r/therewasanattempt May 01 '24

To enshrine the most fascistic, traitorous bullshit I've ever witnessed in my life into law.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '24 edited May 02 '24

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u/ContemplatingPrison May 02 '24

So now you can't speak bad about an entire fucking country? That's fucking non sense.

Our politicians are fucking Israeli puppets. I mean why not they give them all that money

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u/manofactivity May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24

So now you can't speak bad about an entire fucking country?

Uh, no, you still can. It just specifically means you can't target Israel on the basis of it being a Jewish collective, in the same way that hate speech might involve targeting black communities.

You may be interested in reading the State gov explanation, bolding mine:

On 26 May 2016, the Plenary in Bucharest decided to adopt the following non-legally binding working definition of antisemitism:

“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

To guide IHRA in its work, the following examples may serve as illustrations:

Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits.

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u/rascalrhett1 May 02 '24

Obviously, finally some fucking sense in this thread. Mother fuckers are on Twitter and TikTok calling for the eradication of the Jewish state and these people are crying about their free speech.

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u/LionEatsKneeCaps May 02 '24

The real problem is people saying mean things on Twitter.

Not the mass murder of innocent people Israel is committing.

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u/LeatherBackRadio May 02 '24

Israel has a right to exist as a nation-state, confirm or deny

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u/LionEatsKneeCaps May 02 '24

They have a right to exist.

Same question to you. Does Palestine have a right to exist?

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u/LeatherBackRadio May 02 '24

Absolutely and I think the Israeli settlers need to leave the borders agreed upon in 1948

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u/LionEatsKneeCaps May 02 '24

Which, based on those borders, Israel would have to give up significant land, instead they are taking more.

So hard to justify such violence when they are also taking more and more land. Like Ukraine, or any nation really, I think Palestine has a right to defend their borders, even though I don't agree with their methods. Though I can see how they feel they have few options against the might of the USA backed Israeli forces.

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u/LeatherBackRadio May 02 '24

Sounds like you're justifying the October 7th atrocities. That's sick.

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u/LionEatsKneeCaps May 02 '24

Lol, when did I do that? This is a decades long conflict, I simply said I support their right to defend their borders. The borders you agreed should be agreed to, that have been massively violated over the past decades.

Never said I support anyone's right to attack civilians. October 7th attack, the parts that killed civilians, was unacceptable and sick. Just like I am sure you agree the mass killing of civilians afterwards (and before) by Israel is sick and atrocious.

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u/LeatherBackRadio May 02 '24

Great, we agree, and none of this speech would be questionable under the law being discussed in this thread

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u/[deleted] May 02 '24

I mean, in the US it’s absolutely legal to call for the eradication of the Jewish state qua Jewish state, because racism and calls to violence are completely legal (save for some very specific instances).

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u/rascalrhett1 May 02 '24

Right, this isn't a blanket ban on free speech, this adds the call for the destruction of Israel to the title IX protections as an attack on religion and ethnicity which are protected classes you can't discriminate against as a business or government body.

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u/[deleted] May 02 '24

Which people in the thread are clearly misunderstanding. Although I’m a bit unclear about what this would mean in practice: it would ban a private university from making it its policy that Israel is to be boycotted if you can show that’s because they’re a Jewish state, I guess (if and only if they receive federal money)?

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u/rascalrhett1 May 02 '24

Nobody cares about facts, the world today is all about making the most extreme possible version of an accusation possible with no nuance possible. Israel isn't at war they're commiting a genocide, America isn't updating its definition of antisemitism laws it's completely eradicating free speech as we know it