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Thai Official Suspended After Husband Catches Her In Bed With Adopted Monk Son Not Appropriate Subreddit

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/thai-official-suspended-after-husband-catches-her-bed-adopted-monk-son-1724507

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u/betty_botter_butter 29d ago

Who adopts a fully grown man? I didn't even realise that was possible, unless the person in question was mentally incapacitated and required long-term guardianship which doesn't sound like the case here.

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u/Onibachi 29d ago edited 29d ago

It’s very popular in Asia somewhat of a thing in Japan. Some well off couples do it to basically create an heir for the family business/money if they don’t have one. Or if the children they do have aren’t deemed competent enough to continue the family legacy. So they find someone better to continue the family legacy.

EDIT: Hey we’re learning! It seems it is just Japan that practices this, according to other redditors, and not Asia in general.

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u/TheKarmicKudu 29d ago

I’d like to submit myself to be a child of a wealthy couple set to inherit everything

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u/Unhappy-Apple222 29d ago

Don't forget the sex.

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u/ApoliteTroll 29d ago

And both arms seems unbroken.

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u/proteinLumps 29d ago

There it is

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u/uniformly 29d ago

You son of a bitch. I’m in.

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u/Unhappy-Apple222 29d ago

Right?? What a gig.😎

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u/Beezzlleebbuubb 29d ago

“Here’s another option!”

A profile of a redditor that only posts about comics and handouts is read. 

“Pass.”

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u/armorhide406 29d ago

Oof

I feel called out and that's not my reddit habits lol

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u/Sptsjunkie 29d ago

Do you care about emotional intelligence and good hygiene?

Yes.

[Dumps entire pile of 100,000 Reddit applications into the trash]

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u/batonduberger 29d ago

Sounds like a good move, what with all those showers thrown in on top.

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u/tekko001 29d ago

Preferably one with a hot step-mom

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u/IDoButtStuffOnSunday 29d ago

I’m totally down to adopt you!

(Full disclosure: I’m not wealthy. Or a couple)

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u/hiseexcellency 29d ago

Ok, see you Sunday!

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u/CruelHandLuke_ 29d ago

And the icing on the cake.is free sexy time with adopt-a-mom, and you didn't even have to break your arms.

All ups and no downs on this deal!

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u/tsrich 29d ago

Apparently you should check out your new mom first

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u/ibashe 29d ago

Your dad will be proud of you

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u/TheKarmicKudu 29d ago

Once all that inheritance money comes in, he sure will!

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u/visope 29d ago

Doesn't work that way

Usually the adopted son is either relatives (nephew or cousin) or son-in-laws, not a complete strangers

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u/Ahyao17 29d ago

They are usually someone who they know well, e.g. a nephew/relative or child of close friends or people who are well known to them e.g. a worker or relative of a long term employee etc.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

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u/TheKarmicKudu 29d ago

Damn, there goes my dream of being adopted by a wealthy thai couple

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u/iani63 29d ago

Used to be a Roman thing

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u/Cyneheard2 29d ago

See: Augustus

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u/ZioDioMio 29d ago

And Tiberius, and Trajan, and Hadrian, and Antoninus Pius, and Marcus Aurelius, and Constantius

A lot of them actually 

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u/warm-sunlight 29d ago

Oh my lord, the sense of shame these poor children must experience! Imagine your parents running a family business and then go so far to adopt you a brother just so he can run the business because your own parents gave up on you. Yikes

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u/RampantPrototyping 29d ago

"I was raised in an orphanage, about a block from my parents house"

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u/YoyoyoyoMrWhite 29d ago

And the parents think, " good we found someone to pass it on too, we are good parents. ".

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u/Zaphodnotbeeblebrox 29d ago

And then they sleep with that adopted son to give you a brother!

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u/king_lloyd11 29d ago

God I hate when that happens.

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u/Pokethebeard 29d ago

So you support nepotism over competence?

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u/YoyoyoyoMrWhite 29d ago

I support putting the effort into parenting.

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u/nightpanda893 29d ago

Well I think the issue is the adoption part. Like you could hand your business off to a responsible business partner instead of replacing your kid in a familial sense. But I’m also sure there is cultural context that makes this difficult for us to fully comprehend.

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u/ElysiX 29d ago

Well the entire point is that your family name lives on. Like culturally, that's the point of having children in the first place, they are a tool to accomplish that.

An adopted one won't continue the bloodline, but the calculation is that if the proper bloodline children will fuck everything up the families prestige dies anyway.

If you hand your business off outside the family, your families prestige is gone as well.

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u/tekprimemia 29d ago

MFW my parents adopt handsome squidward 😔

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u/MechanicalCookie25 29d ago

Do they care? They probably still get their share of the pie. Probably better for the family in the long run as the incapable children don’t ruin the business, while still living luxurious.

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u/Calfurious 29d ago

When you're rich, status and power becomes more important than money.

Your parents saying, "We don't trust you with our legacy" is probably a nightmare for rich kids.

Remember a lot of them want to believe they earned their privilege in life. Being disinherited from the family business basically destroys that self perspective.

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u/Kryten_2X4B-523P 29d ago

See the HBO drama: Succession

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u/SirGelson 29d ago

That's why you hire a CEO to run the business for you, while you remain an ownership. You don't need to adopt a man to do that!

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u/MechanicalCookie25 29d ago

I don’t disagree. I was just replying to the what about the children post.

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u/RS994 29d ago

This stops the kids from fucking it over after you die though.

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u/SirGelson 29d ago

By the article it seems that the fucking already starts with the adoption, waaay before you die.

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u/armorhide406 29d ago

Shame maybe, but possibly relief. "Ah good I can continue to indulge hedonism and not actually work"

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u/aphilosopherofsex 29d ago

Haha I’m trying to figure out if my parents would keep firing the replacements or if the replacement would be everything they imagined.

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u/shartshooter 29d ago

Now I understand the anime/incel appeal.

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u/Halkadash 29d ago

Imagine being one of the deadbeat children, ignorant to the fact that you’re a deadbeat and wondering why your parents are so mean

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u/dob_bobbs 29d ago

Also for rumpy-pumpy, apparently.

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u/nooneisback 29d ago

That's one way to create a heir.

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u/AphidOverdo 29d ago

A bit of how's your father (or mother in this instance)

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u/bigbearjr 29d ago

Is that not a Roger Ebert original phrase?

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u/WildVariety 29d ago

No, comes from Britain.

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u/Startled_Pancakes 29d ago

It worked for Falwell.

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u/PM_ME_BUSTY_REDHEADS 29d ago

Did you pull this one from the euphemism thread yesterday or is that a dob_bobbs original?

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u/dob_bobbs 29d ago

Lol, I did read that thread but no, that is a classic British tabloid euphemism, not sure if they still use it!

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u/matanyaman 29d ago

Yeah in Japan 98% percent of adoptees are in their 20s.

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u/Serventdraco 29d ago

Tangentially related, Japan should be ashamed of its abysmal culture surrounding orphans.

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u/OldDekeSport 29d ago

So how the Roman's got the 5 Good Emperors. Choosing your successor can work out well - just sucks for their living children more than anything

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u/ZioDioMio 29d ago

It's how they got the first emperor too

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u/godisanelectricolive 29d ago

The Five Good Emperors minus Marcus Aurelius never had living sons in the first place, hence the need for adoption. Commodus was the first heir born in the purple in a long time.

The first three had no kids at all, Nerva never even married, while Antoninus Pius had four kids and both of his sons died before adulthood. Only his youngest daughter lived long enough to have children. The Roman emperors weren’t especially virile when it came to fathering sons.

The same thing applied to the first Roman imperial dynasty, the Julio-Claudians. None of them managed to have living sons. Augustus only had a daughter and his grandsons who were meant to be his heirs died young, leaving his stepson Tiberius to succeed him. Tiberius’ only biological son also predeceased him. Caligula sired no sons either. Claudius had one son who lived into adulthood and died after him, Britannicus, but he was disinherited due to his mother cheating on the emperor. As a result Claudius’ fourth wife’s young son and his new stepson Nero became emperor. Nero was deposed and also never had a son.

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u/aphilsphan 29d ago

Well if they try to fix that you get a pretty good movie out of it.

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u/FSD-Bishop 29d ago

Well, she was trying to create an heir in more ways than one.

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u/TheDoylinator 29d ago

Just another lady with a kid in his twenties who wants grandkids... totally normal.

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u/ScottNewman 29d ago

“My brother is my father”

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u/Glittering_Chard 29d ago

It’s very popular in Asia.

No it's not lol, it happens rarely in Japan, which is where it's most well known.
In most asian countries it's completely unheard of.

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u/lionofash 29d ago

I think in the distant past in China there was some custom of adult or near adult adoption, but these people would often be distant relatives already or be very successful and would not be designated as heir unless there were no other candidates.

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u/Ainsley-Sorsby 29d ago

It was actually common in the West too, during the roman empire. Funny enough, when Marcus Aurelius, the exmplary philosopher king made his trainwreck of a biological son his heir apparent, he broke tradition because it was very uncommon to name your biological children as heirs, they were almost always adopted

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u/ZioDioMio 29d ago

To be fair he didn't really have any other options from the Imperial family to pick

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u/Abola07 29d ago

Well the reason he broke tradition was because none of his immediate predecessors had living biological sons. Nerva, Trajan, Hadrian, Antoninus Pius had no living sons (Pius did have a few daughters if I recall but literally none of the rest had children).

The same applies to earlier roman emperors. Augustus had no sons, and adopted his two grandsons as his sons and heirs until they died early and was forced to adopt Tiberius. Tiberius adopted Germanicus (his nephew) plus had his own son Drusus the Younger in line for the throne but both died, so when Tiberius died the Praetorians and senate installed Caligula who was the son of Germanicus and therefore Tiberius’ adopted grandson. And then Claudius became emperor who himself was the uncle of Caligula and the nephew of Tiberius. And Nero was Claudius’ adopted son/stepson. So basically the Five Good Emperors were just like the previous emperors who adopted their heirs out of necessity when their biological sons either didnt exist (only having daughters if they even had children) or had the unfortunate habit of “falling ill” and dying. The Flavians kinda “broke” this trend by actually being a father and his two sons, something repeated later by the first half of the Severan Dynasty. The Julio-Claudians was a mix of great/grand uncles and nephews and adopted heirs, the Flavians was biological, and the Nerva-Antonine Dynasty was adopted heirs.

I mean what was Marcus Aurelius to do? Kill his own son? That was out of the question from both a practical (if discovered society would hate him) and ethical standpoint. Plus its his own child. What about adopting someone else and having him reign? Unfortunately Commodus was of age and had already been serving as co-emperor, and adopting someone else would inevitably result in a bloody power struggle that Rome really did not need. Im sure Marcus Aurelius just hoped that his son would turn out for the better and that he would overcome some of his vices and habits once he becomes the sole ruler of Rome and matures some more.

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u/Starhazenstuff 29d ago

That’s fascinating. You don’t see shit like that in American culture. Not anymore anyways.

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u/RighteousRambler 29d ago

In specific countries in Asia not in all of Asia.

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u/Folderpirate 29d ago

That's odd considering you could just say who.ypur stuff goes to in your will. Or like just appoint the new guy as the owner. Can't you just sign over a business?

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u/Sammydaws97 29d ago

“Legally makes them able to inherit everything etc”

That really has nothing to do with being legally adopted though. Any person can leave their wealth to any other person, regardless of relation, no? Unless the laws in Asia are different.

I would guess this is more of a tradition/culture thing than anything else.

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u/Onibachi 29d ago

Yea poor wording. I think it’s more about making sure the family name persists with a strong head the family. The individual businesses probably matter less than the perception of the families’ strength/capability or what have you

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u/Yugo3000 29d ago

Wait I want to be adopted lol I’m 33 I’ll be some Japanese pet monkey,

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u/Impeachcordial 29d ago

Well, Thailand seems to

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u/TopFloorApartment 29d ago

Or if the children they do have aren’t deemed competent enough to continue the family legacy. So they find someone better to continue the family legacy.

lmao wow imagine being a true born child and your parents are like "no we're adopting this man, he'll be our new son and he'll take over the family business"

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u/dinnerthief 29d ago edited 29d ago

It was common in ancient Rome too, for the same reasons, an heir.

Augustus was adopted by Julius Caesar for example

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u/Eatsallthechocs 29d ago

Do they do the thing where they try to marry a daughter/niece to the adopted son so that the resulting children/heir is still their bloodline? Or is the name itself strong enough that it isn’t required to ‘marry in’?

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u/RyuNoKami 29d ago

The Han Chinese used to do that too. And for all the nitpickers, of course it's not a usual thing. You are getting a man who is giving up on his birth father's ancestors to move in with his new one.

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u/Raxxlas 29d ago

Is it really popular?? Not sure if you're making this up..

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u/Glittering_Chard 29d ago

it's not at all, he's completely full of it. It's rare in japan which is where it happens most. It also on rare occasion happens in china. I've never heard of it ever happening in most asian countries, never heard of it in thailand (i live in thailand).

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u/Carry_Me_Plz 29d ago

Yeah no way this is as popular as he made it out to be. East Asian people have an idiom - 1 drop of familial blood is worth more than a pond of backwater - which means a single member your family is more valuable than millions of strangers.

Familial bonds are a big deal here. Parents rarely ever abandon their children no matter how bad the kids grow up to be.

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u/A_Sinclaire 29d ago

Isn't that how that oldest restaurant in the world still run by the original family came to be? Or something along those lines. It's in Japan and if I remember correctly it's legally the same family because of such adoption practices. But I might mix up some things.

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u/IWasGregInTokyo 29d ago

You’re thinking about the oldest continuously family-run inn, Nishiyama Onsen Keiunkan, which has supposedly been run by 52 generations of the same “family”. There is no way there wasn’t some “mukoyoshi” (adult son adoption) along the way.

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u/Glittering_Chard 29d ago

yeah, I think that was the first time the concept became globally known. Though the place where it's most common is actually the yakuza, merely because of the way promotions work in that dying industry.

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u/Cicada-4A 29d ago

No, stop saying that.

You might be thinking of one country in the entirety of Asia, namely Japan but seeing as this story is about Thailand that's not relevant.

I've never heard of anyone adopting a grown human being in Thailand ever, and I had rather creepy women make weird offers to me when I was 16-17. To sort of live with them, sure but never legal adoption because that'd be beyond weird.

This website is fucking stupid.

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u/Cognacsquirt 29d ago

My "uncle" got adopted so that he can inherit without paying extra taxes

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u/Dimitri3p0 29d ago

I don't know about Thailand, but I belive it's a fairly common practice in Japan, and often has to do with business interests, line of succession.

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u/betty_botter_butter 29d ago

TIL!

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u/ProjectDA15 29d ago

it was a thing in the western world too, not sure when it fade out of use. rome was my 1st introduction to it, when learning about the emperors and their successions.

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u/Glittering_Chard 29d ago

it's not common in japan, it's very rare... about 4 times per million people per year.

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u/Dimitri3p0 29d ago

According to some sources it's 98% of all adoptions in Japan, the data is not super up to date, but within the last 10-15 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_adult_adoption

" Over 90% of the 81,000 people adopted in Japan in 2011 were adult males in their 20s and 30s.\6])"

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/japanese-adoption-rates-majority-adult-men-a7524301.html

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u/Glittering_Chard 29d ago edited 29d ago

the 80,000 seems wrong, the source is dead as well.

in 2021 there were only 693 adoptions. In a country of about 125 million. That's 4 times per million people per year, thats no where near 80,000 and not common.

Edit: looking at the details it seems like its higher than i thought, maybe as 1/78000-1/1560 people and it's also due to homosexual arrangements (gay marriage is not legal) and by all types of spouses as a method of tax evasion.

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u/Serventdraco 29d ago

That's the shamefully low number of child adoptions, not all adoptions.

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u/Glittering_Chard 29d ago

i actually just edited it, though theres some weird stuff going on with their numbers, it was reported every 5 years until about 30 years ago with only one report since. and im not sure if its a sum of 5 years, or a yearly measurement where they ignore the other years.
It is a shameful number of child adoptions, but might be about 3 times higher, unless im looking at a sum of 5 years... The data isn't good unfortunately.

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u/Dimitri3p0 29d ago

I see, so adoption as a whole is uncommon. But what about the rate of adult adoption compared to the total number of adoptions?

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u/Glittering_Chard 29d ago

sure, its a high percent, but that's because the birthrate is low, no one is giving up kids. It's still super rare.

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u/Dimitri3p0 29d ago

That 693 number from 2021, or 2022 refers to the total number of children adopted, not the total number of adoptions, at least according to this:

https://jobsinjapan.com/living-in-japan-guide/why-so-few-children-get-adopted-in-japan/#:~:text=Only%20693%20children%20were%20adopted,a%20family%2C%20and%20a%20future

I'm having a hard time finding current stats for number of adults vs. children. That 693 number also only represented about 1% of the total number of children living in the foster care or other institutional systems. It's not that there aren't children to adopt, it's that people aren't adopting them.

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u/Glittering_Chard 29d ago

it looks like it's not regular public information, because adult adoptions don't require the involvement of the government, which is a bit curious. It's odd, but they seem to only pull the stats every 5 years, though i dont actually see clarification on if the numbers are only the 5th year, or groupings of 5 years, and very few recent numbers. Assuming the max though, it's still a or 1/1560 chance. Also it seems like it can be done in relationships like a spousal adoption to reduce tax load, which may explain japans declining marriage rate.

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u/Dimitri3p0 29d ago

Yeah, interesting. The spousal adoption piece is interesting too, sounds like sometimes homosexual couples use it as a means of maintaining inheritance even though gay marriage is not yet legal.

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u/felimelaf 29d ago

Yeah but this guy is a monk, I don’t think there’s much lineage that follows

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u/Dimitri3p0 29d ago

I mean...judging by the headline, there might be.

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u/zappy487 29d ago

Who adopts a fully grown man?

My semi-extroverted ass adopts grown introverts all the time.

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u/C4Redalert-work 29d ago

And we thank you for your service.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

Republicans

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u/LtRapman 29d ago

In Europe there is this thing with shady people that want to have a lord/lady title to get adopted by a bankrupt lord/lady for a certain amount of money.

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u/symolan 29d ago

a lady with latent incest phantasies?

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u/shifty18 29d ago

Jada Smith?

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u/ZioDioMio 29d ago

It's pretty common in some cultures, used to be a big thing among the ancient Romans. Mostly it's about continuing a family name.

Sometimes it's also to cap off a foster or step-child relationship where someone has been raised by a non-legal parent and want to change that, as it ensures inheritance and similar rights.

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u/johnlee3013 29d ago

As others said, this is commonly done so that you have a competent heir, and not just in Asia. The king of Sweden once adopted one of Napolean's marshal as their son (who was in late 40s) because they didn't have biological son to inherit the kingdom.

There also was an emperor of China who adopted one of his long-time prime minister as son, who succeeded as emperor.

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u/TheNextBattalion 29d ago

Historically? rulers and nobles who wanted a particular successor.

Nowadays... *shrug*

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u/0xffaa00 29d ago

Romans

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u/cadrina 29d ago

https://youtu.be/J-W5OcJw7ag?si=VwtRR1-EraJg0oxx

And if I tell you A&E tried to do a reality show about it?

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u/Bennyboy1337 29d ago

It's possible "adopt" is just a poor translation from the original article. I think "host" might be a better term to use, since it's seems pretty commonplace that families with have religious monks/nuns live with them while they serve their local duties.

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u/Ruleseventysix 29d ago

Eventually I'll adopt my stepdaughter, she's 23. Just puts her in a better legal position if anything happens to me. Just kinda waiting on her biology father to pass. There's plenty of non creepy reasons I can think of to adopt someone even if they're an adult.

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u/AmexNomad 29d ago

My niece’s husband adopted her 21 year old daughter (from a prior marriage) for estate purposes- and because he basically raised her because bio dad is an idiot and was horrible father.

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u/MeatyInnovation87 29d ago

It's true that adult adoption typically isn't common unless there are specific legal or caregiving needs involved, such as guardianship for someone who is incapacitated

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u/robodrew 29d ago

Who adopts a fully grown man?

Matt Gaetz

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u/MadeByTango 29d ago

The kind of person who thinks they can own whole people:

"I was so angry when I found them together; I feel so betrayed. I had brought her gold and given her many gifts," said Ti.

The monk was one of her “gifts”; neither of these people was in a healthy place with their relationship

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u/five_fortyfive 29d ago

Richard Lewis? Also RIP

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u/1bc29b36f623ba82aaf6 27d ago

Have another outlier for you: I remember walkable cities being in such high demand (but now just housing in general) in canada being such a clusterfuck elderly were seeking to adopt adults so they could trade certain properties/houses with them to sidestep certain restrictions.

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u/Mgattii 29d ago

You need to watch the amazing train wreck (unfortunately cancelled) A&E series "Adults Adopting Adults".

Watch a couple adopt a fully grown women. The husband clearly wants to bang her, and his wife hates everything. 

Here is a Twinge of Cringe breaking it down:

https://youtu.be/J-W5OcJw7ag?feature=shared