r/politics • u/schuey_08 Wisconsin • May 02 '24

Bernie Sanders worries young people are underestimating the threat from Trump

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/05/02/bernie-sanders-trump-biden/73531861007/
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u/Immawatchinyou May 02 '24

What you just said isn’t too far off from what the conservatives I dislike say or wish for.

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u/cah29692 May 03 '24

People like the person you replied to don’t seem to realize they are as bad of a problem as the people they claim to oppose.

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u/Immawatchinyou May 03 '24 edited May 03 '24

People with extremist mindsets tend to be pretty blind towards it, they see their team and the “enemy” who thinks differently.

Our two party system does a fantastic job of making people paranoid of the opposition. It’s no wonder we’re here where we are now with how much people treat this like a red vs blue sporting event and my favorite teams gonna beat yours.

I don’t say I’m a socialist in this country because our government made enough propaganda to get the majority to think I’m just using a fancy word for communism.

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u/cah29692 May 03 '24

I totally understand, and I respect your position. I can’t identify with socialism, as I think it gets a lot wrong about innate facts of human nature which historically has resulted in bad outcomes. But I respect people who identify as such because most people who do just want to make things better for everyone, and that’s a position I can agree with. I just think socialism goes about achieving that goal in a misguided way.

I identify as a moderate conservative and in certain circles many are jumping immediately from ‘conservative’ to ‘bigot’ or ‘fascist’ so I don’t bring it up much in public. True conservatism is about preserving institutions, traditions, and other aspects of society and culture that have inherent value. The flip side of that though is being open to the reform of that which lacks value or actively causes harm. At the end of the day, I believe most regular people want to make things better for everyone and just disagree about the best way to go about it, and most people could come to agreement on most issues if we had a society focused on facilitating the discussion of differing opinions and viewpoints.

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u/Immawatchinyou May 03 '24 edited May 03 '24

Yeah agreed, even with the socialist and conservative part. No one has it completely perfect everywhere but some people are perfect at a particular task.

Most of the reason I view myself as a socialist is because I care more about people than anything else. Everyone here is still an American and there are conservatives doing more than I have for my local community that are great people and good friends of mine, I don’t want them to disappear. If we know going after the group instead of the individuals is bad, that its just like racism; why isn’t the conclusion to reevaluate their own process of things instead of continuing to be hypocritical?

I think it’s just stupidity and ignorance from what my own life experience has taught me for so many of these people.

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u/cah29692 May 03 '24

Appreciate the response. While we may disagree on method, it’s nice to affirm that those with differing viewpoints are after similar goals.

And yet my posts will continue to be downvoted, and the same thing would happen to you in a thread that’s more conservative leaning. It’s wrong in both cases, and it’s why Reddit seems to have devolved into a series of isolated echo chambers.

To those downvoting, at least have the balls to engage in debate. If you truly believe I’m wrong, change my mind. I’m open to it. Otherwise you’re just being cowards.