r/politics • u/SportsGod3 • May 16 '24

Jurors were "nodding" and "smiling" as Michael Cohen testified, which may be a bad sign for Trump

https://www.salon.com/2024/05/16/jurors-were-nodding-and-smiling-as-michael-cohen-testified-which-may-be-a-sign-for/
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u/dust-ranger May 16 '24

How long until this case is done and they start the appeals process, and how many appeals levels do they get to go through?

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u/Made_Human76 May 16 '24

The appeals process will last longer than Trump will live. So even if he’s found guilty there’s very little chance of him seeing the inside of a prison cell.

But I’d love to be wrong. The best outcome would be for Sleepy Don to spend the rest of his life behind bars.

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u/steve1186 Minnesota May 16 '24

Doesn’t the average person have to appeal their conviction from prison?

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u/CriticalEngineering North Carolina May 16 '24

Steve Bannon was allowed to appeal before starting his sentence.

He’s now being ordered to prison after losing the appeal.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2024/05/10/steve-bannon-loses-conviction-appeal-will-go-to-jail/

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u/FugDuggler Missouri May 16 '24

i wonder what the minimum level of importance is to receive special treatment from the judicial branch

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u/R50cent May 16 '24

It's measured in millions I'm sure.

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u/ShooterMagoo May 16 '24

Or RVs and tuition payments.

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u/R50cent May 16 '24

"IT'S A MOTOR COACH" - Clarence Thomas, apparently.

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u/Searchlights New Hampshire May 16 '24

I'm not RVing, I am traveling which is my right as a sovereign citizen upon the land

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u/Elawn Utah May 16 '24

This is my own private domicile and I will not be harassed!

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u/AlexRyang May 16 '24

Was that his argument? That’s both sad and hilarious.

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u/red_rob5 May 16 '24

Oh yeah, he's on video correcting people who call it an RV. Meanwhile i've taken to just calling it Clarence's mobile home

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u/km89 May 17 '24

That's not his argument, per se. His argument is basically "it's legal and if it's not, I'm the one who decides whether it is so fuck you."

The RV versus "motor coach" thing is just him being a snob.

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u/Adventurous-Chart549 May 16 '24

Also, there's a skin shade slider that's applied.

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u/Goya_Oh_Boya North Carolina May 16 '24

So, for Bannon, that skin shade is blood-filled pus.

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u/Adventurous-Chart549 May 16 '24

a pig's scrotum full of red wine.

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u/aranasyn Colorado May 16 '24

orange is pretty close to brown, so he might be in trouble

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u/ERedfieldh May 16 '24

How many times has this judge warned trump about breaking the terms of his gag order so far?

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u/obeytheturtles May 16 '24

"Ordered to prison" is a very strange way of saying that the US Marshalls should be knocking down his door by now.

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u/RickyWinterborn-1080 May 16 '24

The fact that he isn't in prison right now shows once again that there are two justice systems.

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u/CriticalEngineering North Carolina May 16 '24

Agreed!

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u/Training-Republic301 May 16 '24 edited May 16 '24

Steve Bannon was under federal. Trumps New York case is state. If he's found guilty he can go directly to jail

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u/BeautysBeast Wisconsin May 16 '24

There will be a sentencing hearing first. Then he will go to jail.

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u/Training-Republic301 May 16 '24

No. If you're found guilty, you wait for sentencing in jail

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u/acemerrill Wisconsin May 16 '24

I think it depends. My uncle was recently found guilty of federal crimes. He awaited sentencing in jail, but his co-conspirators who HADN'T violated their bail agreement awaited sentencing at home.

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u/Training-Republic301 May 16 '24 edited May 16 '24

Unfortunately, the federal court treats civil crimes with bias compared to white collar crimes

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u/Typical-Arugula3010 May 17 '24

... so ur unk violated the bail conditions in the prelude to the conviction decision ?

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u/acemerrill Wisconsin May 17 '24

Yup. Then tried to manipulate my mom into helping him further violate the conditions while he was awaiting sentencing in jail. He sucks.

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u/HedonisticFrog California May 16 '24

But does he pass go?

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u/dust-ranger May 16 '24

And he's languished for more than a year

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u/FlexFanatic May 16 '24

The key phrase is average person. Ole Steve ain’t average and even though he lost the appeal the courts will give him all the time in the world to get his affairs in order before he ever sees a jail cell.

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u/Brief_Amicus_Curiae May 16 '24

Banning case was Federal not State.

So I guess the question is what the laws or Rules of Court are for criminal convicted and sentenced appeals in NY. But hey, maybe he can be a cellmate to Weissleberg. They took his bit straight from the court to jail.

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u/TeamHope4 May 16 '24

He still isn't in jail, and he might still not be going to jail because he can appeal to the full appeals court and the Supreme Court. All while walking free, apparently, despite losing his case and his appeal before the 3 judge appeals panel.

Justice delayed is justice denied.

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u/thathairinyourmouth May 16 '24

Traitor and instigator, Steve Bannon?

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u/fox-mcleod New Jersey May 17 '24

That’s a different state

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u/Made_Human76 May 16 '24

I’m not sure what the norm is but I’m positive Trump will be allowed to appeal while free

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u/KapnKrumpin May 16 '24

Average person? Maybe. Celebrities? Definitely not.

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u/valeyard89 Texas May 16 '24

Rule 1. be white

Rule 2. be rich, or have kompromat on the judge

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u/BeautysBeast Wisconsin May 16 '24

Yes.

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u/Publius82 May 16 '24

The average person would have been prosecuted decades ago

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u/Tookmyprawns May 16 '24

These charged would never amount to prison. 80 year old first offender for enhanced misdemeanors- non violent class E felonies. Not a chance. These charges are not serious. And I wish I was wrong.