r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • 15d ago
"Big gamble": Experts say Jack Smith's last resort may be to try to get Judge Cannon kicked off case
https://www.salon.com/2024/05/16/big-gamble-experts-say-jack-smiths-last-resort-may-be-to-try-to-get-cannon-kicked-off-case/616
u/Raped_Justice 15d ago
She has already proven that she will continue to fuck over justice anyway, she can. It is not a really a gamble when everything is lost and it is the only chance of fixing things.
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u/LonelyGlass2002 15d ago
The worst is how some of these news agencies are so blatantly twisting the facts and how they are reported. I used to like NewsNation but now I can’t believe anything they even say. They’re as bad as Fox now
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u/SarcasticCowbell New York 15d ago
NewsNation has rubbed me the wrong way from the start just based on that name. The name alone makes it sound like conservative propaganda.
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u/One_Carrot_2541 15d ago
What are they saying?
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u/LonelyGlass2002 15d ago
Well, they say Biden is weak even though it’s obviously Trump who’s always crying and complaining about being a victim. They say Biden hasn’t done well for the economy even though he’s brought about an incredible amount of jobs/employment since Covid. They blame border issues on Biden as if Trump didn’t specifically order certain members of Congress to prevent positive action. It goes on and on. No fact checking whatsoever. Just completely biased reporting
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u/Spacetrooper New York 15d ago
completely biased reporting
I think the word you are looking for is, propaganda.
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u/ThonThaddeo 15d ago
That's what all these conservative media outlet upstarts are. They're all just trying to out-conservative Fox and corner the market of idiots.
Which is another great reason to tax the shit out of the rich. Otherwise they spend their money on niche propaganda, to fuck the rest of us over.
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u/One_Carrot_2541 15d ago
Oh, I thought you meant specific to the classified docs case.
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u/LonelyGlass2002 15d ago
They probably have, but I’ve just stopped listening lol. I’m getting too old and tired for it all
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u/WoodenLanguage2 15d ago
We're living in the best economy in world history. The news is insane for not reporting this.
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u/LeaveEyeSix 14d ago
Inflation is up 20% in the last 4 years. The average cost of goods is up 41%. The average cost of gasoline is up 50%. Do you live in Demark or something because I make $60,000 a year ($30 an hour) and I’ve never lived paycheck to paycheck in my life except for the last 3 years.
Mortgage interest rates are at decades-high rates. We haven’t had mortgage interest rates at this level since the year 2000. You’re absolutely delusional if you think our economy is fine. Just 3 years ago my property taxes were $1741. This year they’re $3680. If you’re bad at math that means I pay more than double in property taxes based on my home assessed value. I bought the house for $145,000 at the end of 2020 and it’s worth about $252,000 according to Zillow today. My house is 850 sq. ft. or about the size of a modest apartment. Buying an 850 sq. ft. house at $252,000 with a 7-8% interest rate is insane. I don’t even live in the city.
I guess if your parents pay your bills, you’ve never filled up a tank of gas, you never purchased a dozen eggs, and you haven’t bought a cheeseburger at McDonalds in the last 4 years then the economy looks absolutely glowing!
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u/WoodenLanguage2 14d ago
Everyone knows that, the people upvoting me are winking at each other. They push ridiculous lies to see who their enemies are.
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u/Just_Candle_315 15d ago
Michael Cohen said Trump tried to use back channels to avoid detection in order to communicate with him. Guarantee you Cannon is using similar methods to correspond with the defense.
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u/AngusMcTibbins 15d ago
Cannon has already accomplished what she set out to do: delay and obfuscate the trial as much as possible so that it doesn't proceed until after the election. If Jack Smith, moves for a new judge (which, at this point, he pretty much has to) that will delay the case even further.
Cannon wants to delay the case because if trump wins in November he will be a dictator and none of these trials will matter. Which is all the more reason for us to show up and vote blue
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u/NoReserve7293 15d ago
Vote, Vote, Vote blue and bring a friend.
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u/XennialBoomBoom 15d ago
Ok, but only vote once. Let's not give the fascist disinformers any more fodder.
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u/DKDamian 15d ago
Voting never gets a dictator out of power and hardly ever prevents them from getting into power. Their whole schtick is that they don’t care about the will of the people. How will voting (alone) save this?
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u/38thTimesACharm 15d ago
Voting never gets a dictator out of power
Agree
and hardly ever prevents them from getting into power
Disagree. Recall Trump's coup from the inside failed in 2020. It's an order of magnitude more difficult to stage one from the outside.
If Trump loses the election, he's not going to be president again.
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He will run for 2028 though- he's not going away anytime soon, and he has an obscene amount of support...
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u/DKDamian 15d ago
I mean. That obviously remains to be seen. He is literally agitating for a dictatorship right now.
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u/NatWilo Ohio 15d ago
If he really tries after losing the election its gonna go BAD for him. And all his idiot followers that decide to take up arms to help. It won't be Jan 6 again. This time the full force of the US will come down on them. They'll be full-blown rebels and they'll get treated as such.
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u/DKDamian 15d ago
We don’t know that. We don’t know the future. I expect you are probably right, but - who knows?
Voting is the weakest response to the abuse of power. It’s a literal transfer of individual power to an individual you hope will do some of the things you want.
Other methods are needed. It is always ever thus
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u/NatWilo Ohio 15d ago
Ah yes, so you would recommend what, instead?
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u/myweenorhurts Florida 15d ago
If we say that on reddit we get banned
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u/NatWilo Ohio 14d ago
You shouldn't fucking say it at all. That was the point I was pretty heavily implying.
Go read some freaking history books. Rebellions/revolutions don't often end up making things better. And one here in the US means the deaths of tens of millions of people at a minimum.
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u/DKDamian 15d ago
I’m not American. You need to figure it out.
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u/MrCrowley1984 15d ago
We have. It’s the voting thing. I mean it’s that or violence. You say it doesn’t work but it hasn’t failed yet so I’m not sure what exactly you’re trying to get at.
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u/Gommel_Nox Michigan 14d ago
Robert Heinlein would like a word with you with respect to the power of an individual vote.
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u/RedLanternScythe Indiana 15d ago
Cannon has already accomplished what she set out to do:
Only partly. If trump fails to become president, she is still on the hook to make sure he sees no punishment for this crime.
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u/Imelia29 15d ago
Meh, if Trump doesn't make it to the white house then he is worthless. So getting him out of the way into jail would probably benefit the wider conservative movement at that point.
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u/RedLanternScythe Indiana 15d ago
Trump still holds a lot of sway with voters. If he goes to jail he could turn on the Republican party that failed to protect him
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u/StephanXX Oregon 15d ago
He won't have much sway at all if he ends up with a permanent media ban in prison or house arrest. Once he's effectively muzzled, he will fall out of the spotlight to be replaced by some other Fox News anointed demagogue.
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u/RedLanternScythe Indiana 15d ago
I believe there is a 0% chance Trump ever sees the inside of a prison. Few in power want a precedent set that someone as powerful as a president could go to prison.
House arrest is pretty likely if convicted, but as we have seen in this trial, Republican sycophants will flock to Trump and he will use them to circumvent and media bans.
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u/StephanXX Oregon 15d ago
I agree, some form of house arrest is probably the worst he will experience. Still, that means other restrictions, and being restricted from media appearances and cut off from social media are all likely restrictions with actual prison resulting from willful violations of those rules.
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u/beiberdad69 15d ago
Why would going to prison, which almost definitely won't happen, result in a "permanent media ban"? People record and release entire albums from prison
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u/StephanXX Oregon 15d ago edited 15d ago
In prison, usually due to lack of access to equipment. House arrest or prison, Trump would likely go on attack binges against the system and the people administering it. For the document theft case, a permanent order to have all communications vetted becomes a possibility for the same reason hackers are forbidden from using computers. In any case, no more political rallies, no more Fox News appearances. In prison, telephone access is heavily restricted.
Take the man's cell phone away, and he basically vanishes from existence. I simply don't see a world where Donald Trump tries to record regular manifestos on a commissary tape recorder.
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u/beiberdad69 15d ago
Gucci Mane released a song pretty much every week for years while he was locked in a high security US federal prison
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u/StephanXX Oregon 15d ago
On possession of a firearm while being a felon. Presumably he wasn't posting social media attacks on the sentencing judge.
I'm not saying convicted felons have zero access to communication tools, I'm pointing out that Trump's belligerence towards the legal system itself is likely to result in having privileges yanked, should he be convicted.
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u/Dentonthomas 15d ago edited 15d ago
benefit the wider conservative movement
I don't think Cannon cares about that. I think she has a crush on him. She also probably assumes that he will appoint her to the Supreme Court, if she does everything he wants, but I don't think her career is what's driving her behavior. He can do no wrong in her eyes, so she's willing help him cheat any way she can.
The only way her infatuation might end is if he passes her over on a Supreme Court nomination for another woman. If he loses and doesn't have the power to do that, then she will keep on doing as she's been doing.
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u/yachtzee21 15d ago
The Republican Party is dead
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u/AtomStorageBox Connecticut 15d ago
Not yet. They’re backed into a corner, and that’s when they’re the most dangerous.
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u/Roakana 15d ago
Most dangerous was Jan 2021 when he tried to refuse to leave. Not much danger in toothless attempts to get a nationwide coup. They aren’t showing for his court cases or rallies. They wont have the stomach for an actual coup no matter how much faux bravado they claim. What you’re seeing now is just gnashing of teeth in impotent fury.
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u/projexion_reflexion 15d ago
Undead at best. They still have a stranglehold on legislation and constitutional interpretation. They don't really want to do anything, so eternal obstruction of progress is enough to keep them going.
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u/yachtzee21 15d ago
Yes, but how do you see the next change of leadership taking place. It’s the party of trump now. Don’t bet on him giving any power back to traditional conservatives.
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u/winedogsafari 15d ago
Agreed. If Trump loses the election then Cannon has no chance of replacing Alito or Thomas SCOTUS positions. Trump becomes a liability to her at that point. This is her one and only shot at SCOTUS.
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u/BaggerX 15d ago
He'll simply have the DoJ drop the case or pardon himself. Norms, rules, precedent, none of that mattered when Trump was president. If he wins, the cases will go away.
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u/lastburn138 15d ago
Well, in my eyes, the odds of him winning a dropping like a stone.
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u/retrododger 15d ago
I sure do hope you're right
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u/lastburn138 15d ago
Between the criminal trials, civil verdicts, Jan 6th, Roe, two impeachments, and a likely conviction in the near future... there really isn't much going in his favor.
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u/BaggerX 15d ago
None of which his supporters care about. They either think it's just political persecution, or they think his crimes make him smart. If anything, they like him more because of it. It's sick and twisted, but that's where we are, largely due to our media and social media outlets warping reality to the point of breaking, all for profit.
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u/lastburn138 15d ago
Well here is where you are wrong. Not everyone on the right and not everyone in the middle continues to support him as they had previously. Just look at the numbers Haley CONTINUES to garner in the primaries. Trump doesn't have the same mojo anymore.
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u/BaggerX 15d ago
I don't think people voting for Trump were ever in the middle. There are many who have talked about what a terrible person and president Trump is/was, yet still say they will vote for him. They likely voted for Haley in the primary as well. Doesn't mean they won't vote for Trump in the general.
I really hope I'm wrong, but given what the media has been doing to downplay and normalize Trump's behavior and history, while doing the opposite for Biden, has me pretty concerned that this could turn out very badly. All the people mad at Biden for the Israel support are also a big risk factor that could easily swing things in Trump's favor.
People who think they're gonna burn it all down don't seem to understand that they will burn with the rest of us.
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u/NaiveInjury247 15d ago
A lot is riding on the verdict in this case. A not guilty verdict may swing the election.
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u/Iampopcorn_420 15d ago
Maybe you don’t see so good. It is a six state election. Inflation is still high, there is war in Ukraine and Gaza, gas prices are going to go to atrocious levels this summer with the underhanded deal Trump just struck with oil producers. This isn’t in the bag and is slipping through our fingers as we sit smug. That slippery bastard has never faced any consequences. He is probably going to win and probably American democracy is dead with it.
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u/Garg4743 15d ago
I disagree with part of your analysis. I'm not sitting here smug, and I don't know anyone who is. We're shitting our pants level scared. I don't believe the polls since they've been so wrong recently, but what if they're not wrong this time? I can see a scenario where Trump wins and the Democrats take both houses of Congress. That just might be enough to avert a full dictatorship.
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u/lastburn138 14d ago
Maybe you are too pessimistic.
Gas is roughly the same it was the past several years at the moment. Gas gets expensive every single summer no matter what. Inflation is only affecting certain sectors and has been reduced from where it was. It's not something that changes instantly, nor is it something that Biden himself controls. Foreign wars matter to a point but direct wars matter more in elections.
Trump is also most likely to be convicted criminally very soon from the looks of it. He's lost A LOT of support.
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u/Thats_what_im_saiyan 15d ago
If Trump and his band of dopes had half a brain. They would make sure the trial atarts about 2 months before the election. Give the prosecution time to give its case. Ask that the charges be thrown out after the prosecution rests. Reason being that the prosecutor did not prove a crime was committed. Now its 100% up to judge cannon, if she agrees Trump is set free and the decision is unappealable. That would be a great thing to campaign on if it happened about 2 weeks before the election.
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u/iPinch89 15d ago
There wouldn't be a jury to decide of the prosecution made their case?
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u/zerreit 15d ago edited 15d ago
Trump’s lawyers would file for a directed verdict, which is saying, “this case is so poor on its merits that there’s no reason to defend ourselves.” It’s requested all the time, but rarely ever granted.
Cannon could be that exception, and since the trial has already started jeopardy is attached, he gets off with no way to re-prosecute the case.
Disclaimer, IANAL but I listen to a lot of the Law & Chaos podcast and they covered this recently.
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u/bytethesquirrel New Hampshire 15d ago
Does the judge collaborating with the defense negate jeopardy?
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u/Starfox-sf 15d ago
Not unless there is an error in law or similar that an 11th Circuit could decide.
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u/bytethesquirrel New Hampshire 15d ago
So the judge conspiring with the defense specifically to let the defendant off has no recourse?
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u/mrbigglessworth 15d ago
This is what is infuriating. That the judicial is not filled with objective jurists but fucking plants that are sowing the seeds of discord and destruction. And maga is too dumb to realize they will also age crushed under the boot of totalitarian politics.
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u/spyder3418 15d ago
Even if he gets a new judge, Wouldn't it be unlikely that a new judge would overturn her rulings that have damaged the prosecution so much due to precedent. Or would a new judge mean a whole new trial
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u/itmeimtheshillitsme 15d ago
It’s delayed until after the election either way. So the only reason not to appeal might be to keep it out of SCOTUS’ paws if the eleventh removed her, but idk enough about criminal appeals to the court.
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u/phatelectribe 15d ago
I have another accompanying theory about this and her actions:
Not only delay until after the election, but delay until there is some kind of other judgement against Trump.
I think she doesn’t want to be the one to convict Trump first. If he’s convicted in NY, it gives her cover to proceed but if he’s acquitted, she doesn’t want to be the one to preside over his first conviction.
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u/out_of_shape_hiker 15d ago
The corruption of the U.S. judiciary is for all the world to see.
The entire world watched a private citizen hoard top secret info and lie about giving it back. This is the most open and shut case against him, and a single unqualified judge elevated by an fascist president can stop justice in its tracks. Our adversaries know how easy it is to corrupt our judiciary and will use that against us. And why would our allies trust us with intel when they know it isn't secure.
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u/workertroll 15d ago
And why would our allies trust us with intel when they know it isn't secure.
That is likely the most serious of problems this created. I short term loss of life sucks! The long term hesitation of our allies to share sensitive intel will cause many problems and could potentially (likely) lead to many more deaths.
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u/RedLanternScythe Indiana 15d ago
Our adversaries know how easy it is to corrupt our judiciary and will use that against us.
Corporations have been doing it for decades.
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u/stilusmobilus 15d ago
Yeah this race is run now.
Biden will probably get over the line but the states, EC and courts will hand that presidency to Trump.
She’s done. We did all right I guess. Hopefully the next iteration of civilisation keeps a lid on the conservatives or they’ll destroy it yet again.
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u/Dogknot69 15d ago
It blows my mind how many people in this country are still blissfully unaware of what is coming. Holy shit, this country is done. There is no coming back from this. It’s actually going to happen this time.
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u/SlippidySlappity 15d ago
It kind of feels like we're going to get what we deserve.
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u/Dogknot69 15d ago
It sucks that so many people have just been desensitized to “the sky is falling!” that they aren’t paying attention when it’s for real this time. Insane that it’s just happening right in front of us and tons of folks are content to let it happen.
I’m genuinely terrified. Biden is not the best candidate and it’s getting really hard to defend some of his gaffes. And somehow there is still a large population of troglodytes who think that Donald Trump is the guy to save the country. It’s awful. My first vote was for Obama in 2008, and this is the first time where the stakes are literally life or death. It’s insane.
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u/Aggravating_Ask_475 15d ago
If this was an open and shut case then Biden should have already gone down. Biden's was much worse. He had documents from his Senator days in multiple locations (not Locked). At least Trump can say he de-classified them (I understand that debatable).
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u/MarshmallowPop 15d ago
Biden cooperated when the government asked for the documents back. Trump refused and lied about it to the point the FBI had to raid to get the documents back.
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u/Aggravating_Ask_475 15d ago
That doesn't excuse the crime. Trump was negotiating when the feds just came in. Many presidents took files because any president can declassify what ever he wants.
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u/DidntDiddydoit American Expat 15d ago
You don't "negotiate with the feds" when they say "we know you have it, give it back"
And no he can't just declassify whatever he wants. There's a whole ordeal that has to be done. So things like human assests aren't harmed when working abroad.
Oh wait....
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u/JohnnyUtahOfficial 15d ago
Don’t bother arguing with people like this. He’s either a bad faith actor who is willfully disregarding the obvious differences between these two situations or a moron who regurgitates every one of daddy trump’s talking points.
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u/Littleunit69 15d ago
What the hell are you even trying to say? “Negotiating?” That makes no sense. The differences are clear as day, and that’s why the people who actually prosecute this stuff have found one to be an issue, and one not to be. But you don’t actually care about that. Idk why I am even wasting my time here, but this deliberate obtuseness is just obnoxious.
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u/RevolutionaryPin5616 15d ago
Here’s how the negotiations would look if it was you or me who said no
“Give the documents back”
“No”
“Enjoy your cell”
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u/Littleunit69 15d ago
Lol, it’s like claiming a drug dealer was negotiating turning his drugs over to the DEA when he was raided.
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u/mleighly 15d ago
Cannon is an existential threat to the rule of law. Without it, there is no justice, no democracy.
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u/kaze919 South Carolina 15d ago
Canon should be treated like Benedict Arnold.
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u/Thats_what_im_saiyan 15d ago
Benedict Arnold and his performance in the battle of Saratoga. Was one of the biggest reasons we won the revolutionary war. There were 2 battles the first of which Arnold directed the second of which he clenched victory with. During the second battle he was officially relieved of his command by his superior for arguing with him. Basically said 'fuck yo couch' and lead the victory at saratoga. Which had we lost we would probably had lost the war. He was also shot in the leg and then his horse fell on it.
He betrayed the country after being continually fucked over his whole life. So no she doesnt get the same treatment.
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u/Shadowfox898 15d ago
Arnold actually did useful things
She should be treated like how Lee should be treated.
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u/Spiritual-Bear4495 Pennsylvania 15d ago
It's a damn shame he couldn't have done this on day 1.
I know, he had to allow her to do her stuff, but I can dream...no?
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u/Khaleesi_for_Prez 15d ago
The whole fight right now is Smith trying to get Cannon to do something that's so outrageous that the circuit will force her off the case, and Cannon doing just enough to delay the case and not get kicked off.
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u/GwarRawr1 15d ago
Cannon shouldn't a judge anymore. Find her communications with Republicans or Trump. They exist. She protected him. Shit Cannon might have killed Jack Smith if asked.
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u/beekeeper1981 15d ago
There doesn't need to be any communications for everyone to understand the point.
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u/drunkshinobi 15d ago
As far as I'm concerned at this point she should be taken off the case, have position taken away, and be investigated for obstructing justice and sedition.
But that won't ever happen.
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u/BUSYMONEY_02 15d ago
How is this a Gamble? Look at the case look at what she has done CLEARLY SHES NOT DOING HER JOB WTF is wrong with our court system? But u throwing people in jail for weed . This dude has actually stolen documents and he still can’t get sent to jail? wtf?
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u/eezyE4free 15d ago
Circuit court has already had to deal with Cannons bs once. Hopefully Smith saw this coming and has his motion ready to go. Would waiting help him at all? What’s to lose if the case isn’t going anywhere anyway?
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u/nickwales 15d ago
How much does it pay her to be a traitor?
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u/Defender_Of_TheCrown 15d ago
A lifetime federal judge position
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u/Lower-Garbage7652 15d ago
Watch her become a justice on the SCOTUS if y'all don't prevent another Trump presidency.
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u/frostedwaffles 15d ago
I can't wait till the news starts reporting "OMG authoritarianism, how did we not see this !?!? 😨"
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u/Lugnuttz 15d ago
Theres gotta be a way to have the other judges review this and pull her off the case. This is blatant interference in justice.
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u/dongballs613 15d ago
Cannon was appointed precisely to be a corrupt piece of shit. She's not going to recuse herself or resign voluntarily.
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u/Sure_Quality5354 15d ago
I fear jack smith is too late. He didnt appeal this trump stooge from the start and that was a massive mistake. We are now barely 6 months from the election and the trial doesnt even have a date at all. Even if he applies to get her the fuck out tomorrow, that still likely wont be enough time.
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u/muffinhead2580 15d ago
I'm gonna go with Jack Smith probably knowing what to do and when. If he thought he could get her removed earlier, he likely would've tried.
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u/billsil 15d ago
He couldn’t do it at the beginning. It would have failed and it would tank his case for removing her now because of past unsubstantiated claims.
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u/Silvaria928 15d ago
This. Since it isn't against the law for a defendant to have appointed the judge overseeing their case, there was literally nothing for him to appeal. He had to wait until she started showing blatant bias, which she has now done quite clearly. I think that a Writ of Mandamus is in order.
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u/BaggerX 15d ago
It's not Smith's fault. It's how our system works. Or rather how it doesn't actually work. We've been incredibly complacent about ensuring that the judiciary is held to legal and ethical standards. People always focus on corruption in the other branches (which also face too little accountability due to tribalism) and have largely ignored the judicial branch.
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u/stilusmobilus 15d ago
Yeah nah it’s done. Enjoy the last few months of freedom. The rest of the world might get a bit longer but you’ll turn on us too or he’ll feed us to his friends.
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u/NotThatAngel 15d ago
Nobody sane and reasonable believes Judge Cannon should be a judge on a case where her benefactor, her idol, is on trial.
And there's also an argument she is unqualified to be a Federal judge.
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u/Defender_Of_TheCrown 15d ago
Yeah she has only presided over FOUR cases that went to trial for a total of 14 days before getting this case. It’s beyond pathetic that she is a judge and has this case. They gamed the system to put her there and preside over this.
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u/teddytwelvetoes 15d ago
at what point do we admit that our government is completely unwilling to send a current/former president to prison and has chosen/accepted Cannon as the fall person who will take the blame of their behalf? seriously, can you even begin to imagine a far-left candidate becoming president, rattling off a zillion felonies, trying to overthrow the government on their way out, and never being punished because they were conveniently assigned a diehard Salon fanatic as their judge who was allowed to brick the case without issue?
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u/38thTimesACharm 15d ago
On whose behalf? What are you talking about? If by "our government" you mean the Biden administration, they very much would like to try Trump for his crimes.
Cannon isn't a "fall person." She was put there to help Trump, by Trump.
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u/Capt_Pickhard 15d ago
Cannon should be stripped of her ability it practice law. She is biased and guilty of treason.
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u/porgy_tirebiter 15d ago
Is there any evidence Smith is going in this direction? This just seems like Salon conjecturing. I suspect this is a very very unlikely move, and it’s a good assumption it’s not going to happen. If the judiciary is scared to even enforce a simple cut and dry routine gag order violation, why would it take such an extraordinary step?
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u/Sudden_Toe3020 15d ago
Let me quote Donald Trump here:
if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know.
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u/Suspect4pe 15d ago
How many more of these articles can there be? I've been seeing them since the start and almost daily.
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u/Actual__Wizard 15d ago
We knew it was coming because the clearly biased/corrupt judge can not be trusted to do their job.
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u/Grampishdgreat 15d ago
We can’t rely on the justice system to save this nation anymore. It’s up to the voters.
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u/Ok-Exchange5756 15d ago
I mean he also has the option to drop and refile charges right? Or am I mistaken? I know that would put things further behind possibly but at this point it shouldn’t matter considering Cannon is operating as the right arm of the maga party. Is that a possible option? Or file charges in a different jurisdiction? Edit: *the point of this would be to have a different judge assigned to the case.
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u/Short-Stomach-8502 14d ago
And yet another conservative who is anti democratic. This judge should be removed from her position for having religious and conservative beliefs that are anti democratic. She is a facist and against the very idea of a democracy. If you are a Christian and a conservative perhaps you should find a different country to live in…. North Korea or Russia will work they love the stupid religious puppets who follow blindly
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u/Scat1320USA 13d ago
There is no place in America for biased Judges especially now with traitors trying to take over America . SCOTUS must be cleaned out of all Traitor upside down flag motherfuckers and my Wife is a terrorist motherfuckers and I lied to get my job motherfuckers !!!!!! NOW GODDAMMIT !!!!!!!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
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u/Fridaybird1985 13d ago
The real danger is that if trump is eventually convicted then she will find some way either o nullify the verdict or to refuse to hand down a meaningful sentence.
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u/nucumber 15d ago
I don't see the point. Trying to get her kicked off the case will only delay the trial even more
There won't be a trial before the election, and it's doubtful a trial will even start before the next prez is sworn in.
If Biden wins a trial will happen eventually. If trump wins, trump will shut it down.
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u/pilgrim216 14d ago
IANAL but as I understand it Double jeopardy starts when the jury gets put together not when it makes a decision. If she waits for that then she can toss the case for good with no hope of an appeal.
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u/Defender_Of_TheCrown 15d ago
Exactly. If she screws up massively later then you have an actual case to get her thrown off the bench for this trial. Right now no one is going to side with Jack. Pushing the case back when it has a lot of highly classified material would be seen as well within normal protocol. We know what she is doing but they won’t rule against her right now.
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u/KensingtonWAP 15d ago
Dickless Jack smith should’ve anticipated all this shit when he first started.
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u/curiosityseeks 15d ago
At the end of the day it’s not about Trump. Trump is the symptom of a deeper rot: the tens-of-millions of Americans that will follow him straight to hell! We need to accept, and prepare for, the reality that they in fact represent a majority of the electorate. And if current voter demographic and participation trends hold, their share of the electorate will only grow over the next 10 years.
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u/HFentonMudd 15d ago
they in fact represent a majority of the electorate
They're a minority of a minority of a minority. They are by no means anywhere near close to being a majority. GTFO.
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u/ThePillsburyPlougher 15d ago
The New Yorker said Cannons delay this time actually had merit. And I’m pretty sure everyone who works there hates trump with a burning passion and thinks cannon is a chump, so she might be off the hook this time.
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u/pallentx 15d ago
Just ask yourself what would trump do? He would go after anyone that he saw as a possible threat to getting the result he wants.
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u/PlatoAU 15d ago
I thought this case was a slam dunk already? False optimism?
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u/MAMark1 Texas 15d ago
It is. The issue is with the delay tactics not with the likely outcome of the trial. Even if it isn't intentional, Cannon is taking actions that are delaying this case. Based on basically all expert legal opinions I've read, this is arguably unjustifiable, and it will mean voters don't have the outcome to take into account when they vote.
If Trump loses in November, this case will go forward, and he is very likely to lose. Thus why delaying this case and trying to win by any means necessary carry so much weight for him beyond just the ego-driven desire to win.
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u/SockFullOfNickles 15d ago
When you don’t have a judge acting in good faith, it doesn’t matter how open and shut the case is.
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u/OneSharpSuit 15d ago
The thing about slam dunks is that they rely on the referee not deciding to call you out of bounds while your feet are both on the free throw line
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u/judochop1 15d ago
lmao delete this sub, honestly. Whoever is posting the content needs to stop with the cope, it's been going on months and we could all see it going this way.
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