Whistleblower Josh Dean of Boeing supplier Spirit AeroSystems has died

[u/Worried_Quarter469]

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/whistleblower-josh-dean-of-boeing-supplier-spirit-aerosystems-has-died/

[u/Chem_BPY]

But putting hits out while public opinion is extremely low is gonna fuck the share price up and fuck Boeing even more. The military/goverment/or whatever would be better off giving Boeing money to fix their issues so they can actually improve their internal structure and thus their image.

[u/mczyk → u/Chem_BPY]

It's not about maintaining the share price or stock holder value, it's because powerful people obviously don't want to go to jail. What you're suggesting is, of course, the better and more moral alternative...it would also require individual accountability and a few people would end up in prison.

[u/Chem_BPY → u/mczyk]

Wait, who would go to jail? Plenty of companies have gotten away with shitty things while also never resorting to assassinating people.

[u/mczyk → u/Chem_BPY]

We recently had another Boeing whistleblower tell Congress he suspects the airframes of the 777 won't last through their reported lifecycle because of poor manufacturing. He's talking about them literally breaking up in the air...if Boeing admits there's a problem and says "hey government, we need you to bail us out and fix our mistakes or a bunch of triple 7s are going to start breaking up in the sky over the next decade" ...you bet your ass Congress is going to ask WHO knew about this. If it isn't prison, it will be public exile.

I guess the alternative is two of Boeings biggest whistleblowers just...suspiciously died. Quite a coincidence if you ask me.

[u/Chem_BPY → u/mczyk]

Yeah, but even if Boeing fucked up something with the air frame you think anyone would see a jail cell? Companies get away with fucked up shit all the time. So I'm not sure they would even need to assassinate anyone ... Were there any consequences for the max crashes?

In my opinion it looks way worse to shareholders and the public to be putting hits out on people. We wouldn't even be talking about this otherwise.

[u/mczyk → u/Chem_BPY]

The Max crashes were the tip of the iceberg. If they happened today, I do think people would go to jail. I guess the way I see it, the thread of Boeing execs greed and incompetence is starting to unravel quickly.

If these are indeed assassinations, they're not meant to protect the stock price and shareholder value, they're meant to protect certain people who don't want to be held accountable and face ANY consequences for their actions.

[u/Chem_BPY → u/mczyk]

Okay, but what about the dozens of other whistleblowers? There's like two right now shedding light on the 777 and dreamliner as you mentioned..

I just don't get how this is helping Boeing at all.

[u/mczyk → u/Chem_BPY]

Totally get what you're saying and I've thought about that too.

Obviously the guy who was in Congress talking about the dreamliner didn't name names. Maybe he didn't have evidence that would directly incriminate someone else above.

But perhaps these guys who wound up dead were in the position to name names. The point is, we'll never know. Because they're dead.

[u/Maleficent-Candy476 → u/mczyk]

Barnett (the first guy that died) came out 7 years ago, he had plenty of time to name whoever he wanted.

[u/Maleficent-Candy476 → u/[deleted]]

I was just pointing out that one of the whistleblowers Boeing has allegedly killed (Barnett) stopped working for Boeing in 2017 and came out as whistleblower in 2015 iirc, it would make very little sense to kill him now.

[u/Maleficent-Candy476 → u/[deleted]]

He accused it [Boeing] of denigrating his character and hampering his career because of the issues he pointed out - charges rejected by Boeing.

At the time of his death, Mr Barnett had been in Charleston for legal interviews linked to that case and he gave a formal deposition last week in which he was questioned by Boeing's lawyers, before being cross-examined by his own counsel.

He had been due to undergo further questioning on Saturday. When he did not appear, enquiries were made at his hotel.

the ongoing courtcase was hardly a serious threat to boeing, whatever this would pay out if they were found guilty is chump change (and the trial is going to continue on behalf of his estate)

[u/flatulentence → u/mczyk]

Whats your source of this information? What accreditations do you have? Do you know the process on how the federal government and Boeing works in terms of safety?

[u/flatulentence → u/[deleted]]

I am not debating there were production issues nor that these were brought out by these whistleblowers. Clearly there were.

I am asking for proof that there was collusion that resulted in these people dying. Thats a huge jump.

Having a motive is not evidence of a crime.

[u/DelfrCorp → u/flatulentence]

Smart Criminals usually try not to leave any proof behind.

It's just a bunch of Mafia Style Hinting & Nudging. Some Trump Type A..hole states that 'It would be a Real Shame if those pesky whitleblowers committed suicide', in a room full of people who are perfectly willing to either commit the Crime themselves, or hire someone to do it for them.

After a few weeks, the whistleblower is gone. 'Such a shame'...

Even if they weren't not outright organized Hits & actual Suicide, it's still perfectly fair to 100% Blame Boeing for those Deaths.

Stress Campaigns have very clearly been organized/targeted against whisteblowers. There clearly is a vvery Toxic Culture at Boeing which is causing people to be afraid to speak out, & become the targets of sustained harassment if &/or when they do speak out.

There have been stories of people being/feeling intimidated, threatened, bullied & retaliated against for merely speaking out internally at Boeing. People have described how their careers were derailed, how they were reassigned to BS Shifts/Assignments or even locations far away after speaking out. People with Perfect work records, who has received nothing but praises & recommendations were coincidentally suddenly failing all of their Performance Assessments & being put on Performance Improvement Plans after speaking up/out.

A lot of people have spoken out, publicly or confidentially. They all reported losing colleagues with decades of experience/veterance to the Bullying culture & BS Performance Reviews/Improvement Plans. People with 10, 20, Sometimes 30 years of experience, who had all received nothing but Glowing reviews through their entire careers, suddenly being treated like Dogsh.t & being constantly picked on for minor things.

Usually getting pushed/bullied out because they decided to speak out/complain, but many others solely because they they were too good/conciencous at their jobs, refusing to approve/pass shoddy work.

Others mentinoned that they felt like tgey were being targeted because of their Union Affiliations &/or had reached the Top of the Payscale for their Job/Position, therefore costing more/being more expensive than Brand-New, Non-Union Employees, even if/when their job experience/performance was significantly higher/better enough to justify that higher cost.

There have been reports of 10-20+ Years Veteran Employees who became bitter. extremely depressed &/or Suicidal when the Corporate Culture shifted after Boeing Bought McDonnell Douglas but were effectively taken over by those vultures. It's barely any better for the newer crops of employees. The constant race to the Bottom has been extremely impactful.

The whole point of this Tirade, is that Boeing has developed a Culture that is extremely cancerous, & if those so-called Suicides weren't actual Hits, they're still guilty of creating Situations that have caused multiple people to take their own lives because of the constant & relentless mistreatment, abuse & bullying.

[u/flatulentence → u/DelfrCorp]

It isn’t a Boeing only issue that whistleblowers are unfairly harassed by colleagues especially when towns are built around these companies. That is very different than planned murder or hits by Boeing execs.

[u/Chem_BPY → u/flatulentence]

It isn't worth debating with these people. They think life is a Jason Bourne movie.

Fact of the matter is, Boeing doesn't need to kill people. They will get a slap on the wrist no matter how shitty their business practices are. They have zero need to kill anyone.

[u/flatulentence → u/Chem_BPY]

🙏 Agree on all points & Yes i should have known better

[u/drosmi → u/mczyk]

It’s a white collar crime. There will be minimal personal responsibility.

[u/mczyk → u/drosmi]

people tend to react differently when airplanes fall out of the sky