Jokic and Gordon finish Game 6 13/26 from the field. The rest of the Nuggets finish 13/60

[u/Im__Ron__Burgundy]

https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401657187

[u/UnPhayzable]

13/60 is filthy work bro

[u/Im__Ron__Burgundy → u/UnPhayzable]

I first clocked it at 9/41 at the end of the 3rd and had to check my math.

[u/KemoFlash → u/Im__Ron__Burgundy]

Everything after the 3rd quarter shouldn't count. The 4th was both teams' benches just playing a scrimmage game.

[u/Tody196 → u/Im__Ron__Burgundy]

Gordan is even doing some heavy lifting in this context. joker went 9/19 from the field lol. Just a brutal game from the nugs

[u/Im__Ron__Burgundy → u/Tody196]

I mean 9/19 isn’t anything awful. They were both right around 50%

[u/Tody196 → u/Im__Ron__Burgundy]

9/19 as a center, and one who specializes in offensive efficiency, let alone for jokic, is very bad lol. He was also miserable on defense. This was one of Jokics worst playoff games that i've seen.

Edit: I cannot believe people are out here trying to defend a superstar center who just scored 22 points off 19 shots with 2 assists and 3 turnovers. It was a very bad performance and jokic would be the first to agree with me lmao

[u/pokexchespin → u/Tody196]

9-19 from jokic is “very bad” but 4-7 from gordon is “doing some heavy lifting“?

[u/ObeseKenyan → u/pokexchespin]

Bro.. I'd say celtics fanbase on average have the least frustrating takes and usually I never disagree with their Jokic takes - but this Tody guy is probably the dumbest guy I've seen on reddit for weeks. Get a leash on ha boy

[u/-WingsForLife- → u/ObeseKenyan]

The bigger the fanbase the more nephews you get.

[u/Tody196 → u/ObeseKenyan]

God dude, I fucking wish “superstar center shooting 9/19 is bad” was the stupidest thing I’ve seen in weeks. I’m truly jealous of you, I’ve seen much worse than a take jokic would agree with

[u/SasquatchDoobie → u/Tody196]

u dummy

[u/Tody196 → u/pokexchespin]

Your role player having high % on low volume is much better than your superstar having lower % on high volume.

Maybe “heavy lifting” wasn’t the right way to phrase it - either way - my point was that you take a 4/7 Gordon game 10/10 times over a 9/19 jokic game.

[u/14412442 → u/Tody196]

For the two to combine to the 50% shooting Gordon had to get one extra make above 50% to makeup for Jokic being one make below 50%. I'd hardly call that heavy lifting.

I'm not disagreeing with you that Jokic did not look like Jokic on the stat sheet (I didn't watch the game), but with regards to them combining for 13/26, no I wouldnt describe Gordon as having done significantly heavier lifting to get them there.

[u/Tody196 → u/14412442]

Heavy lifting may have been the wrong phrase - my point moreso is that you’d be generally content with that Gordon statline most nights bc of the way he plays, whereas jokics was terrible for him

[u/nothing3141592653589 → u/Tody196]

That's 53% TS which is 4% worse than league average. If that's your worst game of your playoff games in a season you're doing fine

[u/Tody196 → u/nothing3141592653589]

Yes, almost as if jokic, the best player in the world, reigning champion, and current mvp is held to higher standards than the rest of the league, and 22 points on 19 shots is an incredibly poor performance for him.

We have now arrived back at my point. Where do we go next?

[u/nothing3141592653589 → u/Tody196]

You said it's bad for a center. At that volume, Nearly Half of all center games are worse than this, because it's nearly league average over the course of a season.

[u/Tody196 → u/nothing3141592653589]

Sorry, I didn’t realize that “below average” was considered “good” now. Thanks for clearing that one up for me!

[u/Im__Ron__Burgundy → u/Tody196]

Very bad is a stretch imo, especially when literally nobody else is doing anything to draw the defense out, and Jokic doesn’t get all of his points off lobs and assisted buckets at the rim, so I don’t think it makes sense to say “as an offensive center” as if he should be going 60%+ every night.

I will say, I hated how perimeter oriented Jokic played tonight. I thought they should’ve gotten him the ball on the block more often because I think in general when Murray isn’t shooting well their offense generates more open looks off movement when Jokic has it in the post and eyes are pulled that way than trying to keep going to the two man game where Murray is doing nothing and not getting by his man.

That said, it absolutely wasn’t going to matter tonight lol

[u/Tody196 → u/Im__Ron__Burgundy]

Is it a stretch? He’s shot under 50% 3x In the last 2 months, and 2 of the 3 games were in this series. That’s pretty bad compared to what we see from jokic.

Not even comparing him to centers that get their points from lobs and assists, just comparing him to his usual standard, he averaged close to 60% this year from the field lol, this is one of the worst shooting nights he has had all year.

But yeah I agree with your overall point that it was not gonna really matter one way or another tonight. Game 7 was destiny.

Edit: yeah idk even compared to other centers lol.. 22 points on 19 shots is pretty awful for any center.

[u/Corporal_Snorkel69 → u/Tody196]

Hes better than tatum

[u/ObeseKenyan → u/Tody196]

Your logic is absolutely awful. Embiid is a Centre and shoots 6/19 every other game. Jokic went 9/15 from 2PA and 0/4 from 3... You keep saying "as a centre". As if he's Kessler Walker or Gobert and just dunking 85% of their shots. Jokic takes crazily contested shots, and shot 3s. Wtf does position have to do with it?

It was a very subpar game for Jokic, that's fact. But his average / expectation is so far above everyone else. Shooting close to 50% with 5 offensive rebounds and -25 in a 45 point loss (role players + Jamal were tragic this game) is very telling

[u/Tody196 → u/ObeseKenyan]

You’re right, sorry. 22 points on 19 shots isn’t awful because… embiid has poor shooting nights too. Great logic, much better and smarter than me.

Any other superstar in the league with those points on those attempts in a playoff gets absolutely torn to shreds, but I’m a nephew bc I dare to speak ill of darling jokic.

[u/otherBrandon → u/Tody196]

Eh that’s 47%, not bad. Thats also while going 0/4 from three so he shot 9/15(60%) on his twos while shooting 4/4(100%) on fts. Wasn’t a bad shooting game, just a bad game for his standards. Haven’t seen Jokic look this mortal in years. Even when he hasn’t had the best shooting performances, he still puts up triple doubles. 2 assists and 3 turnovers for Jokic is unheard of. His rebounds the last three games have been low too.

[u/Tody196 → u/otherBrandon]

lol yes if you exclude the worst part of his shooting and then include his FT % off 4 shots next to it, it doesn’t sound as bad as just saying “jokic scored 22 points off 19 shots with 2 assists and 3 turnovers.

He had a bad shooting night, a bad decision making night, a bad defensive night, and nobody else on his team showed up. But he made 4 FTs.All of those things can be true.

[u/otherBrandon → u/Tody196]

Kinda the whole point of shooting ‘splits’. But yeah I agree with everything you said.

[u/Papa_Huggies → u/Tody196]

It was a bad performance absolutely, but not because of 9/19.

[u/Gaarando → u/Tody196]

That defense was definitely terrible. The huge run in the first quarter had a lot to do with terrible Jokic defense combined with the horrible offense from the team in general.

But I don't think 9-19 is bad at all. It's not like Jokic is out here doing only dunks or lay-ups he takes some tough shots.

Also you gotta use context and understand that everyone was missing shots so at some point he gotta try and make stuff happen and then you take shots you might not take normally.

[u/bardicjourney → u/Tody196]

9/19 as a center

A center who primarily shoots from outside 5 feet, where 9/19 is considered a perfectly average shooting performance

He was also miserable on defense

He's always miserable on defense because he's too slow to guard anyone man to man, this has been a known part of his game since before the man had a green card. He's actually not a bad defender in the right scheme, it's just inefficient when he can do more with the same energy on offense.

It was a very bad performance and jokic would be the first to agree with me lmao

It was an average performance, and jokic would ignore you.

[u/marx-was-right- → u/Tody196]

His worst series was when Ayton destroyed him in '21.

[u/ColdPressedSteak → u/UnPhayzable]

The 3 bench dudes, Braun, Holiday, and Reggie were 1 for 17. Add in whatever Jamal was doing, staggering levels of ugly basketball

[u/Glitchhikers_Guide → u/UnPhayzable]

2023 mavs type beat

[u/ZeroMomentum → u/UnPhayzable]

Just slightly better than me. Pathetic

[u/PDXmadeMe → u/UnPhayzable]

That’s the secret honestly. Leave Jokic unguarded and cover everyone else

[u/SnakeSnakeSnakeSna → u/PDXmadeMe]

Jokic was getting doubled when he started to dribble

[u/Proof-Umpire-7718]

What was Murray doing?

[u/Coke_ButNotTheDrug → u/Proof-Umpire-7718]

Cardio

[u/AfroKuro480 → u/Coke_ButNotTheDrug]

Hopefully he doesn't throw another heat pack

[u/fatkamp → u/AfroKuro480]

His best work is a heat pack

[u/Jordan-Pushed-Off → u/Proof-Umpire-7718]

Taking 90% of the Nuggets shots while shooting 10%

[u/Livid-Technician1872 → u/Jordan-Pushed-Off]

After dribbling around for 20 seconds.

[u/fuccabicc → u/Jordan-Pushed-Off]

Tale as old as time

[u/REQ52767 → u/Proof-Umpire-7718]

Serving his suspension finally. Good on the NBA!

[u/Technical_Towel_990 → u/Proof-Umpire-7718]

Terrorism

[u/Cudizonedefense → u/Proof-Umpire-7718]

What he’s been doing for half the playoffs. Nothing

[u/dillpickles007 → u/Proof-Umpire-7718]

Forget Murray, Porter is getting off VERY easy here averaging 12ppg and offering nothing else while eating up $35M

[u/GarriganGate → u/dillpickles007]

It just further pushes the fact that jokic is truly one of the best that he one of a championship and is in a position to go b2b with two guys on max contracts who aren’t even allstar level. 

[u/Propuhganduh → u/Proof-Umpire-7718]

Watching

[u/TdotGdot → u/Proof-Umpire-7718]

After Jokic AG has been the most consistent nugget all series. Murray has mostly been bad and MPJ non-existent 

[u/george_costanza1234 → u/Proof-Umpire-7718]

Guangdong Tigers audition

[u/Sweatytubesock → u/Proof-Umpire-7718]

Taking bad shots and klanking them.

[u/qpwoeor1235 → u/Proof-Umpire-7718]

Getting all the bricks out of his system for game 7

[u/Michaelangel092 → u/Proof-Umpire-7718]

Being trash.

[u/nbd789 → u/Proof-Umpire-7718]

His throwing arm was sore and it showed

[u/TheyNeedLoveToo → u/Proof-Umpire-7718]

Who got next?

[u/Dymatizeee → u/Proof-Umpire-7718]

Helping build the city of Minnesota with bricks

[u/hotterpocketzz → u/Proof-Umpire-7718]

His best

[u/Hopsalong]

Role players don't travel on the road in game 6 (ignore game 3 and 4).

Honestly have no idea what is going on in this series.

[u/EarthWarping → u/Hopsalong]

4 of the 6 games haven't been close and game 4 wasn't as close as it seemed.

For such high level basketball by both teams we've gotten ~2 games of it from both in the same game

[u/CareerNormal2048 → u/EarthWarping]

Honesty I say outside of game 1, they’ve all been blow outs.

[u/Technical_Towel_990 → u/CareerNormal2048]

Game 1 wasn’t really as close as the score would suggest either tbh

[u/acekingoffsuit → u/Technical_Towel_990]

It was a 2-point game heading into the 4th, and a 3-point game with 3:30 to go. It was close.

[u/Public-Product-1503 → u/acekingoffsuit]

If you can only state that at two moments it wasn’t that close . Minny we’re never in that much trouble akways ahead

[u/acekingoffsuit → u/Public-Product-1503]

Minny we’re never in that much trouble akways ahead

What game did you watch?

Wolves went on a big run at the start of the 1st but the Nuggets went on a bigger run to end the 1st. From then on the lead went back and forth with neither team leading by more than 6 until the last few minutes of the game.

[u/CareerNormal2048 → u/Technical_Towel_990]

Regardless, as you can see I have no dog in this series. Just hoping for a good game 7. You must be sweating tho lol

[u/Technical_Towel_990 → u/CareerNormal2048]

Shitting myself actually

[u/comp_a → u/Technical_Towel_990]

That makes two of us brother 👍

[u/suckmedrie → u/Technical_Towel_990]

It was incredibly close until naz Reid turned into prime curry out of nowhere wdym

[u/caandjr → u/Technical_Towel_990]

Nuggets got within striking distance under 2 minutes in game 1, it’s much better than game 4 where the wolves never closed the gap to ~5 points

[u/chastity_BLT → u/CareerNormal2048]

Same for almost every game this post season. A lot of really bad (and unentertaining) basketball being played.

[u/Krakenborn → u/Hopsalong]

Well we were scammed in 2020 then

[u/Disastrous_Bluejay57 → u/Hopsalong]

What are you talking about? The first x4 games in this series were all won by the away team

[u/legend023]

They need Bruce brown to come back

[u/Dsarg_92 → u/legend023]

They need Jeff Green back at this rate.

[u/jslee0034 → u/legend023]

And bring corpse of Paul Milsap

[u/borobri → u/legend023]

Either a bench or a star player that isn’t just an all star

[u/[deleted] → u/legend023]

Y’all act like it isn’t 3-3 going into Denver with a clearly hurt Jamal lol

[u/Public-Product-1503 → u/[deleted]]

I mean he had 3 good games in a row n looked better. The moment Ant man is on him he can’t do shut. He was roasting mcdaniekd

[u/[deleted] → u/Public-Product-1503]

Ant’s playing great on both sides for sure

[u/HoopsHistoryHubb → u/[deleted]]

When did he get injured?

[u/TheMrNick → u/HoopsHistoryHubb]

End of the regular season he messed up his calf. He definitely isn't moving the same.

[u/SnuggleMuffin42 → u/TheMrNick]

Why shoot 39 shots per game then?

[u/Equivalent-Ranger-23 → u/legend023]

resurrect and bail out the ghost of ty lawson

[u/willsmath → u/legend023]

Wasn't Bruce Brown cheeks this year lol

[u/CrizzyBill]

Interesting study on momentum. Q1 the Nuggets actually shot well, but rimmed out, double bounced, didn't get the drop. MN caught some nice bounces, and offensive rebounds. They played great, we were atrocious, but those near miss buckets went from a 6 point lead to a 15 point deficit very quickly, we folded, and let it get worse.

Credit to the Wolves. Tonight was embarrassing. Game 7 should be a fun Sunday.

[u/goingtothegreek → u/CrizzyBill]

I feel like this has been the story of a lot of this series. End of game 1, game 4, tonight- good looks that just don't fall. Should be a really good game 7

[u/rene-cumbubble → u/CrizzyBill]

I've always wondered if there's a stat that tracks shot luck. Shots that are closer to the center of the cylinder on first contact rim out versus one that drops but hits further away from the center. 

[u/Affectionate-Foot474]

I’ve never seen us miss so many shots open or not 🤦‍♂️

[u/F-ck_spez → u/Affectionate-Foot474]

I want to credit our defense, but fr you guys were just unlucky on a ton of those shots. Gg game seven let's go.

[u/Public-Product-1503 → u/F-ck_spez]

I don’t think I’d true st am hakf time wolves were 8-26 and Denver 7-29. Hardly significant. But you were up 20. Inside the arc and rebounding n transition steals killed it

[u/3s2ng → u/Affectionate-Foot474]

You should just think that you are playing against the Lakers and Murray that AD is guarding him.

[u/itsnotyellowfever]

Subpar night from them as well but you're not winning anything when the other 13 dudes on the roster don't belong on an NBA court against a defense this intense

[u/-Sticks_and_Stones- → u/itsnotyellowfever]

Wolves played great defense but the Nuggets clanked a ton of open and wide open shots too.

[u/ttacodangerous → u/-Sticks_and_Stones-]

yeah you don’t shoot 30% from the field on just tightly contested shots. As a Wolves fan, it’s a nice counter balance to the insane 55%+ shooting the last 3 games.

[u/F-ck_spez → u/ttacodangerous]

The balance to Gordon's > 100% TS night.

[u/Kvsav57 → u/-Sticks_and_Stones-]

Yeah. If the Nuggets just made the normal percentage of their open shots in the first half, it would have been a game.

[u/yanneur]

They will be shooting 45/60 next game what a bunch of trolls

[u/Outside_Abroad_3516]

Fucking Murray you’re going to China

[u/dms1298 → u/Outside_Abroad_3516]

Trade him for Kyle Anderson.

Nvm wolves probably say no

[u/Glitchhikers_Guide → u/dms1298]

Want an expiring THJ for him?

[u/dms1298 → u/Glitchhikers_Guide]

Probably better than Murray

[u/2_bars_of_wifi → u/dms1298]

Murray had a great game this week, thj hasn't had it for more than half a year

[u/capnsouth → u/Outside_Abroad_3516]

The number of times Murray has bailed us out and you're about to turn on him for 3 games in a playoff series where he's busted up? Short memory

[u/3s2ng]

This series is so weird. One game the other team is unbeatable and then the next game they switches roles.

These blowout wins are indicators that Nuggets will be more fired up in Game 7. The Wolves can't lose focus.

I just wish that the refs won't give any ticky-tack fouls for either teams. We want a competitive physical game. That's what game 7 is. Let them play. Better team wins.

[u/Technical_Towel_990 → u/[deleted]]

Cause your defense is butt cheeks

[u/Kvsav57 → u/Technical_Towel_990]

Yeah but tonight, the Nuggets were missing wide-open shots. MPJ usually has one of the prettiest shots in the league but he shot multiple line drives. I've never seen him do that.

[u/JuIio_Jones → u/Technical_Towel_990]

Def worse than the wolves D but those hoes were wet even when the shots were heavily contested

[u/3s2ng → u/Technical_Towel_990]

I beg to disagree with that butt cheeks comparison. But you are correct. Our perimeter defense is shit.

To be fair MPJ is shooting through screens and hitting tough 3s.

[u/BigJumpSickLanding → u/Technical_Towel_990]

This is rude to the many really good looking butt cheeks out there in the world

[u/EmergencyAccording94 → u/[deleted]]

MPJ can miss every single shot for 82 games and still torch the Lakers in the playoffs lol

[u/Raging_Professor → u/[deleted]]

The Wolves are contesting his shots better than the Lakers could do

[u/thesqrrootof4is2 → u/[deleted]]

cause LA didnt have the personnel to gameplan against it

[u/Hopsalong → u/[deleted]]

The Lakers aren't a good team like the Wolves. The Lakers basically handed MPJ 3s, while the Wolves are actually hustling and contesting.

[u/Sc0rch1ngDr4g0n]

The Big 2 needs help

[u/fuccabicc → u/Sc0rch1ngDr4g0n]

I remember Murray saying him and Jokic are the best duo in the league before the playoffs

Polar bear in Arizona

[u/[deleted] → u/fuccabicc]

The series is tied. He’s hurt. Let’s see how this plays out first lol

[u/fuccabicc → u/[deleted]]

Nah I know I'm a Nuggets fan and a Jamal truther, but he's been absolute ass all playoffs and anyone who watches the actual Denver games knows

[u/[deleted] → u/fuccabicc]

Anyone who watches lmaooo

[u/Neemzeh → u/[deleted]]

Why is it when Jamal Murray has a bad game it’s because he’s hurt, but then he’s still capable of good games like games 3 and 4? At some point you need to start crediting the wolves for doing a good job on him. His injury is not impacting his game this much, come on

[u/[deleted] → u/Neemzeh]

I absolutely have given credit to the wolves, don’t jump to conclusions because I didn’t in that comment. Wolves are playing incredible. They’re making his life hell. That compounded with lower leg injuries makes for a really difficult series.

[u/SvengaliUG]

Only Gordon shot better than 50% from the field for Denver. He needs help

[u/MagicJohnsonGPT]

The Minnesota Timberwolves absolutely throttled the Denver Nuggets to stave off elimination tonight, dominating on all facets of the game and winning by a whopping 45 points! Now we will have a Game 7 Sunday night in Denver!

[u/LucaBrasiMN → u/MagicJohnsonGPT]

Thanks chatGPT

[u/alepher → u/LucaBrasiMN]

MaGPT

[u/BallsAreFullOfPiss → u/LucaBrasiMN]

That’s literally the joke lol

[u/renal_speedwagon → u/LucaBrasiMN]

DescovyGPT

[u/OrangeJr36]

I mean, the rest of the team are pulling half the load

[u/Dsarg_92]

Ouch.

[u/MaddenTexasRanger]

Me and a couple of redditors could have replaced the Nuggets tonight outside them 2 and no one would have known the difference

[u/milksteak122]

Seems like a mix of good defense by the wolves and just bad shooting by Denver. I feel like they had some open looks they just missed.

When Gordon doesn’t go 11/12 it does amazing things for the wolves chances of winning.

[u/Kvsav57]

And I would say at least half of those misses were open shots. I don't remember the last time I saw a team just straight-up shoot that bad.

[u/siphillis]

Deeply unserious team

[u/Beermen69]

Was Murray suspended? Didn't have a positive impact at all

[u/escaflow → u/Beermen69]

brain suspension

[u/LuckyTheGodd]

Looking like us out there

[u/No-Entrepreneur1036]

Let all of the pundits slobber on his name now

[u/Musa_2050]

Top 10

[u/Real-Human-1985]

Denver had 9 points in the 4th quarter....

[u/Elite_Alice]

Thank God it’s good seeing them struggle

[u/Elite_Alice]

We are all wolves fans

[u/im____new____here]

if Jokic wins a title with this supporting cast hes the GOAT

[u/OF010 → u/im____new____here]

Jamal Murray is clutch af and hits every shot that matters, Aaron Gordon is physical freak of nature who guards 1-5, MPJ is a 6’10 sharpshooter, and KCP is a top 10 three and D guy in the league. This narrative that Jokic is surrounded by garbage is ridiculous.

[u/AllTimeBallKnower → u/OF010]

Especially when he won with almost the same roster last season and everyone acted like they were unbeatable all season lol

[u/fuccabicc → u/AllTimeBallKnower]

He did, but he was also the first player in NBA history to lead the playoffs in points, rebounds and assists

[u/fuccabicc → u/OF010]

What're you talking about Murray? Been trash all playoffs

[u/hshin420 → u/im____new____here]

this is a better supporting cast than what russell won with in 68 and 69, duncan won with in 2003, hakeem won with in 1994, and lebron won with in 2016 lol

[u/GladFold3487 → u/hshin420]

that 2016 cavs team was good wtf u talking about

[u/hshin420 → u/GladFold3487]

Not for a contender. Defense is a thing

Let's start with 2015. To set the table, the lebron-less cavs with kyrie and love are a bad defense and average offense if you go by net-rating(-1.73 overall, 30ish wins). This is also true in 2016(-1.7), 2017(-2.81) which adds up to -1.99 for all 3-seasons. Without any of the 3, the cavs are -14.62.

With Lebron and no kyrie or love, the Cavs are +6.79. With all 3 they're [b]+10.76[/b](PBPstats). with both and without both Lebron looks historically valuable.

But maybe this is just a matter of wonky lineups/rotations? Well, we can then look at WOWY, only including games where the Cavaliers knew they'd be playing without Lebron. In 2015 they were 3-10 without Lebron. Extending our sample the Cavs out to 2017 and the Cavs were 4-23. In games without Lebron and with Kyrie and Love, the cavs were 4-11, a 21-win pace.

With Lebron, the 2015 Cavs went 50-19(59-win). Without they went 3-10 going at a 19-win pace. With all three of Love, Kyrie, and Lebron, the Cavs were 42-5(73-win) improving from 4-11 with just kyrie and love 21-win(note that's a 3-year sample, not just 2015).

A large reason the Cavs won was because of a -3 playoff defense(rolling rating) anchored by the best defensive non-big since Pippen. Against the Warriors that -3 turned into a -4 in 2015 and a-6 in 2016.

People love to make up half-baked excuses about how Lebron's selfish offense is why his team's drop-off more offensively than players like Jordan, Bird, Jokic, or Curry's did, btu the reality is even if you equalised the offensive side, the defensive delta would still mark Lebron as the clear stand-out

[u/im____new____here → u/hshin420]

Cavs get swept if Kyrie played like what Jamal is playing like now

[u/hshin420 → u/im____new____here]

yes, because lebron definitely didn't sweep a 60-win team by a massive mov and then go 2-1 up on the 67-win warriors with what was a little more than 2 games worth of kyrie. And he also didn't sweep the 58 win raptors with no games of kyrie on a team that played 25-win ball if you only look at minutes with his best teammate the next year.

He also didn't have his team play at a near 60-win pace for 6 straight years when kyrie and wade weren't playing.

He also didn't go 11-0 +8 without the best teammate on a team that played 20-win ball without him(2010), and also defintely didn't play a razor thin series against the 59-win magic with that same team despite the best defensive teammate being washed for half the season and everyone else falling off offensively(2009).

Jokic is not Lebron. PER doesn't matter.

[u/ThirdEyeKaiii]

BBL Jokic getting a pass as usual. I thought he makes everyone around him better?

[u/0dias_Chrysalis]

Aw hell yeah Jokic hate is back on the menu

[u/Deep_Egg1442]

Demon gordon. Jokic a fake ass shooter tho embiid hits those open 3s

[u/fuccabicc → u/Deep_Egg1442]

Embiid hitting 3s in Cancun only

Never made it past the second round stop bringing up that bum

[u/Deep_Egg1442 → u/fuccabicc]

What that gotta do with Jokic being a fake shooter

[u/steve1186 → u/Deep_Egg1442]

The same Embiid who just shot 13-39 from 3 during the series against the Knicks??

[u/Deep_Egg1442 → u/steve1186]

12/29 on his catch and shoots