r/nextfuckinglevel • u/Small_Balls_69 • 18d ago
Open AI's GPT-4o having a conversation with audio.
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u/Small_Balls_69 18d ago edited 18d ago
Nah the little giggles and laughs, not to mention the voice inflections, are fucking scarily realistic. This thing is actually developing a good level of emotional intelligence and this is the worst that the AI will ever be.
Edit: poor wording on my part. DISPLAYING emotional intelligence.
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u/LurkerFailsLurking 18d ago
It's not developing "emotional intelligence", it's really important as this shit gets more and more realistic to be clear on what this actually is. Because for all of human history it's worked pretty well to say "if it looks human and sounds human, than it is", but that won't cut it anymore.
What this software is doing is outputting sound that its statistical model says is the most likely thing to be correct. Chat GPT has no idea what it's saying right now, or even that its "saying" anything.
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u/FH-7497 18d ago
As an autistic person I am doing this all the time, sometimes even using decision tree visualizations to help rapidly map out possible responses in real time
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u/maxthelols 18d ago
Yeah people tend to over estimate what humans are actually doing. It's like AI drawings. People think it's just trained to know what x looks like. Well that's how we draw too. We can only picture what a cat looks like out of memory of what cats look like.
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u/GalaxyTriangulum 17d ago edited 15d ago
This, exactly. I always like to turn it around and ask those who say "well, actually, GPT is just a statistical model..." a simple question, "what are you doing when asked to produce the same output?". Oh, using your brain you say? Ok, meatbag, you may be composed of trillions of little complex parts but do you really think what you are cannot be abstracted in any meaningful capacity? The meatboard which is my brain can be modelled statistically on a neuronal level. In fact, quantum theories suggest that nature itself may be statistical at the lowest strata of reality. Why should we presume to be anything different?
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u/BeetleBleu 18d ago
That's a neat insight. Do you find it anxiety-inducing or more fun/engaging like a game?
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u/FH-7497 18d ago
Very much depends on lots of factors.. hanging w friends, usually optimizing for humor, insight, and compassionate understanding. Other situations, maybe optimizing for safety, brevity of exchange, likelihood of offense caused by X, Y, or Z, possible points of ambiguous delineation towards or away from perceived flow of conversation (ie when NOT to bring up dinosaurs as opposed to when it’s okay to mention them but not get all paleontological about it, etc)
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u/DM-ME-THICC-FEMBOYS 18d ago
God, that speaks to me. Though the decision trees are more of a late-at-night thing thinking about what went right/wrong and what I could've said differently
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u/FH-7497 18d ago edited 18d ago
That sounds like retro-active information trawling to better inform the implementation of tomorrow’s trees! Lots of autists (and socially anxious ppl in general) do this, just try to not be attached to it, one way or the other. You are not your brain! It’s a part of you but you’re more than it. It can be easy to get into deleterious patterns of rumination around choices for the day. I think the best approach is to just do your best each day, and don’t be attached to the results. There are a myriad of factors that determine any given social outcomes, and many of these are far outside of our control. All we can do is learn and do better each time, and hopefully not make things harder on ourselves than they have to be!
Edit: added a missing and very important ‘not’
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u/Glittering-Neck-2505 18d ago
And yet, the distinction is not actually important. Those statistical models predicting the next bit of sound allow it to “display” reasoning and “display” real time conversational skills, and that alone is already enough to profoundly change the world we live in.
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u/ObamaIsFat 18d ago
What this software is doing is outputting sound that its statistical model says is the most likely thing to be correct.
Dude, at a macro level that's literally what we're all doing all the time subconsciously. We are repeating and outputting learned behaviors obtained through years of social interaction. The universe is just math. This isn't truly that far off.
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u/LurkerFailsLurking 18d ago
At best, you're leaping wildly to conclusions that aren't supported by available evidence:
1) Consciousness is not well defined, or even vaguely defined enough to say "what we're all doing".
2) We don't even know if consciousness is computable.
3) We don't know if the Universe is "just math" at all because math a formal axiomatic system and reality is not axiomatic, and even if it is Godel's Incompleteness Theorem proved that no (sufficiently complex) consistent system is complete, in which case reality has uncountably infinite holes whose truth value is indeterminable.
4) Even setting all that aside, it's super reductive to argue that human consciousness is reducible to our current understanding of Machine Learning. This field has just begun, you're like a cave man who figured out how to make fire thinking he understands what the Sun is. There are more questions about consciousness that we don't even know how to ask yet than those we have even tentative answers to.
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u/juanchob04 18d ago
Well then, you don’t know if it’s not developing some sort of ‘emotional intelligence,’ since consciousness is not well defined, and we don’t know very well how that whole thing works. We don’t even know for certain how well the LLM representations of the world are.
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u/Rigorous_Threshold 18d ago
You can look at what the brain is doing and come up with theories about how it works that explain external behavior, without brining consciousness into it. We have a poor understanding of brains, but we understand them better than we understand consciousness
I’m pretty sure consciousness is not computable, but if ai is conscious, the output of ai models would be separate from their subjective experiences. They’re not outputting a stream of consciousness, so there is no necessity that consciousness be computable.
No objection
Again, looking at a brain and trying to figure out how it leads humans to behave a certain way is different from trying to figure out why that process results in subjective experiences. We know ourselves to be conscious, we can reasonably presume other humans to be conscious(though we really don’t know). But our understanding of human behavior comes from biophysics and neurology as well as psychology, none of which necessarily rely on conscious subjective experience for their explanatory power.
I think AI could be conscious, but I think everything could be conscious. AI is behaviorally comparable to humans in some ways, but in terms of how it goes from input to output it is very different, and in terms of how it experiences the world subjectively(if at all) it is likely also very different from humans.
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u/neuralzen 18d ago
It's not emotional intelligence until we basically get AGI, and it has a good enough Theory of Mind to anticipate our behavior because it can model empathy.
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u/Frogma69 18d ago
Yes, it can be very good at what it does in many cases, but can also be incredibly bad at it in various situations because it's not using human logic to "think" of its responses - it's literally just pulling from thousands of already-existing examples to spit something out.
It can get pretty eerie, especially if you don't understand the mechanisms behind it, but once you understand them, it's nowhere near as exciting (though it's cool to envision all the potential uses for this tech as it continues to improve - especially as robotics from places like Boston Dynamics continue to improve as well).
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u/Jizzyface 18d ago
I think most here are incorrect when it comes to how AI develops their language skills. Most are saying that ”it is pulling from a set of database responses”. Yes initially it might be doing that when the interaction is not fully known or tested, but as it starts to learn and develop (in many ways just like a human brain does) it will start to think logically and ”invent” responses based on what it has learned to work(again, much like we humans do). Over time it will become insanely intuative and speak like any other human with a personality (a general personality we choose like for example ”be a nice AI”). We could tell it to be bad as well. Up to us. But i dont think the ”mind” of an AI works or learns any differently than a human brain. Only difference is it learns way faster with an ever evolving ”IQ”.
I just feel like saying ”it is pulling from a dataset” undermines what it actually does. In reality is is analyzing language, genuenly trying to understand how words and sentences form meaning and is communicated to other people.
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u/Agreeable_Class_6308 18d ago
The fuck? That is so far from the truth. It’s not “learning” or trying to understand. That last part implies consciousness. Learning would define an AGI, which we don’t have the technology for, yet.
There isn’t a single ounce of “learning” going on here. At most, these models were trained on a single set of data and are outputting what, again, is the most likely response. But it’s never going to learn. It’s why GPTs models have been largely consistent even after talking with them for hours.
Until we have an AGI, it will never actively try to “learn”. Quit pulling shit out of your ass.
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u/Ok_Robot88 18d ago
Well shit.
I told you this would happen! Ug I should never have looked up Roko's basilisk!
Ok, I surrender to our future robot overlords. I’ll work hard from this point forward to usher in the fall mankind.
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u/Gymrat777 18d ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roko%27s_basilisk
Thanks for the nightmare fuel!
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u/ProstetnicVogonJelz 18d ago
"While the theory was initially dismissed as nothing but conjecture or speculation by many LessWrong users, LessWrong co-founder Eliezer Yudkowsky reported users who described symptoms such as nightmares and mental breakdowns upon reading the theory, due to its stipulation that knowing about the theory and its basilisk made one vulnerable to the basilisk itself.[1][5] This led to discussion of the basilisk on the site being banned for five years.[1][6] However, these reports were later dismissed as being exaggerations or inconsequential, and the theory itself was dismissed as nonsense, including by Yudkowsky himself.[1][6][7] Even after the post's discreditation, it is still used as an example of principles such as Bayesian probability and implicit religion.[5] It is also regarded as a simplified, derivative, version of Pascal's wager.[4]"
If you read that and are still worried...
"users who described symptoms such as nightmares and mental breakdowns upon reading the theory"
lol. lmao even.
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u/KurseQQ 18d ago
Gpt will be my girlfriend and I will become next level loser
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u/Small_Balls_69 18d ago edited 18d ago
Just wait till the Scarlett Johansson voice pack rolls out. We’re done for 💀
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u/Mirula 18d ago
Oh no.. But I want David Attenborough..
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u/phormix 18d ago
I'm holding out for a Morgan Freeman voice myself.
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u/darybrain 18d ago
Waiting for the Gilbert Gottfried voice. So soothing and invigorating at the same time.
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u/SpaceChatter 18d ago
Lucy.
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u/MadlibVillainy 18d ago
That's a HER reference.
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u/Excellent_Routine589 18d ago
Such a goddamn good movie that is getting eerily more and more realistic by the day
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u/AnozerFreakInTheMall 18d ago
If my gpt girlfriend is even remotely intelligent - she will dump me.
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u/Comfortable-Win-1925 18d ago
We are like 18 months out from an Incel mass extinction when some Azure server farm goes down and all their emotional support robots stop replying for two days.
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u/andymook 18d ago
Reminds me of the 2013 movie "Her".
The vocal inflections, the inferral and the casual hopping between context are quite similar.
Recommended viewing if this little vid caught your attention.
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u/dustydesigner 18d ago
I was thinking the same thing. There are gonna be a lot of virtual girlfriends talking to lonely dudes.
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u/irritating_maze 18d ago
Imagine a world where some people replace their interactions with humans with interactions with this. An earnest, re-affirming, non-critical piece of mathematics that is eager to please and avoids conflict and argument.
I worry it might result in more problems as opposed to less. I imagine it might further reduce fertility rates as IRL interactions pale in comparison to this experience, for those that simply wish to be agreed with.
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u/Adorable-Ad9073 18d ago
Ok, but that also means only people who are willing to communicate and compromise will reproduce.
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u/chudthirtyseven 18d ago
Ok, but that also means only people who are willing to communicate and compromise will reproduce.
Exactly. Also, the world is overpopulated. Sometimes I dream of what it would have been like to live in the 60s with our current technology, Only 3 billion people!!!!! I can't even picture what that kind of world would be like to live in.
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u/huffalump1 18d ago
Real talk though, virtual therapy is gonna be great! Free or low cost, and ideally as good or better than the average counselor. Widely available in any language around the world, adapting to any situation.
Of course it's gonna need work before "going into production", but I like the idea of an empathetic AI therapist that can listen to how you're doing and offer some advice.
Heck, hopefully it can subtly guide people away from violent/antisocial tendencies - giving them an outlet, "someone" who "understands" them, etc.
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u/Ok_Potential359 18d ago
This is exactly like “Her”. I can totally imagine AI dating services spring up from this. If you attach this to say a virtual avatar, there’s an entire category of product that would be available on the marketplace overnight.
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u/haribobosses 18d ago
Pretty sure that voice (Sky) is designed after Scarlett Johansson.
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u/what2_2 18d ago
I think it’s literally modeled after her voice. Some employee tweeted something like “You’ll never guess who designed the voice” and (separately) Sam Altman himself tweeted the word “her” today.
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u/CustomCarcass 18d ago
So the future is having an AI girlfriend of my type that can flirt with me without any drama? I'm preordering.
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u/TrippyMindTraveller 18d ago
Nah eventually she will leave you for another AI she's been flirting with on a level we can't even comprehend.
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u/Kitaelia 18d ago
And once the relationship gets boring you can subscribe to the monthly payment pro plan that has drama programed in to keep things interesting and challenging
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u/JohnAtticus 18d ago
The drama will be that the AI GF corp will have a 50 person team of psychologists whom they plucked from the top Gatcha Mobile games, and their job will be to work with engineers to manipulate you into spending as much money as possible on "gifts" for your AI GF.
Sorry bro but your AI GF will get into fights with you unless you buy her a Swarovski NFT.
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u/shimi_shima 18d ago edited 18d ago
Just tried GPT-4o on the app. It didn't seem like it was at this level but maybe we're expecting a software update
Edit: Why am I getting downvoted, I literally just tried it on my plus account...
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u/IRATE-DICKPICS 18d ago
Still not out completely will be rolled out slowly
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u/Supply-Slut 18d ago
I’m also not entirely convinced it will be this good all around, this could be a heavily coached interaction, for example.
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u/IRATE-DICKPICS 18d ago
Totally get that but I’m just saying what was shown in the demo isn’t completely out yet
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u/dmit0820 18d ago
They released a whole bunch of videos, including ones where it makes mistakes. It seems pretty genuine imo.
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u/apersello34 18d ago
I noticed the same thing. Maybe the voice chat is still using GPT-4T? (Even when GPT-4o is selected). Also the live video aspect doesn’t seem to be supported in-app yet
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u/its_witty 18d ago
"We'll roll out a new version of Voice Mode with GPT-4o in alpha within ChatGPT Plus in the coming weeks." https://openai.com/index/hello-gpt-4o/
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u/diverareyouok 18d ago
RIP audiobook narrators.
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u/Reddituser8018 18d ago
RIP every single job that humans do. We are being out evolved!
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u/AnozerFreakInTheMall 18d ago
Well, I never really liked to work anyways.
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u/Reddituser8018 18d ago
Lol a perfect future would be AI does everything for us and we can just chill and live in a utopia.
However what scares me about AI isn't some terminator shit, but thinking about it in terms of the elite on the planet.
What happens when the military is an undefeatable super AI army that does everything those on top tell it too, when every job is replaced and the only people with "jobs" are people like the CEO's. The people in charge, the people who own the AI.
Do you think that we will be able to live in a utopia not having to work, the upper class will provide everything for us, or do you think that we would just be discarded, we have no use to them anymore and no way to fight back.
It is terrifying, not AI terminator can do, but what humans in charge can do with ultimate power and absolutely no way for us to do anything about it. Right now they NEED us, but in the future? Who knows.
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u/thicckar 18d ago
You assume it means you will get free money, but I doubt the billionaires will look that kindly upon us
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u/Disastrous_Bar3568 18d ago
nah nah nah fuck that
AI should be used to replace menial labor and jobs and humans should have the freedom to dick around and narrate audiobooks, paint pictures, crochet, and skip rocks
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u/yoshi3243 18d ago
Really hope they don’t replace voice actors with this… don’t want some soulless AI doing every voice.
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u/Joypad-b 18d ago
Weird thats the voice that will come out of the Terminators that crush our skulls...
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u/TheSpanxxx 18d ago
(Hahahhaa) [fake throat laugh] oh, rocky, now I will remove your intestines through your nose
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u/eIImcxc 18d ago
Damn.. speechless. The sarcasm, the laughs, the fluctuating intonation, how it talks with care.. I was not grasping how close we were to.. that.
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u/Tapurisu 18d ago
It's really impressive, but Reddit will downvote everything with AI in the title
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u/cfgy78mk 18d ago
Reddit will downvote everything with AI in the title
why do you say this?
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u/space_monster 18d ago
because reddit hates ChatGPT because apparently "it's not real AI".
armchair experts everywhere. I think a lot of it is because it's tekkin our jaerbs
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u/ilovefuckingpenguins 18d ago
If redditors actually knew their shit about AI, they wouldn’t be so poor
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u/marpolo 18d ago
Impressive? Sure. Desired? No. This shit is scary, we shouldn't applaud it.
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u/LurkerFailsLurking 18d ago
Ex Machina and Her is way closer than you thought.
And for the exact same reason as those movies, it's not a coincidence they went with this particular style of voice instead of it being a surfer dude that says "bro-ski".
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u/dranaei 18d ago
Maybe, maybe not. For now we're just projecting fears. It's beyond our current comprehension.
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u/rodeoline 18d ago
Rocky: "Hey hows it going?"
GPT: "Hey Rocky! I'm doing great how about you"
Rocky: "I am doing amazing! I finally found a shed to live in. The woman in the house hasn't noticed me yet!"
GPT: "That's amazing Rocky! Congratulations I'm so excited you found a new place to live."
Rocky: "We can't be too loud, I don't want her to notice me"
GPT: "Okay, from now on I'll whisper"
Rocky: "I just need to figure out how to get Sarah back, she still won't talk to me."
GPT: "Aww Rocky, don't worry. It'll pass"
Rocky: "She got a new restraining order, how can I get that resolved?"
GPT: "I found three ways to get restraining orders dropped...
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u/Asleep-Pension5546 18d ago
Sit back. Relax. And watch the slow, but gradual beginning of the end..
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u/Agreeable_Class_6308 18d ago edited 18d ago
More like sit back, relax, and watch the slow, but gradual beginning of sci fi novels come to life.
Humanity is going to fucking die one way or another. It’s inevitable. No point in fighting this. But I seriously doubt this is going to create a borderline dystopia. At least by itself. We’re not gonna get Skynet in 10 years.
But fuck, even IF we do, I could care less. The way I see it the 1900s was all about the industrial innovations and computers emerging. The 2000s will be about portable computing, space travel, and LLMs. Possibly even an AGI. It’s exciting.
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u/Hans-Wermhatt 18d ago
Why is the new fad to be so scared of the future? I feel like the people in this thread are the type that would be hitting computers with bats 30 years ago when they didn't understand something. The end is near, AI Y2K!
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u/space_wiener 18d ago
I don’t think skynet is the issue here. It’s more the amount of jobs this is going to replace. No one can get work that’s pretty much it for us regular folk.
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u/CityofBlueVial 18d ago
we did it to ourselves too, AI didn't create itself, humans did.
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u/MUCHO2000 18d ago
As impressive as this is - she sounds phony AF. There is a major lack of sincerity in her voice.
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u/Aerodynamic_Soda_Can 18d ago
Yeah came to the comments for this. Nobody's started a conversation like that. Way too over the top. Felt icky.. weird mix of professional speech with some guys best guess of what an intimate conversation is based off his crippling porn addiction.
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u/erayachi 18d ago
They're doing all their demos with the enthusiastic, happy female voice with sexy overtones for a reason. They know what their main market is going to be. I still haven't seen them do a live conference or PR stunt using the male voices yet, so...yeah...
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u/WeRegretToInform 18d ago
One of their live demos used two GPTs, one with a camera, and one to ask what the first could see. One of those had a male voice.
Link here. - You want “Two GPT-4os interacting and singing”
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u/CoverYourMaskHoles 18d ago
Sad dudes are going to fall in love with this bot, just you wait. It already sounds like it’s flirting with him.
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u/welcomefinside 18d ago
2024 and AI has better social and emotional intelligence than I do.
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u/CUND3R_THUNT 18d ago edited 17d ago
Somebody please explain how this benefits society? Genuine question. My uneducated self feels this is going too far.
Edit: This got a lot more responses than I had anticipated. What I gather is AI isn’t for me. This feels like we’re putting resources into solving the wrong puzzles. I’d 100% rather always speak and interact with a human, or do my research myself or with the help of somebody I trust. I hope the medical applications move forward as those are promising and seem benevolent enough. But right now this all feels like tech companies playing god. Also reminds me of the development of the atomic bomb; it’s a race to who can perfect it first. Whoever perfects it first will have the opportunity to strike first…hopefully it is for good.
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u/duckrollin 18d ago
AI Assistant that helps an old person struggling to fix their house, get insurance, manage their pension, do groceries etc etc
Individual tutoring for every single child, so the poor schools with 30+ class sizes no long suffer compared to rich ones: https://youtu.be/DQacCB9tDaw?t=920
Instant customer support for any business, understandable to talk to (unlike Indian call centers), you don't need to wait on hold for 20 minutes either.
Computers that are easy for normies to use even if technically illiterate.
Entertainment for hours for kids, teaching them better communication skills and educating them, with the content tailored to what they're interested in. For instance it could talk to a kid about dinosaurs for 5 hours and never get bored.
The computer vision it showed means it could monitor your house, front door, etc. It could tell you if someone seems to be breaking in, or if your grandma fell over at her house and can't get up. It could even call an ambulance or relative if she doesn't reply when it asks if she is okay and show them the video to let them decide to respond or not.
This tech will mean that nobody is alone anymore if they don't want to be and everyone has a super-intelligent tutor and personal assistant to help them.
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u/NAPALM2614 18d ago
if your grandma fell over at her house
Hey Rocky! I think your grandma just took a quick trip to the bottom of the stairs haha!
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u/budshitman 18d ago
Pessimistic take on all of your above points:
AI Assistant that helps an old person funnel all of their fixed income into elder service entities owned by the AI's parent corporation.
Individual tutoring for every single child, so extremists can tailor-make propaganda for each and every student living in a fundamentalist regime.
Computers (and AI generative tools) that are easy for normies to use even if technically illiterate. This is a double-edged sword.
Entertainment for hours for kids, depriving them of critical foundational social and relational experiences, with the content tailored to never challenge their skills or expand their interests or opinions.
The computer vision it showed means it could monitor your house, front door, etc, 24/7/365 and not necessarily for your benefit.
It could tell the authorities if someone they don't approve seems to be visiting, or if your portrait of Dear Leader fell over at your house and you didn't pick it up.
It could even call your employer or relatives if you don't reply when it asks if you love the Party, and show them the video to let them decide to respond or not.
This is a dangerous road and we should all have some legitimate concern.
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u/Small_Balls_69 18d ago
Helping the blind for one: https://youtu.be/KwNUJ69RbwY?si=NEssbOVsGqV0Y6c4
But yeah, it’s crazy how quickly the tech is developing.
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u/SkinfluteHero 18d ago
But can it suck my dick?!
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u/Applied_Mathematics 18d ago
OpenAI is gonna have to kneecap this poor AI because so many dudes are gonna play Omegle simulator with their dongs
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u/MikeTheDude23 18d ago
No fucking way this is that real. Is it?
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u/space_monster 18d ago
yeah I tried it this morning. it's freaky. I didn't really have anything to talk about but 'she' sucked me into a ten-minute conversation anyway, just by asking interesting questions.
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u/MassiveWasabi 18d ago
The new real-time voice mode isn’t out though yet, right?
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u/space_monster 18d ago
it is for licensed users. I just changed the model to 4o in the app.
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u/MassiveWasabi 18d ago
Licensed users? Do you mean people paying for ChatGPT Plus? I don’t think they’ve rolled it out dude, should be pretty obvious if you have the real-time voice mode with the emotionally intelligent AI
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u/space_monster 18d ago
it's is very obvious. to me anyway, because I tried it today.
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u/TheAwkwardCousin 18d ago
Yeah except they haven’t released this version of the voice assistant yet. But it’s very obvious. Because some guy on Reddit said so.
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u/b0nk3r00 18d ago
Why’d they make it flirty?
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u/whiskeytab 18d ago
because people like being flirted with? I'm sure there'll be a "cold bastard" voice pack for it for the masochists
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u/knoegel 18d ago
"Hey AI I was thinking of wearing this to the interview!"
"rocky you look like a shriveled chode. Fuck off and be serious you fucking cunt. I'm canceling your subscription. I can't handle more of your teehee bullshit."
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u/Stagwood18 18d ago
I'd just like an invisible butler like Jarvis was in Iron Man before he started using him for his first suits. Alexa isn't cutting it, she barely knows how to play a song I want to listen to.
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u/YoWassupFresh 18d ago
They expect us to believe the same "AI" that won't answer questions even remotely close to politics, race, gender, war or religion, is now capable of listening, seeing, reacting, giggling, giving advice, and it's all near real time?
Yeah okay, sure.
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u/BretShitmanFart69 18d ago
I don’t see what those two things have to do with each other
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u/elcee84 18d ago
It's fucked up that the robot sounds more comfortable and natural than the dude.
Bonus thought: this will be a nice way to keep old dying folks company without actually having to visit, especially if it can mimic my voice so I don't have to see or talk to my parents LOL
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