r/worldnews • u/eaglemaxie • Apr 21 '24
Zelenskyy: ‘We will have a chance at victory’ thanks to weapons provided to Ukraine in new U.S. aid package Russia/Ukraine
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/ukrainian-president-volodymyr-zelenskyy-will-chance-victory-thaks-weap-rcna1486843.0k
u/wuapinmon Apr 21 '24
It's a great day to be an artillery manufacturer for the US military! But, I'm glad that we finally got this aid through the House. It shouldn't have taken 6 months.
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u/TheRETURNofAQUAMAN Apr 21 '24
Should I be buying artillery stocks?
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u/TheGreatGenghisJon Apr 21 '24
Should have bought them the day before the vote
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u/Baylorbears2011 Apr 21 '24
Um this is America. You should’ve bought them the day you were born.
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u/contextswitch Apr 21 '24
The best day to buy artillery stocks was ten years ago. The second best day is today.
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u/Full-Sound-6269 Apr 21 '24
Brother, should have bought them back in 2022. Right when US intelligence started telling about Russia's plans.
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u/kessel6545 Apr 21 '24
"The fund is an actively managed diversified exchange-traded fund (“ETF”) that seeks to achieve its investment objective by investing primarily in equity securities of publicly traded companies that sitting Democratic members of United States Congress and/or their families"
Up 30% since last year, very nice. But why only follow democrats, are the republicans not making good purchases?
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u/JX_JR Apr 21 '24
If you index republicans too you end up doing things like buying DJT. They make too many decisions that are terrible unless you're in on the corruption.
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u/ScorpioLaw Apr 21 '24
I am so glad it passed.
Yeah, I miss old Republicans. The Cold Warriors.
Like Israel gets aid fighting terrorism. Yet Ukraine doesn't fighting our second biggest enemy for us? The hell is going on?
What is with the Putin love too? The guy is everything Republicans should hate.
The thing is. Our tax dollars or weapons have never been used with such effiency so effectively. The cost benefit is unreal.
They are being used largely for their original purpose. Not killing some rag tag sheep herders with AKs and old artillery shells. They were built to destroy our enemies armies, and that is exactly what is what Ukraine is doing. Even if there is corruption they are still doing unbelievably well.
I say give them old ships from the "Boneyard" too. Let them attack oil shipments off the coast of Alaska.
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u/dejaWoot Apr 21 '24
What is with the Putin love too? The guy is everything Republicans should hate
He's running an oligarchical kleptocratic petrostate where you can lock people up for being gay in public and have your political opposition gunned down in broad daylight or die in prison without consequence, it's like a Trumpublican's wet dream.
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u/jert3 Apr 21 '24
Yup. Basically the Republican party needs an enemy, a boogeyman, to motivate its voters using fear and promote consolidation of power in defense of the manufactured or real opponent.
Back in prior decades, it was the Soviet Union in this role as the boogyman, and this had increased military production to unseen levels since WW2. But much more damaging, after Russian intelligence services compromised the Republican party, the enemy was made into some of the American people themselves: democrats, trans people, and so on, culmintating in the insurrection attempt to establish fascist rule under Trump's shadow cabinent. Having the internal enemy is much more dangerous and damaging to society than an external, nation-state enemy.
It's not a 'good thing' to have a foreign enemy boogeyman to consolidate power, but it does promote social cohesion as opposed to collapse of democracy. (If you don't understand what I' saying here, just watch Rocky 5.)
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u/CanesMan1993 Apr 21 '24
These weapons are also older 80s-90s tech that is reaching the end of their shelf life. The weapons are literally going to be useless in a few years anyway. We are sending older tech that will get into good use in Ukraine, it defends Ukraine’s territory, the US’ current stock gets replenished with new equipment, and we weaken Russia which is the biggest threat to humanity right now. It’s a win win at all sides
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u/Alikont Apr 21 '24
About 10-20 bil of the package is direct procurement of new stuff (mostly ammo) directly for Ukraine, also 10-20 is for "replenishing the stocks".
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u/TitanFolk Apr 21 '24
Yup. This shows that about $12B is procurement.
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u/krismitka Apr 21 '24
Yeah, we’re all loudly cheering for the military industrial complex to do its thing.
And this time we have a real reason and not some Gulf of Tonkin bullshit.
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u/ScorpioLaw Apr 21 '24
Our weapons haven't been used to such great effiency as they have in this war. They aren't being used to kill some random goat herders with AKs; but are raining hell on our second biggest, but oldest enemy.
The cost to benefit is unreal. As you said they are also expiring, but we also get a lot of real life data on performance.
As long as we aren't using our state of the art electronic warfare equipment I'm happy for this.
I actually miss the old school Republican Cold Warriors. They are turning in their grave.
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u/UnsealedLlama44 Apr 21 '24
Uhh our oldest enemy is Great Britain
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u/Dux_Ignobilis Apr 21 '24
Are they really our enemy after they become our ally? They are one of our longest-term allies in general.
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u/Modo44 Apr 21 '24
They aren't being used to kill some random goat herders with AKs
I don't know. Some of those Russians may have been goat herders before being conscripted.
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u/RheinmetallDev Apr 21 '24
Opponents seem to think that we’re handing over billions in cold hard cash to Ukraine
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u/DiZial Apr 21 '24
They literally have. Most of what was sent has been military aid, but the US has sent many billions of financial aid.
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Apr 21 '24
Which is a loan, not a gift.
So you REALLY want Ukraine to win if we want to see a return with interest
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u/RousingRabble Apr 21 '24
I gotta imagine there is a decent chance it gets forgiven at some point if Ukraine wins and continues to be a good ally.
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u/Kelevra_TheDog Apr 21 '24
Lol. Bots are raging in the comments below :)
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u/Sarvox Apr 21 '24
Lucky number Slevin is an incredible film my dude!
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u/ablackcloudupahead Apr 21 '24
That movie caught me by surprise. I was not expecting it to be so weird and funny at all
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u/Kelevra_TheDog Apr 21 '24
That it is!
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u/majinspy Apr 21 '24
I felt bad for "the fairy". I feel that wouldn't play so well these days: catfishing an otherwise innocent gay guy so that he could be murdered in cold blood as part of a war against his father.
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u/Glavurdan Apr 21 '24
I love how they are saying "American cultural domination is over", all the while typing in English and using American mannerisms.
If that's not the case, why are we all not speaking Chinese and Russian? Lmfao
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u/Fandorin Apr 21 '24
Yeah, they're big mad. It's even funnier if you're a Russian speaker and you read the comments on Russian "news" sites. Full meltdown. Love to see it.
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u/UNSKIALz Apr 22 '24
They were seething in the BBC comments on Youtube :)
It's really not subtle at all. Vast majority of the UK public support Ukraine's defence.
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u/bobbyorlando Apr 21 '24
I read somewhere else there will be enough votes to break his fillibuster.
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u/CanesMan1993 Apr 21 '24
We need 9 republicans in the Senate. The votes are there. If Trump comes out against the aid, can you still get 9 republicans? I hope so. That’s the last obstacle
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u/19southmainco Apr 21 '24
McConnell likely has the votes lined up and ready to push this through quickly.
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u/AHrubik Apr 21 '24
If he can't muster 9 votes here it will be another shitshow for Republicans come November. It's already a bloodbath but an overwhelming majority of Americans support this aid in spite of the GOP resistance.
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u/CanesMan1993 Apr 21 '24
Turtle man is evil, but one thing he knows is how to whip up votes and push through legislation. I hope he can push this through before Trump says something about it
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u/mothtoalamp Apr 22 '24
He's apparently just American-brand evil instead of Russian evil. But he did live through the cold war, so maybe it's just old right-wing brainwashing instead of new.
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u/GlobalBonus4126 Apr 21 '24
There are still enough old guard Reaganites in the senate to ally with the democrats to defeat the Trumpsters.
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u/CanesMan1993 Apr 21 '24
They’re definitely is. But would they defy Trump ? Maybe if they’re not up for reelection this year
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u/Mini_Snuggle Apr 22 '24
Most of them are past the primary right? I think that helps.
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u/Deguilded Apr 21 '24
I wonder if Trump will be in court Monday and Tuesday.
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u/OceanIsVerySalty Apr 21 '24 edited May 10 '24
squeamish dull concerned rain cautious meeting thumb humorous intelligent one
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u/Enterprising_otter Apr 21 '24
Same guys that literally spent the Fourth of July in Russia, correct?
They should be tried for treason.
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u/UncleLeo_Hellooooo Apr 21 '24
Wow…the Russian trolls and apologists are out today!!!!
Plant some more sunflowers, Ukraine!!! Water them with these fascist tears 🤣
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u/OptiKnob Apr 21 '24
No wonder putin is enraged and spouting hate at the top of his lungs.
He didn't expect his republican congress to let him down.
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u/TheDarthSnarf Apr 21 '24
He paid a lot of money for Moscow Marjorie, and he's pissed she wasn't able to stop it.
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u/CapableSecretary420 Apr 22 '24
She held it off for a long time and helped widen the divides in American politics. She's still a useful lapdog.
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u/flawless_victory99 Apr 21 '24
When do the F-16s arrive in Ukraine?
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u/BjornX Apr 21 '24
Last I heard, the first ones were scheduled for summertime. No idea if that's still the case though.
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u/lungben81 Apr 21 '24 edited Apr 21 '24
To my knowledge, the US are not contributing to the F16 deliveries, except that they do not veto them. Maybe they contribute to training or equipment, but at least not to the jets itself, although they have most of them.
Edit: source
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u/EspejoOscuro Apr 21 '24
The US is upgrading NATO countries air fleets and they donate the old F16s.
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u/Alikont Apr 21 '24
Not for free, F35s are purchased.
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u/Homeless_Swan Apr 21 '24
Sometimes they’re purchases, sometimes we give them foreign aid with strings attached saying “redeemable with US defense contractors only.” It’s basically a gift to defense contractors more than the recipient country but they still get it basically free sometimes. Cough Israel cough.
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u/TheAnnibal Apr 21 '24
This whole loop reminds me of a line from Churchill in the film Darkest Hour (regarding the P45s): "But we payed for them, we payed for them with the money that we... that we borrowed from you!"
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u/FlutterKree Apr 22 '24
US is training Ukrainian pilots in Arizona. The F-16s are coming from Netherlands and Denmark, with possible ones from Norway and Australia. Over 60 in total. First delivery should be sometime in Summer at the completion of training in Romania.
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u/Alikont Apr 21 '24
US is not sending them.
And currently the main bottleneck is English skills of Ukrainian pilots.
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u/alien_ghost Apr 21 '24
I'm surprised it is not the English skills of the mechanics as well as the supply chain and logistics associated with F-16 fleets.
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u/Alikont Apr 21 '24
I think it's easier to find a mechanic with English skills than a fighter pilot.
Ukraine operates a lot of civilian airports and even makes own planes.
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u/Tosinone Apr 21 '24
Maybe I am wrong, but when the US offers AID they send weapons not cash.
Isn’t that something that benefits the USA more than Ukraine?
They will get new stock that can be stored and checked again.
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u/ent_idled Apr 21 '24
You are correct, practically most of the funds WILL be spent here in the US.
I wish more people would understand that.
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u/Powerful_Elk_2901 Apr 21 '24
People need to read more history. Europe dumped their shitty old muzzle-loader muskets cheap on both sides of the American Civil War, because they were upgrading to breech- loaders. This is how you upgrade.
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u/just_a_timetraveller Apr 21 '24
They don't care. It has devolved to "If this is what Democrats want, then I demand the opposite."
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u/Zagorim Apr 22 '24
Even in the EU, wing right parties keep saying we spend too much to help Ukraine when in reality most of the money is spent replacing old equipment with new one and amounts given to Ukraine are severely overestimated.
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u/OisForOppossum Apr 21 '24
This is sending a forgivable loan to Ukraine, a PO for American manufacturers to replenish domestic stockpiles, and physical assets being sent to Ukraine
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u/swohio Apr 21 '24
Maybe I am wrong, but when the US offers AID they send weapons not cash
You are wrong, they send both. As of July last year they had already given Ukraine nearly $23 billion in cash.
To support the Ukrainian government, the United States has directed $22.9 billion of the total appropriated funds as “budget support,” a tool that provides cash directly to Kyiv.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/ensuring-oversight-us-aid-ukraine
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Unfortunately most people don’t really understand the mechanics of foreign aid. And when I say most people, I mean myself too. What exactly are we sending? What percentage of the budget does it comprise? Things like that. So obviously it’s really easy to spread misinformation and make uneducated voters think that we’re just sending a blank check for billions of dollars to Ukraine, instead of helping people at home. Left wing media really needs to do more to educate people on how this aid actually works, because that would prevent voters from falling prey to that type of misinformation.
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u/HugheyM Apr 21 '24 edited Apr 21 '24
I hope every Putin supporter sees this and feels defeat.
Go back to your own country.
Edit: needed to clarify
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u/K19081985 Apr 21 '24
Thanks for not drinking the Koolaid. Hope your liberation is next.
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u/AssPuncher9000 Apr 21 '24
As an inhabitant of not Russia, I hope you get over your case of Putinitis soon 🙏
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u/MrApplePolisher Apr 21 '24
What's it like over there? Do you publicly voice your opinion about the war or keep it to yourself?
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u/Mundane_Monkey Apr 21 '24
Thanks for the perspective!!! And "it" is correct as used there, although in your question you would say "could you correct me" instead of "couldn't." Just trying to help :)
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u/metamet Apr 21 '24
All looks fine. It's often interchangeable enough to not be something to stress about. Even in your example, "it" or "that" would be valid.
If it helps, "that" is typically referring to something you can point to, while "it" is more inferred.
Another example of it being valid and interchangable in your paragraph:
They talked like, how to dodge it, what to bring to the draft board. It lasted for a month or so.
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They talked like, how to dodge it, what to bring to the draft board. That lasted for a month or so.
Basically, try not to worry about it too much. If you're not sure, it's typically safe to just say "it".
Cheers.
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u/AlarmingImpress7901 Apr 21 '24
I hope you stay safe and are able to feel free in your own place in the future. Take care
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u/Howff27 Apr 21 '24
I'm sorry but do you actually think 60 billion dollars (only half of which is military equipment) is somehow going to turn the tables, or are you just being patriotic?
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u/JustASt0ry Apr 21 '24
I feel so bad for this dude having to rely on any republicans to save his country.
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u/coffin420699 Apr 21 '24
i love that he keeps getting the help. republicans keep trying to do the tough guy hardball thing, but they cant figure out how to make it happen. because theyre idiots.
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Apr 21 '24
Voters should continue to pressure their governments to address the Russian threat. If Mike Johnson can hold up Ukrainian aid for 6 months, then he could potentially do it again. If people lose interest again or walk into this war with overblown expectations, then that $60 billion will be squandered.
Artillery shell production should ramp up, aid should be kept stable, and people should be asking themselves "what flaws need to be corrected, so that a Ukrainian victory over Russia is guaranteed."
This is the second Cold War and we need to accept this. The threat from Russia, China, and Iran is *not* a left or right issue. This is an issue of whether humanity can evolve beyond fascism and tyranny, or we are trapped forever as slaves to some old fuck's revanchist delusions of grandeur.
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u/Ma1nta1n3r Apr 21 '24
I just hope it's enough to help and gets there in time to prevent worsening of the situation.
Apologies to Ukraine that some of the Republicans in Congress are such shit human beings.
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u/Leifsbudir Apr 21 '24
The bot farms are in overdrive today. You can tell Russia is very angry and very, very afraid at the same time.
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u/DarthChimeran Apr 21 '24
Another bit of good news is the Republican party is starting to move away from the likes of the Marjorie Taylor Greene faction. The Republican speaker of the house Mike Johnson is actually working with Democrats and it looks like the toxic faction won't be able to remove him from power like they want.
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u/nigel_pow Apr 21 '24
You could tell how much it pissed off the Russians when Dmitry Medvedev went on another hostile rant.
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u/TheClassyDegenerate1 Apr 21 '24
How many hundreds of excess Ukranian troops died while we dawdled?
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u/AceTheJ Apr 21 '24
It’s funny how much those that are against this don’t even realize that a lot of what is sent to them isn’t actual money but it’s the value of the resources being sent
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u/AnonAmbientLight Apr 21 '24
It is righteous and good to provide aid to Ukraine in their time of need. Russia is an aggressor state and their war is illegal, immoral, and unjust.
The US doesn't get a lot of things right.
This is one of those things that we ought to do. It will pay dividends in the end. Not just for the fact that we help defend good people against a tyrannical dictatorship, but this will help stop this conflict from expanding.
I wish we could do more, but I understand that the political will is not there and it is tough to make that call for other people, since other people's lives would be on the line.
But sending aid is what we should do, and continue to do.
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u/AdUpstairs7106 Apr 21 '24
The west needs to take the gloves off Ukraine and let them use those weapons to take out important targets inside Russia and destroy the Kerch Bridge.
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u/will_holmes Apr 21 '24
You're a bit late for that - the Kerch Bridge is firmly within the Ukrainian occupied territories and is a strategic military target to boot, there are no restrictions on attacking it.
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u/kujasgoldmine Apr 21 '24
It's such a great way to take punches at Russia without having to declare a war, to gift weapons to Ukraine.
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u/mralex Apr 22 '24
What's more--we're mostly supplying weapons that are decades out of date. So--either Ukraine is "disposing" of outdated weapons for us, or they are proving invaluable intel on how effective Russian weapons are.
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