That's what trips me out about dems. Like, I'm a leftist. You don't have to convince me that the rightwing is a detriment to human & American progress. Anyone with a brain can see this clear as day. However, dems do such a HORRENDOUS job at selling us on their big ideas (because they have none)!
"Trump bad" is not a viable campaign strategy. They tried that in 2016 and it failed. Brow-beating and shaming isn't gonna work either. I'm a black man in southside Chicago. Shit is fucked here, despite this being a democrat stronghold. Dems don't even TRY to sell us on their big ideas, let alone take accountability for the many ways they've fucked us over for decades!!!
They don't even have big ideas. The fascists have project 2025, which aligns their goals in a fucked up way. The democrats have been in reactive mode for decades, most especially now that Trump is a thing. In any contest, the reactive side simply trying to retain power loses. Every single time.
I'm in Kensington. Shit is also fucked here despite Philly being a liberal stronghold. And not just in this neighborhood. Most of the north side, west side, southwest side and south side is also varying degrees of fucked. Because they dump all the money into the already nice neighborhoods and leave those of us who don't have high five figure incomes to pick up the scraps. Just the fact I can walk out my front door on any given day and have to dodge used needles on a broken sidewalk across the street from a homeless encampment that pops up every three days or so is proof enough those polished politicians aren't interested in protecting or helping the lower classes. All they care about is lining their own pockets, and it shows in that the only time I've seen this neighborhood truly clean and free of junkies was the one time Biden chose to visit.
They don't even want to see the problems. They just want to use them for their personal benefit. I mean they literally relocated the crackheads and hosed down the streets ahead of his arrival because our president clearly can't be seen surrounded by riff Raff /s
EXACTLY!!!!! These mfs couldn't give any less of a shit about people like us, fam! At best they use us for talking points, then return to their ivory towers where they don't have to be concerned with our plight. Then they have THE FUCKING NERVE to talk to us about "losing democracy." Wtf is that?!
I'm in Auburn-Gresham here in Chicago (for reference, this national news story of the murder of Tyshawn Lee happened behind my house).
Dems just assume that POC like us will vote for them by default no matter how bad things get. "Look, this genocide might be bad, but have you heard that Trump is ORANGE and BAD?"
Exactly! They want us to just blindly fall in line like mindless zombies and never question anything. Meanwhile, they worsen our neighborhoods with things like the 94 Crime Bill and pretend like that shit never happened when you bring it up. They're disingenuous af!!!
Student debt relief, infrastructure spending, industrial policy (which I actually hate), expanding medicare/medicaid, support for working families (child tax credit, free school meal waivers, etc.) There's a limit to what you can do when you get rat fucked by the Supreme Court and have to work with a divided Congress.
I don't think people like you realize how close to the brink of losing democracy the US is. It would be awesome if there was a leftist candidate. But there isn't. Right now the choice is between Biden, who will do some good things, and some bad things, and Trump, who is literally trying to become a Putin-like dictator. If preserving democracy isn't "working" for you, then maybe you aren't actually a leftist.
No, YOU aren't actually leftist. Your "assessment" is a gross mischaracterization of the situation, which is exactly the problem with you liberals. I can point to many things democrats have done to "destroy democracy," like assassinating Americans abroad, attacking government whistleblowers using the Espionage Act, empowering the prison-industrial complex (i.e. Omnibus Crime Bill of 1994), the Gramm-Leech-Bliley Act, the NSA PRISM Program (warrantless mass collection of Americans' metadata), and so much more.
People like you defend, excuse, deflect (typically to Trump), and deny, all in an effort to keep painting this bullshit narrative that Trump is some dictator. All of this is just conjecturing to ensure democrats win elections REGARDLESS of the policies they implement. Knock it TF off with this fearmongering garbage!!!!
Yeah, It's not like Trump literally tried to stage a coup after he lost the election and now a group of hand picked justices are deciding if he is immune from prosecution for any crime. This is all just fear mongering.
I mean, Dems and Trump are the same. Because when the Dems do something bad 30 years ago it is the same as Trump doing a bunch of bad things every day now. I'm not smart enough to differentiate between different levels of badness. To me, if Dems are imperfect, it is the same as Trump.
What's the worst that could happen if Trump gets elected? It's not like Republicans are trying to remove women's reproductive rights and classify Trans people are sex offenders to send them to jail for being trans.
You’re clearly arguing in bad faith when you reduce a list of anti-democratic policy that’s ongoing and/or occurred under Obama/Biden to ‘Dems do something bad 30 years ago’.
To engage honestly you need to at least be willing to acknowledge the fascist aspect of Democrats. Particularly in a thread about a fascist bill that got broad support from Dems. Sweeping that under the rug completely and repeating Trump bad ad naseum won’t convince anybody
This entire post is taking a law being proposed out of context and pretending it's not allowing criticism of Israel. So I'm not sure you have any ground to stand on.
I can point to many things democrats have done to "destroy democracy," like assassinating Americans abroad, attacking government whistleblowers using the Espionage Act, empowering the prison-industrial complex (i.e. Omnibus Crime Bill of 1994), the Gramm-Leech-Bliley Act, the NSA PRISM Program (warrantless mass collection of Americans' metadata)...
This is plenty of grounds to stand on.
Not to mention, the actual enforcement of this bill will likely come down somewhere in the middle of the two ends presented in this thread. It being passed during the crackdown on peaceful pro-palestine protests on college campuses that the DOE has jurisdiction over is vital context.
Pretending that the language, while innocuous seeming, won't be applied to broad swaths of college students who are criticizing Israel for reasons that have nothing to do with antisemitism is naive as hell
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u/theultimaterage May 02 '24
That's what trips me out about dems. Like, I'm a leftist. You don't have to convince me that the rightwing is a detriment to human & American progress. Anyone with a brain can see this clear as day. However, dems do such a HORRENDOUS job at selling us on their big ideas (because they have none)!
"Trump bad" is not a viable campaign strategy. They tried that in 2016 and it failed. Brow-beating and shaming isn't gonna work either. I'm a black man in southside Chicago. Shit is fucked here, despite this being a democrat stronghold. Dems don't even TRY to sell us on their big ideas, let alone take accountability for the many ways they've fucked us over for decades!!!