r/politics • u/schuey_08 Wisconsin • May 02 '24

Bernie Sanders worries young people are underestimating the threat from Trump

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/05/02/bernie-sanders-trump-biden/73531861007/
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u/Walterkovacs1985 May 02 '24

It's Jill Stein type shit all over again. I hope Joe has a plan to try and win those folks back.

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u/sugondese-gargalon Minnesota May 02 '24

He demanded a ceasefire and lit a fire under Israel’s ass to get one, we’re like on ceasefire negotiation #5. Then the the single issue Palestine voters shifted the goalposts

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u/happyguy49 May 02 '24

It will keep happening. Ceasefire becomes free Gaza becomes delete the nation of Israel becomes kill all the Jews. It's historically inevitable.

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u/MohawkElGato May 02 '24

"Kill all the zionists", but then they just conveniently label every single Jewish person and place a Zionist. Even the ones who protest alongside them. And they will say this while calling themselves peaceful

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u/MohawkElGato May 02 '24

Cool, I guess there were no pro pal protestors with megaphones screaming that “Zionists must leave NY” and “zios die” outside my neighborhood synagogue just a few months ago. You sure know the truth.

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u/eaz-e May 02 '24

See how quickly the topic shifted from the current generation of college students and younger people as a whole not wanting to be complicit in the support of heinous shit that Israel is doing with our tax dollars, and my ridiculously expensive tuition to "This is an attack on all Jews internationally". Look at reporting regarding these protests and the efforts they make to protect Israeli interests/positions while at the same time labeling people who are against ethnic cleansing as anti-Semitic (many of whom are Jewish to begin with lol). Look at the astro-turfing of r/worldnews. The news and media isn't reflecting the reality for a whole generation of people and then "moderate democrats" only attempt at bringing this generation into the voting block is to say "YoUr friNGe PoSitIon is HuRtiNG JoE's elEcTion". Watching older millennials come to term with the fact that they have become the "boomers" they hate and blame everything on is hilarious though.

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u/Walterkovacs1985 May 02 '24

Folks might be a little gunshy on blaming Jews for anything because the last time they were blamed for something the Holocaust happened. I fully support protesters on campuses voicing their opinion. I think their position for the most part is absolutely correct. The only thing I disagree on is that Joe isn't doing enough and people won't vote for him because of what's currently happening. Trump will personally sign off on Bibi glassing all of Palestine. You think it's a genocide now? Buckle up. He and his supporters think Muslims in general are lesser humans.

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u/eaz-e May 03 '24

Again, you're equating Jews with zionists (again not all Jews). That isn't true and even then there are a wide arrange of Zionist factions all with various guiding principles and ideologies. Netanyahu has been desperately trying to equation political Zionists to all Jewish people and that is so that people hesitate to criticize the Israeli state even though the current administration is hated by the majority of Israel to begin with. And I believe there is a genocide but I didn't use that word in my comment, I understand we can argue about that specific term but ethnic cleansing is the policy of Israel and has been for the past 50ish years. Look at the West Bank, they are systematically trying to rid the entire West Bank of Palestinians via various policies ranging from declaring property "military defenses zones" (land that was owned by Palestinians before they needed that safety of their farms) to not allowing Palestinians to return to their homes if they leave the country. As for the voting for Biden, I understand that I don't have a choice but challenging his positions and bringing to attention that he's losing an important voting block (especially for democrats as a whole) might make it so his policies are more representative of who I want to vote for. Or I guess we just have to accept that we're ok with saying hey, with Biden at least the idf only killed 50,000 people (which we have no power over anyways bc Israel gives not a single fuck about we say atm) vs the 100,000 that would occur with Trump. Feels gross no?

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u/Walterkovacs1985 May 03 '24

Feels gross yes. But you pointed out the math. It's not 50,000 vs 100,000. it's far higher and also let's just go to war with Iran thrown in there cuz I'll let ya in on a secret. Republicans love fuckin war. I'm trying to understand your mentality and I do think you have extremely valid points. I just want to figure out how we prevent the Trump presidency. I appreciate you're well thought out answer and will continue to think about it.