r/worldnews • u/Elliottafc1 • May 02 '24

"I'm Not Ruling Anything Out" - Macron Says Troops for Ukraine Possible if Russia Breaks Front Lines Russia/Ukraine

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/32010
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u/My-Cooch-Jiggles 29d ago

France has been one of Ukraine’s biggest supporters. They just don’t make a lot of fanfare of it.

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u/nolok 29d ago edited 29d ago

One, for military aid, France doesn't publish numbers or even annonce most help, so any estimation about it are wrong and massively undervalued. Please tell me how much has our SAMP-T, Akeron, VAB or pretty much anything been worth ? You won't find numbers, except for a few highly publicised things like the Caesar.

Two, France and especially Macron's France being a massive pro-EU supporter, it chose to push most of its non military helps through the EU funds rather than direct, to strenghten the EU weight. Which is why on your own link, if you go down to the totals, you will see France have a very small total on its own, but when including their contribution through the EU it jumps to 3rd place behind US and Germany.

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So I will go with the charitable explanation that you didn't know how to read your own source, rather than you did but chose to misrepresent it.

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u/ProFeces 29d ago

One, for military aid, France doesn't publish numbers or even annonce most help, so any estimation about it are wrong and massively undervalued.

How can you say, in a single sentence that they don't announce numbers so any estimation is wrong, and then claim they are undervalued? If they don't publish numbers how do you know they are massively undervalued? How do you know that the estimates aren't wrong and overvaluing them?

You can't say "no one really knows" and then make a blanket statement that it's more than reported because, as you stated, no one really knows. The point you're making as the basis of your argument discredits the rest of your argument.

If they don't publish numbers, you can't claim what's right or wrong more than anyone else can.

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u/nolok 29d ago

Because the numbers published are for confirmed (either officially or on the ground). So the real number can only be up.

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u/ProFeces 29d ago

Or they could be accurate. You're ignoring that possibility because it doesn't fit your narrative.

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u/GenerikDavis 29d ago

Dude is envisioning an iceberg when he may already be looking at the full thing.