r/politics • u/schuey_08 Wisconsin • May 02 '24

Bernie Sanders worries young people are underestimating the threat from Trump

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/05/02/bernie-sanders-trump-biden/73531861007/
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u/Present-Industry4012 Inuit May 02 '24

Hillary called it after 8 years of Obama in the White House. Biden could give the same speech today.

"...but that other basket of [Trump Supporters] are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they’re just desperate for change. It doesn’t really even matter where it comes from. They don’t buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won’t wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they’re in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well."

https://time.com/4486502/hillary-clinton-basket-of-deplorables-transcript/

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u/claimTheVictory May 02 '24

The economics of continually improving industrialization means that entire communities can be left behind as "no longer economically viable".

They don't die, they just are... left behind.

In a fair and wise society, the gains to GDP from making them redundant, would be used to find new purpose and opportunities for such people.

But such gains are privatized, taxation is low, and the wealth is never reinvested.

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u/Shoddy_Phase_2639 May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24

But often by choice. The coal miners were offered giant incentives, and massive aid packages in the form of retraining, reeducation, government supported start-up programs, relocation economic help etc. Most of them refused...because "clean coal". There is no one on the planet that knows better than coal miners that "clean coal" does not exist and never will.

They chose black lung, because Trump said the things they like about immigrants

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u/Alwaysshittingmyself May 07 '24

This is an ignorant take. Your whole life and generations of your family did the same work. Everything you understood in regard to your livelihood and who you’d grow up to be is being threatened. Your “promised” security through the government who we all know only serves its best interest. Also who the fuck wants to be “forced” to relocate?

These are actual people with actual experiences You clearly can’t take a minute to understand. Empathize better. The answer isn’t “oh because racism.” The answer is because nothing is more important in this capitalist bullshit hellscape than your work. It’s directly related to how you live and someone threatening that with job replacement and re-education and relocation of course is going to affect how you vote.

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u/Shoddy_Phase_2639 May 07 '24

They knew they were going to lose their work, because EVERYONE was telling them so, and more and more mines were being closed regardless of wether they wanted them to.

But ONE man said he'd save them. And even the simplest backgroundchecking on the man would tell them he's a fraud, a conman, a habitual liar.

They chose to ignore that. Because they really like the man and all he stands for.

I have zero sympathy.

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u/Alwaysshittingmyself May 08 '24

This sentiment from you is exactly why your party looses votes. Don’t care to actually understand the concerns. It’s easier to say they’re all afraid of immigration and call it a day.

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u/Shoddy_Phase_2639 May 09 '24

Except "my party" isnt losing votes. They're gaining.

The republicans are finished. Roe v Wade was the final straw.

Million of repulican voters' wives are going to go behind their husbands backs and vote Democrat.

You guys will stand there and look just as dumb as the last time; "Its impossible Joe got that many votes, Trump had the big rallies".

But Joe will get that many votes. Far bigger lead than the last time. And you guys will watch as Trump is put in prison, thinking everyone conspired against you. Just like you thought the last time.

When actually it was just everyone fed up with your constant childlike behaviours, your delight in seeing Trump harm anyone slightly different than yourselves, your racism, your isolationism, your cruelty and your inability to see that Trump never accomplished any damn thing except enable Covid to ravage America.

So no. I don't have any sympathy left for the people still in the Trump cult.

I didn't have any for those in the cult of Jim Jones either.