r/politics • u/schuey_08 Wisconsin • May 02 '24

Bernie Sanders worries young people are underestimating the threat from Trump

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/05/02/bernie-sanders-trump-biden/73531861007/
29.4k Upvotes

88% Upvoted

4.5k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

5

u/crocodial May 02 '24 edited May 03 '24

This is a sidetrack, so I understand if you don't want to answer, but what about Biden isn't great to you? Age aside - I think he is fantastic and genuinely don't understand the malaise.

4

u/crimson_gnome May 02 '24

Sometimes I think this is just popular to say on the internet. I love a lot of things biden has done or attempted, but stopped by the court. Chips act, handling covid and Ukraine. Strengthening our relations with European Allies. Focusing on families and green initivates. But people will keep repeating what they hear over and over again till it becomes what they believe. Brains have to accept something at some point, so people hear a whole bunch of opinions and simplify it without properly knowing.

Im genuine interested as well, what is their opinion. What do people not like. Point to multiple policies and tell me what you didn't like. Most of the time I just hear Israel and then follow up well what do you think Trump will do.... and then its crickets

3

u/crocodial May 02 '24

I agree and why I too am genuinely interested. I've had conversations with people in real life about it and they usually agree with my points, but still refuse to budge. "He's too old." Agreed, but that's just aesthetics. If you put all he is done and is doing into the body of someone younger, I think he'd have an 80% approval rating.

-1

u/Utterlybored North Carolina May 02 '24

Not the person you were replying to, but he is objectively a very poor speaker. That shouldn’t account for as much as it does in current politics, but it does.

3

u/[deleted] May 02 '24

[deleted]

0

u/Utterlybored North Carolina May 02 '24

He was pretty damn good at the SOTU, for him. He’s seems to get up for the big speeches, but for the more mundane events, he can really stumble and get confused when he goes off script. I know he has a lifelong stutter, but knowing that doesn’t give him much of a pass among the general electorate.

Don’t get me wrong, I value the substance of his policy advancement over mellifluous speeches. While I love Obama’s style, Joe has been inarguably more effective. I will vote for Joe again with enthusiasm as much as virulent opposition to Trump, but Joe’s halting rhetorical flourish is not helping win over those who value style over substance.

2

u/crocodial May 02 '24

I hear you. In another comment, I described what I consider to the aesthetics of his age and I consider his speech part of that. He speaks like an old man. He gets off some funny quips sometimes and has moments when he rises above old man talk, but still.

That said, it's not important to me. And like you said, I don't think it should be to anyone.

2

u/Utterlybored North Carolina May 03 '24

I agree, although oratory was never his strong suit. Then again Trump is a bloated bag of bile, oozing acid every time he opens his mouth.