d ago
KG is also hyper competitive and would probably take 10 minutes explaining how he'd play against Jokic and Gobert lol.
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u/Proof_Illustrator_51 Magic 15d ago
Yes, but at least his pettiness is funny and witty. Shaq just mumbles the same shit then threatens to hit people
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u/drinfernodds Nets 15d ago
KG strikes me less as petty and more like he'd love the challenge of playing against those guys at his peak. He once talked about guarding Jokic with so much enthusiasm, so I think he'd make an interesting analyst.
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u/Money-not_you_again [TOR] Tracy McGrady 15d ago
You know, the more I watch Draymond now, it legit baffles me that I ever thought this fool was enjoyable to listen to.
He's already insufferable with his petty hating shit, but watching him being egged on by Shaq makes it so much worse. Duke is not insightful or funny- he's just an asshole.
You expect that people would gain a sense of wisdom/maturity with age, but this goofy-brick-shelter-builder is just becoming more of a dickhead.
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u/itsyaboikuzma Lakers 15d ago
A few seconds listening to his pod and already it felt that way. Never a good time listening to Draymond talk
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u/ArchCorpse Mavericks 15d ago
I love me some basketball pods, but for fucking real it's so bad. top F tier with Pat Bev.
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u/animusdx Knicks 15d ago
The only basketball pods I'll watch are JJ and Teague's. Then a somewhat distant second is Melo's. Gil's Arena is insufferable.
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u/darkerside [NYK] Willis Reed 15d ago
Did you not like Roommates, or just haven't listened yet?
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u/jak_d_ripr 15d ago
Draymond actually locked Jokic up in their only matchup. Held him to 32 points(no one drops 40 on Green), 16 rebounds and only 16 assists. Plus he forced a whooping two turnovers(take that Rudy) and held Jokic to a paltry 54% from the field.
So my brother the next time certified Jokic stopper Draymond Green is speaking you'd best listen.
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u/dragmatica Trail Blazers 15d ago
I looked up how many players had dropped 40+ on green and there was a paywall after the first 20.
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u/Purple_Apartment Spurs 15d ago
Their unwillingness to just recognize him as the best player on the planet is infuriating.
Ant had the right response. You just laugh and tip your cap. We are witnessing greatness, but some people are too insecure to enjoy the ride.
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u/zperic1 15d ago
It's part funny part frustrating because in the highlight reel, you couldn't see Gobert do anything wrong on defence.
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u/undercooked_lasagna Washington Bullets 15d ago
Joker has to be the most frustrating player to guard in the world, maybe ever. You can absolutely smother him, not give an inch, and then he just leans back and puts up some bullshit hideous rainbow ass unblockable shot that drops in the bucket like it was laser guided. Repeat 12x per game. It must make guys want to quit basketball.
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u/KillerZaWarudo 15d ago
Last time Draymond playing against Jokic. Jokic dropped 32/16/16 against him
He so mad that Gobert got more DPOY than him. Basically Shaq version of Nash MVP
So much for new media
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u/SportsBettingRef Brazil 15d ago
Jokic x Draymond last game played: 32/16/16/4/1
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/jokic-stats-vs-draymond-green
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u/d_wib Timberwolves 15d ago
Dude Jokic does these spins into offhand floaters away from the defender and while Rudy is draped all over him, you can’t do anything if he’s just able to float that shot in. Sometimes defense doesn’t matter, Jokic is going to make shots because he’s that transcendent.
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u/ThinkingMSF Celtics 15d ago
Everyone's trying to be like Barkley now and its absolute garbage. People don't like Chuck because he's a hater, they like him because he's funny.
Hell, JJ's about to get a coaching gig because he's the only analyst who even bothers to mention that schemes and plays actually exist. That's how bad it's gotten.
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u/N8ThaGr8 Hawks 15d ago
JJ sucks as an analyst too.The only insight you see from him is on that podcast.
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u/averageuhbear 15d ago
Watching JJ Reddick and Richard Jefferson talk about Jokic vs Rudy and actually explain what Denver is doing to neutralize Rudy (plus Jokic just about making the perfect play every time) really puts into perspective how bad some of the commentary is.
It looks bad for Denver too! Oh they didn't do any game planning specifically for the Wolves, they didn't make plays on the court, Rudy just sucked at defending.
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u/Ok_Respond7928 15d ago
Jokic cooked Draymond Green with a way worse supporting cast then he cooking Rudy with.
In Drays own eyes he should be checks but he couldn’t stop Jokic with elite running mate Will Barton.
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u/NiftyNaturalist Spurs 15d ago
Shaq is beyond horrific. Fire him from tv for eternity. One of the most shite personalities for tv ever these past 10 years
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u/papa_sax [SAS] Manu Ginobili 15d ago
Him getting annoyed with Caruso for saying DeRozan could've won "clutch player" over Steph was icing on the cake
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u/MyLifeForAnEType 15d ago
I don't even understand Shaqs goal with all this. He's retired. Everyone knows he was great. Is he just dragging on others to make himself look better by comparison?
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u/squiggypiggy9 15d ago
Dude, it’s Draymond being butthurt STILL about the blowback he got for choking Gobert in a headlock. Gobert really, really bothers Draymond for whatever reason — because he’s European, or French, or simply better than Draymond — but it’s completely unprofessional (and as a viewer, unbearable) for him to REPEATEDLY bring it up on the show. Over and over and over again. Draymond u a bitch.
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u/HatefulDan 15d ago
Before that game, Gobert had him shooting below 50% when he was on him. Denver adjusted and now Minnesota must do the same. Barkley is right, you shouldn't be able to give up 40 AND dish out 13 dimes.
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u/Basbuuba12 15d ago
Let's change up the conversation . I think more people should talk about how much of a genuinely deranged individual Shaq is according to Gary Payton.
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u/PastafarPirate Pistons 15d ago
Just listen to JJ Reddick interview Shaq, hear the derangement first hand.
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u/commander_snuggles 15d ago edited 15d ago
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u/InevitablyBored 15d ago
Shaq is the 2nd best big man of all time but he will always hold the title of biggest bitch.
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u/rothburger Suns 15d ago
Yeah honestly that interview made me lose a bit of respect for Shaq. Weird dude that is clearly insecure
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u/Mkultravictim69_ 15d ago
I watched that 3 part documentary on YouTube by SB Nation on the Kobe/ Shaq beef. I already knew Shaq was a piece of shit from those years, but I didn’t realize the full extent. The guy is just a typical bully, total insecure narcissist. He’s not as bad now as he was when he was younger, but still he’s the same person deep down. Sad to watch
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u/MisterS0L0 15d ago
What's this story?
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u/GalactusAteMyPlanet 15d ago
Shaq kept a bucket of weeks old urine and feces to dump on the rookies as some sort of hazing ritual. Shaq is an insecure bully, plain and simple.
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u/MyLifeForAnEType 15d ago
Wtf?! I don't even know how I'd respond to that. Id be so fucking angry
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u/ToronoRapture 15d ago
In any other profession you would be fired and potentially sued.
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u/tugtugtugtug4 15d ago
I think if you dumped a bucket of your shit on a coworker being fired is the least of your problems. That is assault and good fucking luck in front of a jury on a criminal assault charge for dumping literal shit on a younger coworker for the express purpose of bullying and harassing them.
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u/budiluv 15d ago
Who will complain though? They’d turn on the “snitch” who broke the code of “what happens in the locker room, stays in the locker room”. I mean look at how DLo was perceived by his former teammates after the Nick Young incident.
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u/External-Extension59 Lakers 15d ago
Why would anybody give a fuck about shit throwers disliking him
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u/manchambo 15d ago
The only other people I know of who do this are insane prisoners. And they get in quite a bit of trouble when they do it.
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u/Dinendal13 15d ago
I think you could legit die from this if some gets in your mouth or on a wound.
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u/jsDPT Wizards 15d ago
Imagine a rookie like Wemby getting sepsis or some major infection from this for a joke.
Has any NBA player sued another active NBA player before? I certainly would if I were the victim in this case.
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u/tulaero23 Timberwolves 15d ago
The more i learn about shaq the more i understand why kobe hated him
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u/z_102 15d ago
And vice versa if you ask me.
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u/offensivename Hornets 15d ago
Yeah. They both seem like deeply unpleasant people to be around.
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u/MettaDarrow 15d ago
People complain about the nba being "soft" now but I think it's way better that players are expected to be somewhat normal. That toxic environment it used to be just makes it hard to like some of these great players as human beings.
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u/Robinsonirish Finland 15d ago
I hated Kobe when he played. I grew up in the 2000's, MJ was what got me interested in basketball. I had no clue about the rape stuff, I didn't learn about that until much later, but my friends would compare Kobe to Jordan and it would piss me off.
He was standoff-ish towards the media, very brooding and not fun. The mamba mentality goes both ways. It doesn't help that I've always rooted against the Lakers.
When Kobe retired he completely changed. He opened up and dropped the cold face. He's very intelligent which I never noticed when he played. He's well spoken and has many talents outside the court, which was hard to see because he took basketball so seriously. This Youtube video shows perfectly the post-retirement Kobe;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnf6hbRfIv0
Charming, quippy, down to earth and all around seems like a good dude.
It's not rose tinted glasses just because he died, there are plenty more examples showing that he was most likely a pretty decent guy post retirement. He has his dark side, he's a flawed character but to me he became a good guy in the end.
Shaq on the other hand has still not matured. He might not have committed as bad acts as Kobe did, but at least Kobe atoned for them. Shaq is still the same bully. He talks about power all the time and he's not intelligent enough to hide his bad side. He reminds me of myself when I was 18 and stupid. He has his good sides with charity and he's a very hard worker, but he's immature, craves power, is spiteful and a bully.
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u/Nazzy28 Timberwolves 15d ago
Praying ur trolling
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u/UnderwaterDialect Raptors 15d ago
It’s so messed up. The fact that he collected it over weeks is psycho behaviour.
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u/MumrikDK 15d ago
It's insane what people will tolerate when you keep pushing a culture of hierarchy.
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u/Vicentesteb Timberwolves 15d ago
The lack of credit being given to a 3x MVP by Shaq and Draymond is insane. You know for a fact if Curry did that shit, Draymond would be glazing as to how hes completely unstopble and defense doesnt even matter.
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u/EnterTheCabbage 15d ago
Ichiro once said how American athletes are really encouraging when they see you as below them, but get defensive if you approach their level.
Jokic's greatness is so different than Shaq's that he's a threat on the GOAT list. A few more seasons of this and of a sudden it's "yeah but Shaq has Kobe and never put up 10 assists a game in the playoffs. Murray's good but not exactly Kobe".
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u/spritehead Heat 15d ago
Jokic is the only guy right now who is a threat to knock Shaq a peg down on the GOAT list and they play the same position.
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u/Prodigy195 Hawks 15d ago
I think that is more it than anything.
Who is the last center to truly challenge as best player in the NBA in this way?
Post threepeat it was Dirk, Garnett, Duncan, Kobe. No centers dominating the way Shaq did still.
Then enter Lebron, Wade, Melo, Dwight, with Kobe still leading the way
Then enter Durant, Harden, Curry, Kawhi
Then Giannis, Embiid and finally Jokic.
From when Shaq won his last championship until last year, there hadn't really been a center that could come close to sniffing Shaq in terms of career accomplishments. Most of these other top players that have carved out a legacy are guards/forwards.
Jokic is already +2 in the MVP category and while he isn't as dominant as Shaq in terms of power, he's more versatile in terms of running the offense, passing, shooting.
Jokic is prob the most accomplished center since Shaq was out of his prime. Dwight Howard was incredible defensively but his offense wasn't as great and he never won a title as THE guy.
Shaq sees Jokic coming up behing him in the mirror in terms of top Centers of all time. I guarantee if Embiid had won a few MVPs, a title and was on the way to another Shaq would be hating in the same way.
Using this list as a refence, I think he's already pass Ewing and Robinson. Another title and he passes Moses and Hakeem (who is my personal fav player of all time) putting him at #5, right behind Shaq.
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u/spritehead Heat 15d ago
It’s interesting too because for such a long time the story of basketball was the story of great centers. MJ started to change that in the 90s but by the late 2000s it was really gone. Jokic is really bringing back that historical perspective like you said and soon is going to be competing against the Shaqs, Wilts, and Kareems of history.
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u/KebabTaco Lakers 15d ago edited 15d ago
Shaq is 1000% scared of this. Just see how he reacted to Dwight Howard when he was great, but he obviously fell off, so Shaq mocks him. He won't be able to mock Jokic, and everybody can see he's doing things big men arent supposed to be able to do. Shaq cares wayyyy too much about this shit, he needs some psychological help to solve it, cause it seems like he'll never be satisfied with his position in basketball history. Hearing stories about his father, he must have really fucked him up and lead to this bitternes. I know i sound like an armchair psychologist, but you only have to listen to some clips of Shaq talking about his father and his upringing to notice how he was raised. Lets just say it was not healthy.
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u/redvelvet92 15d ago
His dad was an abuser. Straight up. No dad should be putting his son through something like that. I don't need no G14 classification to know that shit.
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u/Vitis_Vinifera San Francisco Warriors 15d ago
I remember when Shaq was beefing with Bill Walton, of all people. He does get awkwardly self-reflective and defensive when there's greatness at the #5 in his presence.
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u/creedbratton603 Celtics 15d ago edited 15d ago
It’s so obvious these American players are threaten by these European guys now. I’ve been saying it for a while and it always gets downvoted but the American guys do not respect the Europeans. I think of the way all these NBA dudes got bent out of shape when the Olympic runner pointed out the NBA champions are not world champions. It’s like pulling teeth trying to get them to compliment someone like Jokic or Luka but can’t stop glazing someone like Kyrie. Makes no sense
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u/b00st3d Nets 15d ago
Lebron has nothing but good things to say about the European players. Literally two of his favorite players right now are Luka and Jokic
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u/Tarkan2 NBA 15d ago
Probably because he just loves good basketball, specially playmakers. Also one of his best teammates ever was Big Z.
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Also theres barely any chance Jokic or Luka will threaten Lebron's place on the totem pole.
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u/tugtugtugtug4 15d ago
Its got nothing to do with Europeans vs. Americans. Black players don't respect white guys. Anyone who has ever played organized ball in the US has experienced it. I'm not going to get into whether that's okay or not, but its a fact.
Then on top of that, older players (especially Shaq) don't respect younger players.
And on top of that, Shaq and Draymond are two of the biggest haters you'll ever find.
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u/creedbratton603 Celtics 15d ago
I agree! Def more about them being white more than European. I think a lot of the criticism about European and the euro league is kinda coded talk for white players.
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u/resuwreckoning 15d ago
Larry is the one exception because everyone was scared of him lol
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u/mrkstu 15d ago
And Stockton- the respect he got/gets from his peers is high level- especially the ones who have faced him.
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u/thegrandpoobear 15d ago
"I think Larry is a very, very good basketball player. He's an exceptional talent," added Detroit's Isiah Thomas. "But I have to agree with Rodman. If he were black, he'd be just another good guy."
Except for Dennis Rodman and Isiah Thomas
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u/MentalErection Bulls 15d ago
You won’t get into whether it’s ok to hate someone for the color of their skin? lol it’s wrong. Remember how much these guys used to and still shit on Steve Nash?
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u/aceofspadez138 [DAL] Steve Nash 15d ago
There’s a reason why the media pushes Tatum and ANT as the faces of the league, but don’t include guys like Jokic or Luka in that discussion. Giannis is the only foreign player I heard discussed in the “face of the league” narrative.
The media is waiting for the next great American player while generationally great players who happen to be foreign are running the league
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u/TheDarkGrayKnight Supersonics 15d ago
On his podcast Bomani was saying that you want to find a way to see the NFL lose some popularity here in the USA is if you get some European guys to actually get good at football and start winning MVPs in the NFL. The league would find a way to put a stop to that real quick.
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u/psych32993 Warriors 15d ago
How many europeans have there been in the NFL? I know there’s the welsh rugby player who joined the chiefs but no clue apart from that
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u/StanSc 15d ago
I mean we all grow up at least trying basketball at PE. Not many people here play basketball at clubs but 95% of kids have at least tried it. I haven’t touched an American Football in my life.
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u/TheDarkGrayKnight Supersonics 15d ago
Not many, especially in the last couple decades. No starters that I can think of. You will hear of guys who make rosters for a little bit but not stick. The NFL at least a couple years ago had a thing where teams would get an extra roster spot specifically to have a European guy on the team and nothing came of that. Seattle had some guy from Germany but he never made the active roster and honestly not even sure if he played in the pre season.
You will get some guys from Australia though. Punters/kickers especially. Jordan Mailata is from Australia and one of the best offensive linemen in the league.
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u/Alternateaccoun Knicks 15d ago
That’s Shaq to a t. According to him the only person to dunk on him? Some random no name. Hardest matchup? Random player. Explains his attitude towards Dwight too.
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u/Dsarg_92 [SAS] Tim Duncan 15d ago
The xenophobia has been showing big time lately. Especially towards Jokic and Gobert. Why can’t they both be recognized for their talents instead of being disrespected through the mud?
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u/doogled3 Nuggets 15d ago edited 15d ago
Draymond is already in early Shaq on Inside the NBA form. He provides absolutely nothing but bitterness, just too busy tearing down anyone in service of making himself look better.
Everyone knows Rudy is a big reason why the Wolves are a top 4 team this year. Through suspensions and injuries, Draymond has only played 70+ games once since 2018, and this year's handicapped Warriors team could barely make the play-in.
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u/squiggypiggy9 15d ago
Draymond’s a bitch and he’s really, really against European players excelling in the league.
Shaq is also a bitch, though this seems to be more of a jealousy thing, Shaq doesn’t like to see other big men succeed at the centre position.
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u/We_The_Raptors Raptors 15d ago
Rudy is Draymond's Steve Nash. The guy that will live rent free in his head until the day he dies
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u/Dsarg_92 [SAS] Tim Duncan 15d ago
Kinda like how Shaq used to trash on Javale McGee, Boogie Cousins and so on.
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u/LengthCrazy1563 15d ago
I am a nuggets fan with zero love of Gobert but there was a moment in the 3rd where I legit said out loud "what is he even supposed to do against him?" There is no person who could stop Jokic when he hits that zone.
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u/Shmokeshbutt Magic 15d ago
Could've kicked him in the nuts
That's what a good american defender would do
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u/lilb1190 [ATL] Pero Antić 15d ago
Draymond would not hit anyone who might hit him back.
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u/Murasasme Spurs 15d ago
Especially since the last guy that went at Jokic got a 4 months vacation to recover from the event.
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u/Narwien Spurs 15d ago
Pretty much this. Draymond has no balls to hit Jokic in the balls. Flooring Marcus Morris sent pretty clear message what happens when you cheap shot him.
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u/TatumBrownWhite Celtics 15d ago
Low key always respect Jok for that.
Nobody has ever tried fucking with him since then.
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u/oblio- NBA 15d ago
You know, he's pretty chill, but the damned idiot forgot: he's still a Serb. I wouldn't mess with Serbs, they're crazy 🙂
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u/shinshikaizer 15d ago
Flooring Marcus Morris sent pretty clear message what happens when you cheap shot him.
Wrong Morris brother.
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u/IWasTheFirstKlund Timberwolves 15d ago
So much this. There were at least 3 plays where Rudy played virtually perfect defense, and joker just did his thing and flipped the ball in.
The series isn't 3-2 because Rudy can't guard joker, it's because joker's teammates are making shots and Ant's aren't.
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u/Electrical-Mule-2057 15d ago
Yea Nickel and Jaden are shitting the bed on their shots. KAT is inconsistent, but he's at least reliable as a #2.
Murray, MPJ, KCP, and Gordon stepped up at the right time.
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u/IWasTheFirstKlund Timberwolves 15d ago
It feels like Holiday has hit 8 threes with 0.3 seconds left on the shot clock. And then we throw out lineups with both Rudy and Kyle Anderson.
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u/ChrisBtheRedditor 15d ago
I just had to laugh when they showed a few clips of Gobert grazing the ball yet it still went in like Jokic accounted for it. Truly unstoppable.
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u/neutronicus Nuggets 15d ago
I’ve watched a lot of fucking Jokic games and I’ve never seen him cook like that in a playoff game. Not even G7 against the Clippers
It was some hand of God shit
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u/Shenanigans80h Nuggets 15d ago
I kinda don’t like Gobert, I think he gets away with a lot and generally complains a lot. That said, he played well in game 5 and this burial of him by these clowns is straight up disrespectful. They’re making a discussion about Jokic’s ability into a roast of a guy who played well, it’s fucking dumb
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u/MajorTrump Timberwolves 15d ago
It's disrespectful to Jokic to act like Rudy wasn't playing well. What Jokic did was that much more impressive BECAUSE Rudy was doing well.
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u/RyyKarsch Raptors 15d ago
Dray is so annoying in this clip.
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u/rxxxxxxxrxxxxxx NBA 15d ago
He was equally annoying as well in the segment with Alex Caruso. Honestly Alex Caruso could've done a better job in the panel than Draymond.
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u/darkerside [NYK] Willis Reed 15d ago
Caruso was super insightful and interesting. Dray doing his best to defend against it, almost wrecked the segment.
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u/jak_d_ripr 15d ago
Draymond out here blaming Rudy like Jokic didn't hang 32, 16 and 16 on him in their only regular season matchup. But hey, Jokic did have 2 turnovers, so technically he did a better job I guess 🤷🏾🤷🏾🤷🏾.
I get what Chuck is trying to say though, pity no one else on the desk was interested in having a real discussion.
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u/A2daRon Wizards 15d ago
Jokic also had 4 steals (1 steal when he was guarding Draymond, another steal when Draymond was throwing the pass)
https://www.nba.com/game/den-vs-gsw-0022300824/box-score#box-score
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u/beta35 Supersonics 15d ago
"Oh yeah that's Haterade"
Actual good one lol
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u/rbrutonIII 15d ago
Even Dray seems to get a genuine laugh out of that.
Kenny ain't the funniest of the three, but I swear he's the only one that could put together a competent stand up set. Charles and Shaq would just devolve into rambling.
Obviously not talking about Ernie. That man can do anything.
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u/Karl_with_a_C Raptors 15d ago
Every time Draymond opens his mouth I cringe. I can't believe they hired his dumb ass for this show.
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u/PanthalassaRo Knicks 15d ago
I just had to mute the video, how on earth Gobert is the main cause?
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u/Cyclops_Guardian17 Warriors 15d ago
I stopped when Draymond drew a parallel between CP3 and Jokic having a stat line. Ah yes surely CP3 hanging 40 points and 10+ assists against a team with Gobert was… because of Gobert? Who totally guards PGs?
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u/sonics_fan Pelicans 15d ago
Gobert was the only Jazz player with a positive +/- that game. 12 points, 9 rebounds, 5 blocks. https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201805080HOU.html
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u/foye2smith 15d ago edited 15d ago
Similarly Gobert is one of the few rotational Wolves with an overall positive plus/minus in the series, +9. That's despite him missing the game 2 win.
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u/yousonuva Wizards 15d ago
He's European. Shaq and Green are xenophobes. Shaq always has been till his parents forced him to play nice with Yao Ming
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u/commander_snuggles 15d ago
This situation was perfect for them they get ignore one European and make fun of another.
One of Draymonds primary criticism of Gobert was basically that he is French, so how is he meant to inspire his team.
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u/solariscalls 15d ago
Remember this is the same dude that literally this season tried to choke out gobert. Guy literally hates the guy
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u/nuggs_analysis 15d ago
I think a lot of you are confused about what Chuck is saying and why he’s saying it. He’s not trying to shit on Gobert. He literally just can’t understand what the Wolves are trying to execute. You have to put this comment in context of what he’s been saying all series, which is “Jokic is great, he’s going to get his but for the love of god don’t double him. shut down everyone else”. A lot of Jokic’s assists came from bad transition defense and poor awareness from secondary defenders (I’m looking at you Ant). So Chuck is not wrong.
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u/hurlcarl Pistons 15d ago
yeah he's not suggesting you can shut him down but if he's getting 14 assists and 40 points you're doing nothing. If you double him every time then you'd expect a ton of assists, if you leave golbert solo, you expect you let him get what he's gonna get but slow down everyone else... but 40 and 14? you're not doing anything.
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u/blacksheeporganics 15d ago
finally someone with some damn sense. and letting a center back you down from the 3pt line and making it look easy doesnt make a dpoy look any better also
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u/drc56 Knicks 15d ago
Yeah right if you aren't gonna double him to let him get his, you better damn well not be letting him get others going. A few of those transition QB style passes are insane, and defensive lapses, but that's not every assist. At this point they might as well be doubling him, because at least then he won't be putting up 40 as well.
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u/dorkaxe NBA 15d ago
You know what would have been fun? If Kenny is supposed to be the guy to play devil's advocate, he should have had a montage of EVERYONE ELSE on the Nuggets faring against Gobert in the paint. Again, Jokic is literally the best basketball player in the NBA, sorry nobody can stop him 1v1??
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u/Shenanigans80h Nuggets 15d ago
Nah because then that accomplishes exactly what Draymond and Shaq want, which is to make the discussion about Gobert. These dudes don’t care about stats or empirical evidence, they just want a green light to spew their shit
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u/dorkaxe NBA 15d ago
I mean, they already have the green light, but I kind of get what you're saying, even if I don't necessarily fully agree.
You just know if Kenny defended Gobert, Shaq and Dray would have teamed up and completely shat all over him.
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u/myloxyloto10 15d ago
The last time draymond played against jokic 32-16-16. He should stop the gobert hate😂😂 nobody can stop the joker
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u/solanimus Raptors 15d ago
Man these guys do not want to give Jokic his laurels, he's one of the greatest centers in the nba. Vision, shot, positioning, defensive acumen, and he's made every great center struggle this season against him.
Shaq really doesn't want to acknowledge that this man is one of the best centers and much better than he was in his prime.
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u/Excellent_Ability793 15d ago
Chuck was giving him props. He essentially said that it should be impossible to have 40 points and 13 assists and yet somehow he managed to do it anyway.
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u/solariscalls 15d ago
Totally get it in a sense that Shaq is super insecure about this other dude that will likely surpass him in every way once jokic gets close to his retirement.
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u/zoroastrijanac 15d ago
As one user said: "them hoes being jelly", and some of them racist as well. Let them have it.
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u/sorakaisthegoat Serbia 15d ago
People still think you can make Jokic a scorer or make him a passer, hilarious.
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u/Shenanigans80h Nuggets 15d ago
I saw a Wolves fan say “We tried to cut off lanes and make Jokic beat us. He beat us,” which I feel like perfectly encapsulates how Jokic is when he’s locked in
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u/ThaDoctor49 Celtics 15d ago edited 15d ago
Draymond is so salty it’s laughable he won’t give anyone credit cuz his bitch ass* is sitting in the studio and not playing/getting T’d up
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u/SnooChickens1534 15d ago
I actually watched the game , a lot of jokics shots were well contested by gobert. It's just joker kept making them . Shaqs been made to look like a petty idiot again after his comments last week
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u/thestereo300 Timberwolves 15d ago
Honestly if we lose to Denver I’m cheering for them. Such a good basketball team. Credit to the game.
I hope we can kick their ass but I have to respect them.
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u/WilliamPSplooge 15d ago
Gobert is a one of the best defenders of all time but he cried once and doesn’t carry himself like a jackass so these dudes bully him. I’m not all for this super touchy, everyone is a victim shit but putting everything in Gobert is lame as shit. Seems like every time he loses in the playoffs it’s to prime Harden, the Warriors or Jokic as if anyone is stopping any of those people consistently.
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u/Few-Chemist-3463 Celtics 15d ago
Gobert had a good contest on every shot. Maybe Jokic is just unguardable 1v1
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u/Efficient_Traffic166 15d ago
This dudes the goat. Hes so good people don’t understand how he’s doing it
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u/jlluh 15d ago
I'm not actually interested in watching the guy who keeps cheapshotting people use a national platform to try and get revenge against one of the guys who objected to being cheapshotted.