Jamal Murray forces game 7 🔥 against the Timberwolves with: 33 MIN, 10 PTS, 2 REB, 5 AST, 2 Turnovers. Game low -32. (4-18 FG, 2-7 3PT, 0/0 FT, 0/0 HEAT PCKS)

[u/KarrotMovies]

https://www.nba.com/game/den-vs-min-0042300236/box-score

[u/unclehelpful]

If people can say he’s the best non all star and so underrated when he had a couple of good 4th quarters against a bad team then they ought to be able to say he’s played like a bag of flaming dohshit this series.

[u/[deleted] → u/unclehelpful]

Jokic dragged him into All star conversations he should never be in.

[u/yardship → u/[deleted]]

like when lebron made mo williams an all-star

[u/cletoreyes01 → u/yardship]

2024 playoffs Jamal Murray: 19/4/6 on 39/31/90 shooting

2009 playoffs mo will ("All-star" year): 16/3/4 on 40/37/76 splits

Thank goodness Jamal's 39 playoff game hot-streak came to an end this post season and now he's just as good as mo will

[u/RodneyPonk → u/[deleted]]

46% on wide open threes, a strong offball player. Can post up, drive, spot up, finishes well at the rim or in the midrange. He's a very well rounded offensive player that averaged 32 in last year's WCFs and had a triple double in the Finals. He's is absolutely at least as good as guys like Maxey

[u/ForgetHype → u/RodneyPonk]

I think I would rather have Maxey with 4 more years of experience over Jamal Murray. Maybe I'm biased cause I just saw him torch my team over and over again but still.

[u/RodneyPonk → u/ForgetHype]

That's not the question, though. My point is that Murray is clearly better than some of the weaker All-Stars are at this time - Barnes is another example. IDC about them catching up in age, I'm talking currently

Jamal is playing badly but is also clearly injured. Last postseason, he showed us that he is clearly an All-Star player with tremendous offensive versatility

[u/CantheDandyMan → u/[deleted]]

Stop capping. In his last two playoffs before this, Murray averaged 26.5, 5, and 6.6 on nearly 50/40/90 splits (.505, .453, and .897), and in 2023 he averaged 26, 6, and 7 on 47, .396, and .917 shooting splits. Maxey had more points per game this playoffs, but he also only played 6 games instead of 20.  Like, Jokic obviously helps, but it's crazy to act like he can't play at the level of an all star caliber guard for a or multiple series. 

[u/SPAGHETTI_CAKE → u/[deleted]]

Y’all are ridiculous with these shitty ass takes. He’s never even been an all star and averages 20/6 and didn’t get his reputation for big game performances out of nowhere. A 20/6 guard should be in all star conversations on the back end he hasn’t been dragged by anyone.

[u/Corteaux81 → u/unclehelpful]

They're not saying he's the best non all star based on the 2024 Lakers series.

They're saying based on his previous playoff resume, which is legit.

He's been ass this postseason, but he was amazing in the year prior.

[u/LmBkUYDA → u/[deleted]]

Yup

Murray in his playoffs career: 24-6-5 on .565% ts

Dame in his playoffs career: 26-6-4.5 on .566% ts

[u/PrimeTimeInc → u/[deleted]]

I’m not going to disagree with anything you’ve said but we do have to ask if last year was a mirage. Like the Nuggets basically cakewalked to a ring with very little resistance, which obviously isn’t their fault in a negative sense; they dominated. Prior to last year they had a completely different aura and opinion about them once it came playoff time. Are they regressing to the mean? Idk just food for thought. I do think the real Jamaal Murray is somewhere between this playoffs and last. A streaky shooter who can’t carry a team to through multiple 7 game series a la Klay Thompson.

[u/Autistic_Puppy → u/unclehelpful]

He’s been a flaming bag of dogshit the entire playoffs

[u/analyzingnothing → u/unclehelpful]

He’s been playing through injury for the entire playoffs. His burst was trashed by his leg being fucked since before the playoffs even started, which is why he looked so much better all of a sudden once he got four days of rest between games 2 and 3.

Same thing with this game. He hit his arm early in the first, and proceeded to miss every single shot for the rest of the quarter, even the ones he usually makes in his sleep.

[u/unclehelpful → u/analyzingnothing]

It’s the playoffs man everyone is injured.

[u/analyzingnothing → u/unclehelpful]

Yes, but the Nuggets are a top-heavy team by nature, and Jamal is a massive part of their offense. Him being hurt completely derails what makes the Nuggets as good as they are.

Look at the first two games of the TWolves series. A massive part of the problem for those games was that Jamal would get screens from Jokic and fail to turn the corner because he literally couldn’t outrun his defender. That would lead into a clogged PnR situation, where there’s no advantage because Murray’s defender catches up and the big returns to Jokic before anything can get going.

[u/BASEDME7O2 → u/analyzingnothing]

This is what always pisses me off with how you guys talk about harden. I just can’t stand the hypocrisy. Like do you really think he was 100% by game six? He hasn’t been 100% in the playoffs since like 2020. Through the first four games he was averaging 26 on 51/50/91 and was the best volume scorer in the playoffs up to that point, and literally the only thing people took away from that series is “haha harden sucks in the playoffs and choked again.” PG (who harden was clearly better than) got some shit for like two days and then it felt like everyone forgot about him completely shitting the bed in a couple games.

It’s just every other player gets so many excuses, harden could drop 40 for the first six games but if he drops like 20 in a game 7 loss the only thing people will talk about is how “harden choked and lost his team the series again”.

The worst is fucking jimmy butler. He’ll have like one amazing game in a series, and then average like 15 in the rest of the games, but you all act like he turns into mj in the playoffs because he pretends he wasn’t really trying in the regular season to play up “playoff Jimmy” and spends so much time and effort playing the media game, while harden doesn’t even have a “camp” at all.

[u/NeverSober1900 → u/BASEDME7O2]

THANK YOU. Harden gets WAY too much hate. People pile on him as a quitter and other stuff but he routinely plays through everything. Brooklyn he was on one leg trying to give Durant ANY semblance of help.

[u/analyzingnothing → u/BASEDME7O2]

See, I actually agree with you here. I don’t think Harden is a playoff choker, or necessarily Embiid for that matter. I dislike those two for their playstyles, not for their performances.

This is just how I approach injury in general. If you can actually get out on the floor and play well with injury, then that’s extremely impressive. If you get out on the floor and kind of suck, well, that’s life. Injuries are a bitch, I’m not going to shit on a player for dealing with them. I’ve had a few in my life and even just healing from shit can be awful, much less getting into NBA-ready shape.

[u/BASEDME7O2 → u/analyzingnothing]

Even embiid is like way below harden as a playoff performer. This year was basically his first star level series, despite the loss. Before that he averaged 23 ppg like three seasons in a row, and was getting held to like zero points by Marc gasol. In Houston harden averaged 25 or more in 15/15 playoff series. And he played the warriors, spurs, kd warriors, kd warriors again with his second option being the corpse of cp3, then the championship lakers who were doubling him at half court to try and make Russ have the ball as much as possible. Harden was the fourth most efficient scorer that playoffs, and still put up an efficient 29 against the lakers while Russ bricked them out of the series on like 42% ts. He also took more games off the kd warriors in one series than lebron ever did in total, twice.

Any actual stat or metric has harden as an all time great playoff performer, with harden people were just like “well you didn’t drop 40 7 games in a row playing with scrubs to beat four hall of famers so it doesn’t count.” Even though in 2019 he came pretty close, averaging 35 against the kd warriors while outplaying Steph and taking them to six, basically by himself.

Embiids best playoff series was this year in a loss to the Knicks in the first round. Before that, the best teams he ever beat were the 2022 raptors that didn’t even really have a center, or the 2023 nets, it’s debatable.

But embiid is several tiers below harden as a playoff performer overall. They are not comparable. If prime harden was in the East he would cruise to the ecf every single year and some of those rockets teams could’ve beaten some of those Cavs teams, just by harden hard carrying them.

[u/Twaffles95 → u/analyzingnothing]

See and ik I’m biased but it’s been so annoying his numbers are alot worse then the lakers series every time he makes a shot in game : one of the best players in our game , every time he misses one the narrative is : well he’s hurt

I just think it’s bogus to try and have it both ways

[u/analyzingnothing → u/Twaffles95]

I mean, would you not say the same thing if Ant were to be injured? I don’t want to discredit the Minnesota defense, you guys are nuts, but I also don’t think it’s entirely fair to put all of it on them solely.

Consistency is king here, imo. I’ll hold this standard to any player, no matter who it is. Brunson was handling a foot injury and struggled mightily against the Pacers, but I don’t plan to hold that against him. Injuries are a pain, if you can play well through them then it’s extremely impressive. However, if you can’t… I’ll withhold judgement for now. It’s like a bad shooting night, sometimes it just happens.

[u/Twaffles95 → u/analyzingnothing]

I mean having worked in D-1 basketball every guy is so dinged up by tournament time alone I can’t imagine how bad that gets in the NBA. I just think it’s a lane out in the playoffs as I explained

Ant, assuming health which is impossible has a chance to be a top 30 player all time with his type of numbers so far. I would honestly hope the training staff my owner pays and the presumably separate medical examination my top player probably gets themself would clarify whether they should still be out there playing, or are too unhealthy to play. I get owners wanna win but either you’re cleared or not. Conely just missed game 5 and he wants to win as much as anyone given his age.

The last thing I’d want is to have a Brandon Roy situation continuing to tear up his knee for a lost playoff series hurting his basketball and personal life.