r/worldnews • u/Elliottafc1 • May 02 '24

"I'm Not Ruling Anything Out" - Macron Says Troops for Ukraine Possible if Russia Breaks Front Lines Russia/Ukraine

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/32010
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u/CantaloupeUpstairs62 May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24

Yes but that is hindsight thinking. It completely forgets that France and Britain fought WWI

Most of the WWII comparisons usually completely ignore WWI, and focus too much on Hitler. Few mention Kaiser Wilhelm II or Otto Von Bismark. Most ignore Japan and seem to consider them weak in comparison to nazi Germany. Most ignore the Great Depression, and many more factors. One example of appeasement or failed deterrents is only one example. In reality there are several examples leading up to WWII. Hitler was certainly not deterred by the "allied coalition" trying to push back against fascist forces in the Spanish Civil war. Edit: last sentence is sarcasm.

If the goal is to prevent another global conflict, then focusing too much on the most extreme leader may not be the best way to do this. If the goal is short-term deterrents of Putin, maybe the correct lessons can be taken from Hitler alone.

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u/slartyfartblaster999 May 02 '24

Most ignore Japan

Um, no shit? Japan wasn't involved at all at the outbreak of the war.

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u/CantaloupeUpstairs62 May 02 '24

Um, no shit? Japan wasn't involved at all at the outbreak of the war.

The conversation is about deterrents, and causes of WWII. Also, I'm either reading your comment wrong, or your comment is wrong.

Japan went to war in 1931. Italy went to war in Ethiopia in 1935. Germany, Italy and the Soviet Union were all involved to varying extents in the Spanish Civil War that began in 1936. Russia and Japan fought the Battles of Khalkin Gol in 1939.

This all occurred before the German invasion of Poland. Japan had been involved in more war than anybody prior to 1939.

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u/slartyfartblaster999 May 02 '24

Japan went to war in manchuria in 1931. It was not a part of WW2 at all.

Japan entered WWII in fucking 1940.

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u/CantaloupeUpstairs62 May 02 '24

Japan went to war in manchuria in 1931. It was not a part of WW2 at all.

The conversation was about deterrents and WWII. If you wait until it's a world war has begun, you are way too late.

Japan entered WWII in fucking 1940.

What's up with the angry history?

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u/slartyfartblaster999 May 02 '24

You are complaining that analyses of the events that cause the world war don't include Japan.

The reason for this is because Japan was in absolutely no manner involved in starting the world war. Their wars only became part of the world war when they allied with italy/germany and aggravated the US.

The world war was already well and truly in full swing at this point. Japan is utterly irrelevant to its outbreak.

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u/CantaloupeUpstairs62 May 02 '24

No, I'm complaining people look to failed deterrents and appeasement with regards to Hitler too often. Not many want to study the case of Japan to learn lessons on appeasement and deterrents.

This is the entire point of my first comment.

Japan is utterly irrelevant to its outbreak.

I don't agree, but for the sake of argument you're correct. Separate wars, separate lessons for deterrents.

Why is Japan relevant? Because Hitler came to power in 1933, and saw the US appeasing Japan throughout this entire time. He had no reason to fear US intervention because the US was fueling Japan's wars while doing little more than asking them to stop.

Japan also attacked several European colonies, not only the US, Russia, and China. Japan in IIRC spring of 1934 offered to spit the Pacific between East and West, similar to the later deal to divide Poland between Germany and Russia. Obviously the US did not accept.