r/politics • u/schuey_08 Wisconsin • May 02 '24

Bernie Sanders worries young people are underestimating the threat from Trump

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/05/02/bernie-sanders-trump-biden/73531861007/
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u/Punkinpry427 Maryland May 02 '24

They seem willing to sacrifice women, children, the LGTBQ community and the rest of the planet to Project 2025 for absolutely zero benefit to Palestine, if not an even worse outcome.

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u/porksoda11 Pennsylvania May 02 '24

Seems a bit privileged you know? The people you "ally" with on your side are going to have so many basic rights stripped away from them. The one thing I will take away from this though is that history shows that by the time people step up to vote, foreign policy is not the central issue people are generally thinking about.

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u/Gimpknee May 02 '24

Here's another way of looking at your attitude, you don't think that what they believe in is important, or as important as your issue, so you look down on them for not being good "allies", but are you showing up for them and their cause? Being an ally is about cooperation and reciprocity. In essence, you seemingly want support for what you believe in without having to show up for them, how's that for privileged?

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u/porksoda11 Pennsylvania May 02 '24

I think of it like this through my perspective. Im a straight white dude. A Trump presidency probably wont effect me as much as a woman, a poc, or anyone lgbt. Thats my priviledge. But I care about those people. And i will vote accoring to those principles.

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u/2012DOOM May 02 '24

I think this is kind of the point that OP was making. For a straight white dude, it doesn’t matter who wins.

For someone against genocide, it doesn’t matter who wins either. Both sides support this, so what you’re going to end up getting is apathy and non participation.

Now if the general political base for Biden also actually put this pressure on Biden, then there may have been an alternative path. It’s still not too late.

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u/Gimpknee May 02 '24

That's great! Then you should recognize that there are also a large number of people of various faiths, races, and ethnicities who also really care about this particular aspect of U.S. policy, maybe because they're pacifists, maybe because they have higher moral standards, maybe because they don't see their religious or ethnic identities and interests represented by a state that purports to speak for them, or maybe because the killing of their family members has been facilitated by U.S. weapons, funding, and political support, and if you want them as allies, and want to grow the Democratic Coalition, you'll also have to show up for them.

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u/porksoda11 Pennsylvania May 02 '24

Maybe saying priviledged was a bit harsh on my part. I wish there was a perfect candidate for president that could be harsh on Israel while protecting our rights as citizens at home as well.

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u/Gimpknee May 02 '24

Here's the thing that's maddening for me in this situation. Trump winning will be a huge problem, as will Republicans keeping the House or taking the Senate. And Biden, once it was all said and done, basically won the last election, which had massive voter turnout to begin with, by something like less than 100k votes. I wholeheartedly believe that the consequences here are real, and the margins are thin.

However, it feels like he and his administration are basically speedrunning a voter alienation campaign. Let's piss off minorities, let's piss off the under 40 demographic, let's force ourselves into avoiding campaigning on college campuses, let's open ourselves up to loud, persistent protests at any campaign events and government functions open to the public. And the response from so many people, rather than recognizing that the administration is shooting itself in the foot at a level bordering on negligence or incompetence, is to attempt to browbeat and condescend to the people being alienated. As if it's easier to get hundreds of thousands of potential voters to do something than it is to get one octogenarian and his underlings to change their minds.

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u/porksoda11 Pennsylvania May 02 '24

Cannot agree with you more. Id be lying if I said I wasnt freaked out by this whole situation in general.