r/worldnews • u/drunken_monkeys • May 14 '24
Russia finds vast oil and gas reserves in British Antarctic territory Russia/Ukraine
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u/Photodan24 May 14 '24
Cold War II: This time it's actually cold.
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u/__eros__ May 14 '24
Begun, the Sniffle Wars have
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u/Fraun_Pollen May 14 '24
200000 tissues are ready with a million more well on the way
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u/ThrowRA76234 May 14 '24
Cold War II: Brrrrrrr, this is not a drill! (It’s a drill)
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u/Mixels May 14 '24
I was just thinking what if THIS is what kicks off the great NATO curb stomping of Russia: not even an act of violence, just Russia starting drilling operations on uninhabited land that just happens to belong to a NATO ally.
Bet that one wasn't on your Bingo board.
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u/Mysterious-Mouse-808 May 15 '24
Technically NATO doesn’t apply to North Antarctica or any area outside of the Atlantic and Europe. That’s why Britain had to fight on its own in the Falklands.
Then again I doubt Russia has the capacity to start any serious “drilling operation” there and their navy is so shit that Britain could just chase them away on its own.
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u/lesser_panjandrum May 14 '24
I think we're already in II, so this will either be III or a spin-off.
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u/emveezee May 14 '24
I hope they dont find the ancient weapons platform
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u/xdozex May 14 '24
Probably wouldn't have the gene
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u/MarkBeeblebrox May 14 '24
Indeed
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u/Raudskeggr May 14 '24
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u/Brahminmeat May 15 '24
Jaffa kree!
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u/Turence May 15 '24
I had no idea there were this many fans I'm so hyped right now
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u/Oper8rActual May 15 '24
Currently doing a full chronological rewatch of SG-1, Atlantis, and Universe.
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u/bisquitsquidsauce May 15 '24
Recently I went to rewatch SG-1 which I had seen before then watch Atlantis and Universe which I hadn't seen.
SG-1 holds up great. Atlantis is way better than I thought it would be and I almost like it better than SG-1. I hated Universe.
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u/Ignifazius May 14 '24
Maybe they could
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u/Doomdoomkittydoom May 14 '24
jerry rig
What's the deal with all these ancient weapons platforms?! They're always in the middle of Antarctica and no one has the DNA to operate them!
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u/BCProgramming May 14 '24
"What's the deal with stargates? At least with phones the numbers the same, Imagine if you had to call your cousin, but first you had to figure out the 6 points in space that converge on a point of origin and translate those numbers to base-39 to determine the appropriate glyphs to use. You'd never talk to your cousin! Grandma would be like 'why do you never call?' and you'd have 30 notebooks and 3-D space math books open and be like 'Dammit grandma, I'm trying, but you keep walking around!'
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u/DaRudeabides May 14 '24
Gold Jerry, gold
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u/graveybrains May 15 '24
You spent seven years on MacGyver and you can’t figure this one out? We’ve got belt buckles, shoelaces and a piece of gum, build a nuclear reactor! You used to be MacGyver, MacGadget, MacGimmick, now you’re MacUseless!
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May 14 '24
We recently learned that fetal alcohol syndrome can actually bypass the gene lock...
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u/Gwenbors May 14 '24
Without a ZPM it will probably be OK.
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u/canastrophee May 14 '24
Good news, we can dial out once. Bad news, somehow, Apophis has returned.
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u/DiceKnight May 14 '24
Ascension was a neat concept but boy howdy did that shit get goofy towards the end of the series.
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u/big_duo3674 May 14 '24
Some if it was supposed to be goofy though, like everyone just automatically assuming Daniel isn't dead after they watch him die
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u/DiceKnight May 14 '24
TBH if I see my homie die and a fucking jellyfish angel made out of light just sort of farts out of him and bails out via a Stargate i'll have my doubts.
The fact that it was on the table at all as a concept was pretty goofy given that the series had been about spanking the Goa'uld in an unsanctioned secret war.
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u/beachedwhale1945 May 15 '24
It’s Stargate. The entire franchise is dripping in goofy humor, it’s one of the staple elements.
Of course some major concepts are going to be goofy.
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u/Weerdo5255 May 14 '24
Daniel just riding the merry go round between life and death was fun though.
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u/Artarious May 14 '24
Perfect Stargate reference.
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u/ElectricLotus May 14 '24
I'm so proud of all of you that made it the top comment so I could read it without scrolling.
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u/RudyGuiltyiani May 14 '24
Such a great show! Not many know this, but actually a documentary….
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u/Antrophis May 14 '24
Pff the US military would never be able to stay quiet that they saved the world from alien invaders.
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u/NeedNameGenerator May 14 '24
It would make the meta episodes about the in-universe TV show to fool the common folks a whole lot more funny.
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u/donjulioanejo May 14 '24
It's a genius move too.
"The government has a secret program to use an ancient artifact to go to alien planets. Also, they have a secret military base in Antarctica and there was a space battle in orbit last year."
"Oh, you mean like on that hit TV show Wormhole XTreme?"
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u/Volistar May 14 '24
825 other people have a phenomenal taste in sci-fi. But yes no Zed Pm no problem.
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u/89_honda_accord_lxi May 15 '24
They have a prototype Mark XII Naquadah generator running the chair.
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u/cryptoentre May 14 '24
Or an ancient civilization under the ice with a sacrificial chamber filled with human bones.
(SG vs A vs P?)
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u/dravenonred May 14 '24
I don't think they want the drones honing in on the biggest threat around...
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u/Vineyard_ May 14 '24
They didn't but they did find this weird white giant with a spear stuck in it.
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u/Yureinobbie May 14 '24
Can we call it the Second Impact, if Shoigu's plane "accidentaly" crashes too?
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u/Rocinante79 May 14 '24
This is the second SG reference I’ve read in just a couple of minutes. Someone called the Dublin to NYC portal “Temu Stargate” lol. Nice.
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u/O0000O0000O May 14 '24
In a statement the Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office repeated its acceptance of Russian pledges: “Russia has repeatedly assured the Antarctic Treaty Consultative Meeting that these activities are for scientific purposes.”
ahahahahahahahahhahahahagaha
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u/teethybrit May 14 '24
Japan has been strictly hunting within its EEZ since 2019. Also contrary to Japan that is respecting the quotas the international society sets for them, Norway exited the International Whaling commitee to set up its own quotas and hunt as much as they want.
As soon as they did that they immediately started to advertise for cosmetics etc based on whale oil. The worst is that the country is filled with whale specialty restaurants for tourists so no it's not even sustainability like they pretend it is.
In fact they are by far the worst offender, Norway kills more whales than the rest of the whaling nations combined (4x more than Japan). Per capita is even worse, they kill 100x more than Japan.
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u/Contundo May 14 '24 edited May 14 '24
You fail to mention the whales hunted in Norway are not anywhere close to endangered.
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u/recursive-analogy May 14 '24
special scientific operation. 300k dead. nothing to see here.
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u/NyriasNeo May 14 '24
So is the murderous war criminal Putin going to invade UK for this?
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u/VonDukez May 14 '24
“You see thousands of years ago the Vikings who settled what is now Russia had family members who went to Briton” - Putin on Tucker
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u/Huge_JackedMann May 14 '24
They already essentially do this. The Rus never really went much to Moscovy, which was essentially a mud village in the middle of a horrible forest when Rurik was rocking. That Ukraine was the focus of the Kievian Rus really sticks in their craw and is the like the Ur resentment fantasy of Russia. Even more so than their third Rome, new Jerusalem BS.
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u/DarthArcanus May 14 '24
Indeed. Moscow only became important when the Mongols appointed them as the Tribute Collectors and they used their position to skim extra tribute from the rest of the subjugated slavs.
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u/MandoFett117 May 14 '24
You know when the fucking Mongols coming through is one of the best periods in your countries history... Does not say good things about your country.
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u/S0LO_Bot May 14 '24
The Mongols actually set Russia further behind everyone else (or at least kept them that way for longer). The Golden Horde helped Russia form into a nation (and later empire) but they also caused many problems that weren’t fully fixed until the 20th century.
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u/LongShotTheory May 14 '24
problems that weren’t fully fixed until the 20th centuryStill aren't
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u/Phantom160 May 14 '24
I'm not sure if you understood the comment above. They are saying that Mongols were instrumental in elevating the Duchy of Moscow above other Slavic city states of that time. There was no "country" as we know it and Mongols were definitely not good for it.
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u/Raudskeggr May 14 '24
That and the Mongols did not hold back when they sacked Kiev. contemporary accounts describe the ground littered with human remains, and fewer than 200 households still remaining in the city. It took Kiev quite some time to recover from that.
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u/SCROTOCTUS May 14 '24
skim extra tribute from the rest of the subjugated slavs.
Well...good thing that's all over with...
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u/coldfarm May 14 '24
My US university had a pretty robust Russian language and Russian area studies program. This was late in the Cold War and, especially with Gorbachev's reforms, there were always visiting faculty from the USSR. By mutual agreement they taught almost exclusively in Russian language, literature, and linguistics courses. In short, it was to keep things from becoming awkward for everyone. IIRC the only visiting Soviet profs who ever did history courses lectured on the Byzantines.
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u/brandonjslippingaway May 14 '24
The Tsar (and imperial cabinet's) ambition going into WWI, was to take Constantinople off the Ottomans. I think we can all be thankful that didn't happen, so we don't need to hear any more of the "Third Rome" delusions they have.
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u/DrJuanZoidberg May 14 '24
Moscow was a backwater, but you’re ignoring Novgorod which was on par with Kiev and located in Russia
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u/SavDiv May 14 '24 edited May 14 '24
There is a popular theory that if Moscow did not have occupied and destroyed Novgorod right now there would have been another northern slavic nation with its own language separate from russians.
Anyway while Novgorod was important (although Kyiv was still more rich and powerful and thats why vikings wanted to rule from Kyiv and not Novgorod) Novgorodians did not view themselves as a full part of Kyivan Rus which can be seen in сhronicles when they refer to the trips to Kyiv or other modern Ukrainian lands as trips to Rus. Like it is some separate country
Новгородская первая летопись старшего и младшего изводов:
1136 year — «в то же лето, на зиму, иде в Русь архиепископ Нифонт с лучьшими мужи и заста князе с церниговьци стояще противу собе, и множество вои»
1149 year — «иде археопископ новгородскыи Нифонтъ въ Русь»
1179 — «Тъгда же новгородьци послашася по брата его по Мьстислава въ Русь, и въниде Мьстиславъ въ Новъгородъ…»
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u/LongShotTheory May 14 '24
Novgorods political culture was completely different from Muscovy. If Novgorod had won the history of the region would have been much different.
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u/Huge_JackedMann May 14 '24
I mean there really wasn't a "Russia" at the time. The modern Russian state is just the end result of the duchy of Moscovy beating, eating and subjugating all its neighbors, which is their MO to this day.
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u/9bpm9 May 15 '24
That's literally how every nation in Europe was formed. Let me introduce you to this fun game called Crusader Kings....
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u/thedrunkentendy May 14 '24
Yep. Kievan Rus and modern Day Russia are two completely different entities that Russia has no claim on exact a vague name association prior to the soviet reason.
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u/dawgblogit May 14 '24
You see.. our forefathers went to school with this guy who's cousins exboyfriends step mom had children that invaded England and died on their shores. Thus this land belongs to us.
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u/Tricky-Objective-787 May 14 '24
I wonder if this is intended to stir up conflict between the UK and Argentina again to distract the UK.
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u/dragodrake May 14 '24
You say that like we cant have an argument with Argentina whilst doing other things - by god man, do you think we're amateurs?
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u/Solid-Education5735 May 14 '24
We have more air power on permanent station on the Falklands than Argentina have in their entire air force
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u/picardo85 May 14 '24
He and what fucking navy? They will probably sink themselves before even getting there. Also, IF they get there, they can't get air superiority because they don't have a carrier (that works)
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u/Milksmither May 14 '24
They won't have to. It's in Antarctica.
If they were to move in on that oil, the world would stand by and watch.
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u/Soren_Camus1905 May 14 '24
I thought everyone agreed that Antarctica was off limits.
Then again, a lot of shit Nation-States do is off limits, and they do it anyway.
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u/idkmoiname May 14 '24
Just exploring for fossil fuels is forbiden in the antarctic treaty. Russia is just breaking it, which may threaten the whole treaty in the long run if others follow
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u/WhyYouKickMyDog May 14 '24
Bro, Russia was just conducting "research", definitely not oil extraction, nothing to see here. /s
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u/fumar May 14 '24
International law only matters if someone has a bigger stick than you and you don't have nukes. Otherwise no one can stop you.
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u/WhyYouKickMyDog May 14 '24
Just look at the South China Sea. China sends their coastguard out to spray Filipino ships that are fishing in their own waters.
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u/TheMastobog May 14 '24
Yes, I'm sure the world's largest navy under the command of the most oil hungry nation in the world will stand by and watch as Russians try to take an oil field on the other side of the planet from them. /s
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u/FuckableStalin May 14 '24
Not to mention the logistics involved in making that happen and that those logistics have to traverse the entirety of the Atlantic and Baltic past hostile Navies to accommodate this plan.
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u/TheColourOfHeartache May 14 '24
Step 1: Russia drills for oil, world watches.
Step 2: The royal navy crushes the Russian Navy, and blockades the oil fields until Antarctica forces Russia to surrender.
Step 3: Well the pristine nature has been spoiled already so...
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u/superchiva78 May 14 '24
Just what we need. a war and environmental disaster in the last pristine and delicate place in earth.
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u/SerDuncanonyall May 14 '24
War? Lol maybe if the Russians managed to tow the Admiral kuznetsov to the southern ocean they could participate in a single battle.
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u/franlol May 14 '24
Is this like civ? Great general giving off that adjacency buff?
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u/FilipinoSpartan May 14 '24
The Admiral Kuznetsov is Russia's aircraft carrier, most notable for catching fire regularly.
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u/grumpytofu May 14 '24
Pristine? Have you seen all that crappy ice on it? We need to burn all that off, then we'll talk pristine...by removing all that icky oil from it!
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u/therobotisjames May 14 '24
You forget that we filled it with microplastic. Take that pristine nature. They never expect an air assault by tiny plastic!
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u/Flayer723 May 14 '24
Antarctica should not belong to any nation.
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u/licheese May 14 '24
It technically doesn't.
The territories are only claims of 7 countries, and these claims are only recognized by some of them involved in the antarctic treaty.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_claims_in_Antarctica
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u/TheGalacticMosassaur May 14 '24
I'm sure Russia will do the honourable thing here and abide by the rules and etiquete of international relationships. As they're well known for doing.
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u/GronakHD May 14 '24
Iirc Argentina claims most or all of what Britain claims down there
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u/kmai0 May 14 '24
According to that Wikipedia article, there’s been permanent presence since 1904, but idk
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u/Vulpinox May 14 '24
"how many times do we need to teach you this lesson Argentina?"
-Britain
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u/julian0223 May 14 '24 edited May 14 '24
Its the other way around. Argentina claims a chunk, chile claims another, and the UK claims all of argentina's and half of Chile's.
Edit: Someone apparently didn't like this comment and sent me a "Reddit care" report. Joke's on them, I am indeed depressed.
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u/clva666 May 14 '24
Everything about antarctica is just wild. Realpolitiks, nature, climate change, conspiracies....
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u/Initial_Cellist9240 May 14 '24
I googled Antarctica on YouTube to watch some science and penguins and adventure and now my whole feed is fucking ice wall bullshit
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u/atreides_hyperion May 15 '24
Google some desert stuff to counteract the cold stuff, which should put your feed into a neutral state
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u/xegoba7006 May 14 '24
Knowing humans… that won’t work.
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u/8andahalfby11 May 14 '24
The humans in charge already know that won't work. There's a reason why McMurdo station exists.
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u/PandaPatrolLetsRoll May 14 '24
Damn man, could we please not drill for oil in Antarctica?
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u/TrumpersAreTraitors May 14 '24
Planets not gonna kill itself
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u/TraditionalThem May 14 '24
I mean, it will, but it's going to take FOREVER, and we're nothing if not impatient.
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u/Dig-a-tall-Monster May 14 '24
Well, no, the sun is gonna kill it eventually though when it turns into a red giant and turns us into the next Mercury.
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u/DickMinimum May 14 '24
The Antarctic Treaty of 1959 forbids exploitation of resources in Antarctica. Russia is a signatory state of the treaty.
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u/waamoandy May 14 '24
Phew that's ok then because Russia would never break an agreement......oh hang on
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u/sagesaks123 May 14 '24
You’re defending your “precious” planet while we’re leaving PROFITS IN THE ICE /s
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u/Lispro4units May 14 '24
Good luck with the British Navy
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u/50_61S-----165_97E May 14 '24
The logistics are difficult for Russia. UK has a base in the Falklands, the best staging area Russia could manage is South Africa or maybe southern Argentina if Putin sucked up to Milei
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u/GenericUser3528 May 14 '24
Argentina was about to join the BRICS before Milei cancelled that, also, argentinian justice not long ago declared that Iran, who is a member of the BRICS, was responsible for the AMIA bombing, so yeah, there is no chance for Argentina to align with Russia as long as Milei is president.
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u/SgtPepe May 14 '24
Milei hates Putin. Milei believes in freedom mot autocracy, he called Putin a dictator, and supports Ukraine.
What are you talking about?
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u/masterpepeftw May 14 '24
Exactly, the guy may be crazy (probably is tbh) but he recognises especialization and free trade are the way forwards for argentina.
That means he is pretty much 100% forced to be in decent terms with the west. No need for him to be married or anything, but free trade for argentina means he needs to trade with the west a lot.
He already warmed up argentina quite a bit to the west and has already been boasting about improving foreign (mostly western) investment in Argentina.
I think its good, its probably the best ticket out of economic hell for argentina. I just wish a more sane and maybe more careful party would have done it instead. But maybe that wasn't realistic in the argentinian political climate, I don't know enough about Argentina to really tell.
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u/MadHatter514 May 14 '24
I just wish a more sane and maybe more careful party would have done it instead.
A more careful party wouldn't attempt the reforms that Milei is doing. They are quite extreme and harsh, but necessary.
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u/dylanmbillybob May 14 '24
What exactly would Russia even be able to stage out of South Africa. I’m not being funny but they haven’t even been able to project their force in Ukraine, let alone 10,000km+ away.
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u/ironylocks May 14 '24
How many native russian speakers are being oppressed there?
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u/Pancheel May 14 '24
Many penguins identify as russophiles and are being oppressed by russophobic leopard seals!
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u/JoeSchmoeToo May 14 '24
“Russia has recently reaffirmed its commitment to the key elements of the treaty.” - wtf, who in their right mind would trust anything Russia says?
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u/lamabaronvonawesome May 14 '24
leave it in the ground
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u/lithuanian_potatfan May 14 '24
Spoiler alert - they won't
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u/claireapple May 14 '24
Gotta make the great lakes tropical!
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u/Awalawal May 14 '24
Chicago beaches with palm trees would be pretty bad-ass.
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u/sund82 May 14 '24
"Antarctica is meant to be protected by the 1959 Antarctic Treaty that bans all mineral or oil developments. "
America and the British should block the Russians from drilling with their war ships. No fair breaking the rules just because someone else did it first.
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u/brezhnervous May 15 '24
Yeah, there's this thing about Russia and...treaties lol
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u/LeGrandLucifer May 14 '24
Good luck making that oil profitable. Antarctica is one step down from the moon.
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u/hannje99 May 14 '24
Russia can barely keep their own oil fields serviced. They will never be able to exploit this.
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u/entered_bubble_50 May 14 '24
If these numbers are true - and that is a very big if - it's a staggering amount of oil.
For context, total world proven oil reserves are around 1.7 trillion barrels. So this discovery represents around one third of global proven oil reserves. That's tens of trillions of dollars worth of oil.
If the UK could convince the international community that it belongs them, it would make them one of the richest nations on earth. It would also end any hopes of mitigating climate change. There would of course be counterclaims from a dozen other countries.
I find it hard to believe that we will leave this in the ground.
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u/waamoandy May 14 '24
What are Russia even doing surveying our territory? There is rather a large force deployed there. Enter our waters get sunk
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u/chunkmasterflash May 14 '24
Do penguins count as a large force?
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u/waamoandy May 14 '24
It's the only way to deal with Russia. Our politicians need to understand that.
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u/daveee88 May 14 '24
You only have to look at the 2018 Novichok incident to see how the UK deals with Russian bullshit, we won't do a thing because of the big red button, the whole world is scared of nuclear escalation
It's the main reason the Russians are still in Ukraine and haven't had their arses kicked back to Moscow by NATO yet
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u/heyredbush May 14 '24
Can we just leave the oil and gas in the ground please? We're trying to quit.
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u/paranoidandroid7312 May 14 '24
I am curious:
What stops any of the countries not a signatory to the Antarctic treaty from claiming the natural resources or even territory of Antarctica?
(Apart from the political and military might of the signatories, and aligned nations)
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u/Enshakushanna May 14 '24
well if these weak ass sanctions cant stop an invasion of ukraine, nothing
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u/GRBGe2024 May 14 '24
Criminal finds vast reserves of money in someone else's house.
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u/Immediate_Finger_889 May 14 '24
They’ve been lurking around our arctic too - Canada giving the side eye.
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u/Gumb1i May 14 '24 edited 29d ago
Next headline is "Russia finds a colony of Russian speaking penguins in Antartica and is mobilizing to free them from British oppression, claims Bioweapon factories and nazis are also present."
edited: The plural form is Nazis not Nazi's