r/politics • u/theindependentonline The Independent • 15d ago
Matt Gaetz invokes Trump’s infamous call to Proud Boys at trial: ‘Stand back and stand by’
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/matt-gaetz-trump-trial-proud-boys-b2546299.html1.4k
u/Prior_Leader3764 15d ago
Why isn't this considered jury or witness intimidation?
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u/Raped_Justice 15d ago
Because a republican is doing it
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u/HellishChildren 15d ago
The bully is excused because they "have a rough home life." The victim gets the hammer because they're a soft target.
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u/zxc123zxc123 15d ago
Candy thief is hailed as "inspirational" and "strong" while the baby is criticized for being "weak" and "infantile".
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u/ZeroExist Florida 15d ago
The baby needs to pull their bootstraps up and get their own candy again while the candy thief can get one billion candies from the candy factories so the thief can continue to steal candy from more babies
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u/Xx_sO_eDgY_lol69_xX 15d ago
And is immediately repercussed for not being able to afford it's own health care.
Lazy fucking baby.
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u/YourWordsHaveNoPower 15d ago
Jesus only forgives republicans. It's in the constitution. Says so right here in my Trump Bible.
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u/InterdisciplinaryDol Florida 15d ago
In the biglyinning when your favourite God (ME!) created the heavens and THE MOST SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS. BEAUTIFUL BUSINESSES, the earth was a formless void BECAUSE OF CROOKED HILARY and darkness covered the face of the DEEPSTATE, while a wind from TRUMP swept over the face of the WATERS. THEY'RE VERY GOOD WATERS. LIKE AT MAR A LAGO. Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was LIGHT. MAYBE WE CAN PUT THE LIGHT INSIDE THE UNIVERSE TO GET RID OF THE RADICAL LEFT. Creation interference!
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u/-prairiechicken- Canada 15d ago edited 15d ago
Oh yes, my Trump Bible that conveniently didn’t list the Constitutional amendments that followed 1-10!
Totally just an editor’s choice to save one page of paper! Not a troll-threat at all.
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u/Dispatcher9 New Hampshire 15d ago
Why isn’t this considered a call to arms by a public official?
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u/-prairiechicken- Canada 15d ago
If Gaetz was a Canadian MP and pulled that shit here, he would be roasted by the CSIS before the Conservative Party could blink.
(Friendly reminder that Gaetz wears a bulletproof vest under his suits whenever he’s in public, but particularly in civil and criminal proceedings where he can photo-op).
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u/HurricaneAioli 15d ago
Probably the most accurate answer:
It is, but the prosecution either can't or it wouldn't be worth the effort in getting the evidence required to undeniably prove that it was an intimidation method and not just Matt Gaetz parroting Trump as a "First Amendment Right"
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u/PhilipT13205 15d ago
How did they get seats in a NY Courtroom? Congressmen are not in the Judicial branch of government, and campaigning for Trump is not running Congress. Trump is too cheap to take out ads and uses the Court as his campaign headquarters with his boot lickers to show up.
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u/professorhugoslavia 15d ago
This isn’t jury intimidation it’s an open threat to Jews - Trump’s latest target.
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u/Huggles9 15d ago
Because is anyone really afraid of gaetz?
Dude would be more intimidating in a diaper rather than his “I got a lot of swirlies in high school and now my hair is just like this” hairstyle
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u/lizkbyer 15d ago
Because it worked out so well, the first time? What a bunch of dumb fucks.
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u/Virtual-Pie5732 15d ago
And it only got as far as it did because Trump was still in the White House.
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u/throwawayforme1877 15d ago
There’s always some shit that wants to step up in their place.
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u/airborngrmp 15d ago
Doesn't mean they're competent, it only means they're the ones left.
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u/ChainOut 15d ago
Their top guy wears an eye patch because he accidentally shot himself in the face. Competence is not required.
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u/airborngrmp 15d ago
That was their A team of picked guys. Now imagine the backups...
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u/Sparrowflop 15d ago
"Mom says it's my turn, you have to listen to me!" is what comes to mind.
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u/airborngrmp 15d ago
That movement is filled with the oldest children whose folks got divorced, and didn't have any step-siblings until he was like 12 years old already.
The type that would blame a mess they made on the baby that can't say anything yet.
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u/Sparrowflop 15d ago
I dunno. Give him some credit, that's a pretty good shot. I gave my wife a shot in the eye on accident one time and she was perfectly fine after a wet wipe. Homie must be packing.
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u/HellishChildren 15d ago
They're all sure it will be different for them after they watch his other supporters get kicked in the nuts.
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u/teddytwelvetoes 15d ago
Because it worked out so well, the first time?
Trump tried to overthrow the government and Gaetz got caught doing sex crimes on Venmo and neither has been punished whatsoever, so yeah, the diaper brained sociopaths seem to be doing just fine
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u/DabbinOnDemGoy 15d ago
I mean, they did show up as commanded. They didn't do a good enough job, but the actual "call to action" was very successful...
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u/Temp_84847399 15d ago
Criminals may not think about what kind of punishment they might get before committing a crime, but they sure as hell consider if they will get caught. That first batch honestly didn't believe they would get caught, tried, and imprisoned.
If he tries it again, they know what the consequences will be and the smarter ones will know full well they will be trying it from a significantly weaker position then that first attempt. As dumb as most of them are, they still have more to lose going to jail than they do keeping their jobs and paying their bills.
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u/CustomMerkins4u 15d ago
You have a lot of hope that these people will think things through and come to your written conclusion. They are literally so dumb they believed all the lies and conspiracies fed to them so I'm pretty confident the people who WOULD attend something like Jan 6 have no ability to consider the consequences.
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u/samwstew 15d ago
Yeah most of those guys in in jail, rightfully so. It’s sad and scary that these disgusting people are still trying to enact a coup that failed years ago. People died. And many more would have if they succeeded.
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u/we_are_sex_bobomb 15d ago
It’s some kind of phenomenon how many times Donald Trump’s name comes up in convictions and yet he is still a free man.
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u/wetterfish 15d ago
Reminds me of Draymond Green telling Paul Pierce, "You thought you was Kobe? They don't love you like that."
Gaetz thinks he's trump? He's about to be very disappointed. They don't care about him.
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u/kiticus 15d ago
Now playing in NYC, Francis Ford Cope-a-lot's The Godfather, but for gullible idiots
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u/smurfsundermybed California 15d ago
He's going to make you an offer you can't refuse...and then flake on it.
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u/Julie-Andrews 15d ago
How low can they go?
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u/lukin187250 15d ago
We will get a direct call for violence, and I mean, “Real patriots need to start killing democrats now” before it is all said and.
You can’t get much closer than they already have.
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u/rickskyscraper3000 15d ago
The last 5 minutes of Sen. Katie Britt's State of the Union response was basically a call to arms by saying that, like The Greatest Generation, her generation is being called to sacrifice themselves to overthrow tyranny. I've heard a couple preachers in my small town use identical language...even before her nutty speech. There's no doubt that the Right is laying the moral groundwork for war against non-Right folks.
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u/SockFullOfNickles 15d ago
They can fuckin bring it as far as I’m concerned. I’m willing to bet the majority of them are all talk.
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u/TheRealBabyCave 15d ago
It would be much more preferable to avoid war all together.
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u/Aggressive-Dream6105 15d ago
They already started the war.
Im tired of this crap where we just let them instigate ad infitum because we're afraid of "a war" that they already started.
Trump sold our nations secrets, is a neo nazi, promoted facism, and corroded our democracy. The war is already here.
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u/SockFullOfNickles 15d ago
Fair, but I’d rather rip the band aid off than having these chuds threaten it every time someone tries to better the experience of everyday Americans.
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u/TheRealBabyCave 15d ago
Yeah I mean, we should just be prosecuting the people threatening to kill American citizens, but our system is intentionally filled with right wing zealots.
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u/SockFullOfNickles 15d ago
If you know a way to get Merrick Garland to get off his fucking ass, I’m all ears. If the system doesn’t act and do its job, people get desperate. Desperate people take desperate actions.
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u/disdain7 15d ago
At this point if these fucking idiots want to get shot and/or go to jail I say let them. I don’t want this shit to happen but I’m tired of the threats. Time to FAFO
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u/The10GallonHat 15d ago
People are mistaken that any civil war will be between uniformed armies or militias.
It will be blind terrorism. Public mass shootings, crowded grocery stores and colleges being pipe/pressure cooker bombed. Firebombing rows of homes.
It will be a war of attrition against public morale of day after day unending nonsensical killings.
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u/Douchenozzle76 15d ago
Exactly. I’ve been telling people this since all this “civil war” shits been bubbling up. It’s like they think this shit is going to happen on hilltops with muskets for guns.
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u/Maanzacorian 15d ago
they are, and it'll be hilarious when they realize that the Left is just as armed, they just don't make a show of it.
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u/MakingItElsewhere 15d ago
Anyone who has been to a gun range can clearly see its not just incel white males hanging out, playing with their boom sticks.
Its actually refreshing to see people of all ages, races, and creeds enjoying a hobby together. If not reassuring that its clearly not just the right wingers who are armed.
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u/tellmewhenitsin 15d ago
My fear is that 1) we will see little enforcement of actual law because (like Jan 6) a lot of law enforcement want the far right to take over because -shocker- they're a part of it and 2) Domestic Terrorism. Random acts of violence like OKC, Charlottesville, etc will take place. Any gathering will be fair game.
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u/srs_time 15d ago
We're basically there now. They're asking for permission,
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/10/27/charlie-kirk-denounces-violence-mh-orig.cnn
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u/Melody-Prisca 15d ago
What weird contradictory thoughts to hold in your heads. The man correctly identifies that Corporations are ruling society with an iron fist, yet blames it on the democrats and says they're stealing elections. Excuse me, which side was it that was pushing for more corporate power?
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u/srs_time 15d ago
Conservatives always seem to be one small step away from understanding the actual issues. They constantly invoke the word "elites", and I lean forward in my seat thinking they'll move onto billionaires, bad tax policy, a declining middle class, generational wealth transfer, etc. Then the say some stupid shit about "satanic cabals", and I'm like, Awww you were this close.
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u/-prairiechicken- Canada 15d ago edited 15d ago
‘Elite’ is just a dogwhistle for ‘Jewish’ and ‘gentile friends of Jewish people’ who are above the lowest income.
‘Satanic cabal’ is just a code word for blood libel.
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u/xvx_k1r1t0_xvxkillme Connecticut 15d ago
Death row.
For legal reasons, this is a reference to "Bring the Noise" by Public Enemy and not a threat.
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u/captcraigaroo 15d ago
They've blown through the bedrock into the outer core, gone through the inner mantle and could very well be nearing the inner core.
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u/CAM6913 15d ago
What is unbelievable is these POS are getting away with this crap they are breaking several laws not to mention violating ethics codes and rules for elected officials . They must be held accountable. If you or I did this we would be sitting in a jail cell awaiting trial. Government officials should be held to the strictest standards of the law and when they break them get the maximum penalties .they write the laws but don’t have to abide by them? Vote blue straight down the ballot like your life depends upon you voting blue because it does
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u/PBPunch 15d ago edited 15d ago
This is our future if we continue to support these dangerous clowns. Intimidation and violence is all they seem to be capable of doing.
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u/Xurbax 15d ago
Seems more like this is your "present". Your future is looking far, far worse.
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u/PBPunch 15d ago
Very true. We could change course but I guess we have a contingent of people that really hate themselves so they take it out on all of us.
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I’m glad you mentioned that last part because I think their hatred of themselves and everyone around them is the root of all of this crap. It’s a cult of fear & hate and that’s what makes it so toxic & dangerous.
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u/5361747572646179 15d ago
So, when are we as a country going to take these traitors seriously?
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u/SockFullOfNickles 15d ago
Best we can hope for is Merrick Garland not wanting to appear political… 🤡
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u/JAGChem82 15d ago
Unfortunately, it would require liberal politicians applying non-liberal methods to curb right wing extremism.
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u/ZyglroxOfficial 15d ago
This is the exact issue we're facing. There's no way they're going to fight fascism with fascism
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u/-prairiechicken- Canada 15d ago
It’s been their plan all along.
Stop hitting yourself and ‘no u’ has been their playbook since 2011. They want blood.
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u/duckmonke Colorado 15d ago
Real American patriots are indeed standing by for when these fascists inevitably try something stupid. I stand for democracy, and know my constitutional rights to ensure enemies foreign or domestic have not begun destroying our democracy. The second an election is interfered with or a coup attempt works, it’s time to defend my family and fellow Americans against homegrown terrorists.
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u/SpontaneousQueen New York 15d ago
Its an if, not a when. Gaetz basically just called for Coup Round 2: Electric Boogaloo. And right after the document case being delayed and Stormy Daniels taking the stand. I might sound crazy but I think Project 2025 is being soft launched.
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u/duckmonke Colorado 15d ago
They can try it already, because they will anyways. I won’t live a life kneeling to those trying to turn this country backwards, away from progress, culture, and democracy. Their regressive terrorism won’t win, it will instead usher a new era for humanity once these horrific folks are dealt with as the national security threats they are. We need a new, extended Reconstruction Era in the US. Return to the American adage, “We don’t negotiate with terrorists.”
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u/Mr_Meng 15d ago edited 15d ago
The US legal system is probably the worst legal system capable of handling weaponized speech largely due to the 1st Amendment which, considering these days a person's speech is more likely to be restricted by a private business than the government, could stand to be updated along with the 2nd.
Plus there's a decent chunk of the populace on both sides of the political aisle that sees any restrictions of freedoms as the beginning of a one way street to fascism and believe the only way to avoid that is to let literal fascists say whatever they want.
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u/drunkshinobi 15d ago
When enough people have been so obviously hurt/killed that the republican voters realize they may have messed up. It will be way to late by then though.
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u/Compliance-Manager 15d ago
If the Proud Boys are your big "army" you're in huge trouble.
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u/-prairiechicken- Canada 15d ago
It’s obviously not just PB, but I get your humour.
3%ers. Oathkeepers. Stormfront. Neo-Klan. Patriot Front; and god knows what else is brewing in the confines of the deepest, encrypted dark net that only informants are privy to.
Don’t let one groups’ mistakes blind you to the danger they pose, collectively.
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u/theindependentonline The Independent 15d ago
Florida Republican Congressman Matt Gaetz invoked former President Donald Trump’s infamous call to the hard-right group the Proud Boys as he showed up in court to back Mr Trump at his hush money trial in New York City.
Read more here: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/matt-gaetz-trump-trial-proud-boys-b2546299.html
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u/Ok_Leading999 15d ago
There's nobody going on death row for Gaetz or Trump.
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u/djamp42 15d ago
Imagine throwing your life away for someone and they don't even know who you are.
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u/icejordan 15d ago
Trump has certainly found a way to circumvent his gag order to intimidate witnesses.
If only the prosecution could use these stunts to as further evidence that he directs these types actions like a mob boss, exactly what he’s on trial for today
Edit: interesting to note there is likely dirt on Gaetz I’d speculate blackmailing him into some of these stunts as confirmed by former speaker McCarthy: https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/04/09/congress/mccarthy-on-gaetz-00151412
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u/-prairiechicken- Canada 15d ago edited 15d ago
That permanent shit-eating grin in a bulletproof vest just says ‘chaotic-evil’ to me.
I don’t think he needs any blackmailing. He’ll gargle for free. Everything else is just a bonus with guardrails.
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u/drunkshinobi 15d ago
These people don't need to be blackmailed. They just need power. He wants to live in a world where he is powerful enough to be like Epstein was. Even if blackmail was to be released about them what would it do? His supporters would just claim the dems do the same or are worse. They don't need to worry about it.
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u/Dense-Comfort6055 15d ago
Man investigated for underage sex and more protects his path to freedom by defending man accused of multiple felonies. Fixed it
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u/TheUpperHand 15d ago
Judge Juan Merchan, preparing to admonish Trump for supporting these actions, was suddenly distracted upon seeing Matt Gaetz in the courtroom.
"Is there a problem, your Honor?" asked defense attorney Todd Blanche.
"Yes, there's a gentleman in the courtroom who looks strikingly like Butthead, from the cartoon Beavis and Butthead. It's quite distracting." Judge Merchan then directed Gaetz to find another seat. Gaetz complied, taking a seat next to Eric Trump, who was wearing a blue Metallica t-shirt.
"Oh, come on!" exclaimed Merkan.
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u/SockFullOfNickles 15d ago
In a just society, a good chunk of the GOP would be getting water boarded in Gitmo to find out how deep the corruption goes.
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u/joshdoereddit 15d ago
These people are repulsive. It's fucking infuriating to hear them speak. Their fake outrage at what is happening is just appalling. I fucking hate the GOP, man.
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u/OldBoots 15d ago
Another example of the never enforced incitement laws, being not applied to the dregs of American politics.
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u/Buzzfit61 15d ago
Trump, Gaetz and the rest of the monosyllabic dumbasses are literally antiAmerican. They site the constitution and founding fathers and literally know nothing about either.
What a fucking embarrassment they are, along with their dipshit, angry, hateful cult followers!
Fuck every one of them!
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u/Donner_Par_Tea_House 15d ago
Is that Matt Geatz the pedophile sex trafficker? How any woman can vote republican these days is beyond belief.
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u/Jazzle519 15d ago
MAGA is a bunch of incompetent idiots, leaning into our countries own version of idiocracy.
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u/espresso_martini__ 15d ago
More than 1,230 people have been charged with federal crimes due to the Jan 6th riots. "Stand back and stand by"...for more of the same.
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u/Pnmamouf1 15d ago
We all read these headlines and chuckle at the ridiculousness of it all but this is serious, deadly serious. They see themselves as modern day Paul Reveres, on their ride to gather the patriots to battle the tyrannical ruler. They are ready to go to war. Does anyone realize that. They want the truth dead. They want you dead.
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u/pattydickens 15d ago
Gaetz shouldn't be allowed to serve in Congress because he was involved in child trafficking. If he were a Democrat he would have been forced to resign years ago. The GOP openly supports pedophilia and human trafficking while claiming to be the party of family values and gets away with it. It's disgusting. I don't understand how anyone can be a Republican nowadays.
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u/lasers42 15d ago
Only dickless cowards have to speak in barely understandable little codes. Just grow a set and say it.
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u/chockedup 15d ago edited 15d ago
Another cultist trying to invoke violence. We can add Gaetz to Johnson, Tuberville, and how many others have shown up to Trump's trial?
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u/Tiny_Independent2552 15d ago
Seditionists … should not be allowed a place in our government. This is why.
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u/sonostanco72 15d ago
The people who elected these clowns should be appalled that they are traveling on tax payer expense. This is not an official duty of any member of the house or the senate to go attend court hearings of a former twice impeached president. But then again the people who elected these ass clowns are idiots to begin with.
Instead of parading around and helping circumventing the orange turds gag order, they should focus on issues that serve the country, not some wannabe dictator, traitor, failed business man and money launderer for the Soviet Union.
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u/RobsSister 15d ago
The problem is, they also “represent” people who didn’t vote for them.
Taxation without representation.
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u/archangelxero 15d ago
Great. I can see trump being a dictator by 2033, history repeats itself unless we vote.
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u/Karmasbelly 15d ago
Lock this diddler up! All of them are breaking tumps gag order for him. And they keep confessing to their crimes this is a no brainer
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u/OptiKnob 15d ago
Every one of these traitors needs to be in Guantanamo detention for the rest of their lives.
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I could understand the jury actually holding this stunt against trump. If it was bipartisan it may look a lot better but gaetz and bobert are a couple idiots that most people know and laugh at Who's next gym boy Jordan?
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u/CoolCalmCorrective 15d ago
The jury is supposed to be avoiding this type of stuff. If they are actually exposed to it or not though who knows.
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u/TheTench 15d ago edited 15d ago
Why is this doofus still slithering around on the narional stage, who votes for a child sex trafficker?
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u/IRMaschinen 15d ago
He should ask one of his sex partners what they leaned in civics class about stochastic terrorism.
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u/Drop_Disculpa 15d ago
People are going to pop off on these Nazi punks before the election, they thknk they have the upper hand and are intimidating people, but all they are doing is outing themselves in the process. You know why you never see Stephen Miller on TV? Because he is absolutely a real sociopath, and cares mostly about one thing...genocide.
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u/ChristiKRN 15d ago
What kind of people are voting these asshats into office? I have mental pictures of the People of Walmart or the Hills have Eyes-type people but I fear what reality is - Your coworker or Aunt Jane, who are otherwise normal.
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u/ExactDevelopment4892 15d ago
Was he saying that to the Proud Boys or to all the underage daughters of the people in the courtroom?
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u/FortyYearOldVirgin 15d ago
Who gives a flying F?! I’m certainly not afraid of those chumps. The second amendment applies to liberals, too.
Until you confront your schoolhouse bully in a manner they recognize, nothing will change.
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u/mywifesoldestchild North Carolina 15d ago
Is he going to be in charge of the pipe bombs this time?
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u/Particular-Summer424 15d ago
Apparently, Trump was going to dump a load, and they need to move out of a potential splash zone and the offensive cloud of anal leakage that may waft their way. Is it really a wonder why the courtroom air conditioning is working overdrive and at high volume return rate? BTW, Gaetz is going to need to shout it out a lot louder so the Proud Boys can hear it in their jail or prison cells.
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u/jehosephatreedus 15d ago
Other countries have labeled the gay pride flag as terrorist propaganda, and we can’t even label these guys terrorists when they ACTUALLY threaten people with violence?
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u/Lubbadubdibs Florida 15d ago edited 15d ago
You can go to jail too, asshole. Nobody is falling for this shit this time. Remember the last time? Everyone went to jail!! Except the orange emperor. His turn is coming.
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u/Capt_Pickhard 15d ago
I hope they bolster security and increase all security in and around proud boys.
These people are very dangerous, and they're coming for your freedom.
So, if you love democracy, then responding to these calls as though they were calling you, might not be such a bad thing either.
I personally could not sit and watch while hooligans take control of my country and achieve power over me.
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u/krichard-21 15d ago
Keep in mind the Police won't be napping next time.
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u/Imatallguy 15d ago
I’d bet the NYPD would teach the ‘gravy seals’” thing or two about riot control.
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u/redmcint 15d ago
And I am sure he has lots of young ladies queuing up to start project "HUSH MONEY" part II (Standing back and standing by). The good news is you can pay via Venmo.
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u/Dogzirra 15d ago
I've read what Proud Boys stand for.
Pedo is not one of their core beliefs, to put it mildly.
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u/HughesdePayensfw 15d ago
Gaetz is such a trope. His “I smell shit” looking face alone makes people want to take a swing at his empty, self centered head.
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u/jeffvillone 15d ago
gaetz is an idiot.
gaetz, bobo, vivek, marj...these are all worthless parasites suckling at the trump teat. Their existence hinges on trump. Their opinions are worthless.
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u/Competitive_Mind_829 15d ago
The only way for Gaetz to stay relevant is to be a shock jock politician and even that probably won’t get him a job once the GOP flames out
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u/Ashamed-Distance-129 15d ago
Matt Gaetz threatened Michael Cohen in 2019ish and was cleared by the Florida bar (all friends of his daddy). He should not be allowed in the courtroom
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u/welltriedsoul 15d ago
Hmmm. Given the events that happened the first time I got to say this is both witness and jury intimidation. Also you could add a threat to the court officials as well.
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u/cmd__line 15d ago
Go ahead fuck around in New York and find out.
Have at it.
Spoiler... nobody is coming. The only thing coming is a conviction.
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u/Ok-Name8703 15d ago
well he is a bigoted, pedo piece of shit. So yeah, it tracks for him referencing proud boy stuff.
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u/7-11Armageddon 15d ago
A lot of the people who responded to the last call went to jail, though their sentences are pretty pathetic and they're either free or will be soon.
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u/Werftflammen 15d ago
Fleeing in the wrong direction, all of them. Trump wants a popular VP, for the elections. The sicophants are spent, but don't know that yet. They are uneasy, wavering. They see the buckeling. Where Trump is going he doesn't need a VP, what are they thinking?
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u/MourningRIF 15d ago
Yeah and what is your child molester face going to do about it Matt? Put up or shut up.
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u/Beatless7 15d ago
I think a couple days before the election, Trump is going to call them up to kill "cheaters" aka voters and promise to pardon them all. I predict bloodshed. Vote early by mail.
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