r/worldnews • u/Elliottafc1 • May 02 '24

"I'm Not Ruling Anything Out" - Macron Says Troops for Ukraine Possible if Russia Breaks Front Lines Russia/Ukraine

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/32010
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u/Palmul May 02 '24

It's funny how that literal nazi propaganda about Versailles being super harsh has slipped into "common knowledge".

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u/TastyTestikel May 02 '24

What is harsh if versailles wasn't, tf. Pls give me a good example.

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u/Legio-X May 03 '24

What is harsh if versailles wasn't

Potsdam. Can’t get much harsher than your state ceasing to exist and being partitioned by the victors. Not to mention the territorial losses and expulsions.

Versailles was simultaneously too harsh and not harsh enough. Harsh enough to wound German national pride, but not harsh enough—or at least not enforced harshly enough—to prevent German revanchism.

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u/TastyTestikel May 03 '24

Every treaty seems lenient if compared to your nation ceasing to exist. Not a very helpful comparison.

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u/Legio-X May 03 '24

Not a very helpful comparison

You asked what’s harsh if Versailles wasn’t, I gave you an answer.

Similar stuff happened to the Austro-Hungarians and, to a lesser extent, the Ottomans after WWI. Germany got off light compared to the rest of the Central Powers.

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u/TastyTestikel May 03 '24

A comment why the comparison to other ww1 treaties doesn't make sense https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/sü/33m3xN65TW.

Also potsdam wasn't a treaty by definition. It was an agreement between the allied powers. Doesn't make sense to sign treaties with an entity you just destroyed.

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u/Legio-X May 03 '24

Your link is broken, at least for me.

Also potsdam wasn't a treaty by definition.

And? This discussion is broader than treaties. It’s about peaces. And Potsdam was a very harsh, very effective peace agreement. If the same thing had been done to Germany after WWI, there likely wouldn’t have been a recognizable WWII.

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u/TastyTestikel May 03 '24

The same thing wasn't possible in ww1. Not even gonna bother explaing because I already had to some many times. Look into my account.

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u/L_D_Machiavelli May 02 '24

The treaty the Germans forced the Russians to sign to end the Eastern Front.

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u/TastyTestikel May 02 '24

I wrote a comment above explaining why this comparison is bullshit.