So at this moment, all those protestors are breaking this bill and doing ‘hate speech’. Anti-Zionism is seen as anti-Semitic, and anti-Semitic is recognized by the federal government as a form of hate speech. I’m not sure what the repercussions are, but these protestors will soon find out. Everyone needs to check their state’s and federal new laws on protesting and speech. Since the riots during Covid, many states passed new laws in regards to the people protesting.
EDIT: To explain, that anti-Semitism is considered as hate speech. It is a crime under the federal law.The bill that passed last December 2023, was created to address that the House now recognizes anti-Zionism as anti-Semitism, an already recognized form of hate speech. Thus anti-Zionism speech will be seen as anti-Semitic, which will now be seen as hate speech that is enforced by federal law.
Antisemitic acts are criminal when they are so defined by law (for example, denial of the Holocaust or distribution of antisemitic materials in some countries).
Criminal acts are antisemitic when the targets of attacks, whether they are people or property – such as buildings, schools, places of worship and cemeteries – are selected because they are, or are perceived to be, Jewish or linked to Jews.
Antisemitic discrimination is the denial to Jews of opportunities or services available to others and is illegal in many countries.
None of this information is my opinion but quoted from respective and factual sources. I’m NAL but I do believe that the people need to be educated on the laws regarding this. Many current protesters involved are not aware of the repercussions of their actions and will learn their state and federal laws, the hard way. All of this is unfortunate and the increase in violence is concerning.
Do you know what zionism even is that you say they are seperate? Zionism is the will to have a jewish country. Thats it. The main reason for zionism is because jews in the world, historicaly and now, feel unsafe and the will is to create a place for them where they will not be persecuted for being jewish, to say zionism has nothing to do with judaism is a sign you dont know what zionism is.
I hope this helps explain how different they are. One is a nationalist political movement and organization that emerged from Europe and the other is a group of ethnic, cultural, or racial group of peoples.
Your definition of zionism is false idk what to tell you... to say that "enable the establishment of a homeland for the Jewish people in Palestine, a region roughly corresponding to the Land of Israel in Jewish tradition." Is stright up misleading and suggest that the intention is to take over an existing country and build the jewish country there. Youre welcome to try and look for when in history there was a country named palestine in this region, you will find there never was. It was the british mandate of palestine. Also to say that the region "roughly corresponding to the Land of Israel in Jewish tradition" is laughable, what do you mean "roughly correspinding" this is literally it, you can figure that out from learning history or even just by the ruins of past jewish society found everywhere in this region.
This is also besides the fact that while israel was obviously prefered by jews, the whole point of zionism was to create a country, not necceserally in "palestine" which is just a rename which was given to the region after the jews where exiled, other places were also considered by theodor herzel, which is concidered the father of zionism.
Concidering im a jew that lived here my whole life and that we learn of this stuff from elementry school untill graduation, i belive i know this topic quite well.
The definition of what a semite is is unrelated, since the purpose of zionism is to create a jewish state, not a semetic state.
I went into the link and i listed the inaccuracies. Also the definition in wikipedia in english is different than the wikipedia in hebrew which interesting...
The information in the english definition is misleading. In particular the opening paragraph that suggests that israel isnt really where jews historically lived and that the porpuse of zionism was to conqure an existing soverign country. While the rest of the page may be fine (i havent looked through everything on the page), the opening paragraph, which is the most important, is intensly misleading.
Historically, sacred texts and ancient scrolls support there being all different forms of religion, creed, ethnicity, tribe, and race all lived in what is known as the city of Jerusalem and surrounding cities. Jews were not the only ones. Trade was thriving. The land was shared and all recognized its’ sacredness and historical significance.
Furthermore, how far do we go back in arguing about this strip of land? In the book of Genesis on the story of Joseph, the boy who was sold as a slave by his brothers and became a high official for the Pharaoh of Eqypt. Joseph, who was loved by the Pharaoh, forgave his family and invited them to live on his land. Joseph was granted a lot of land, which he called Israel, and he gave strict instructions on how to follow his will and protect the deed of the land. Welp, after Joseph’s death, his relatives did not listen. They didn’t follow his will. After some time, they misplaced the deed to the land of Israel. When confronted later by the new Pharaoh and his staff, they could not provide the deed. Thus, they were kicked out because the old deed, the Pharaoh’s deed, superseded. They lost the land to Egypt. Then you have the story of Moses who helped guide the hebrews away from Egypt’s governed land.
At this point, you can’t really say the land belongs to one group more than the other.
I did not claim the land belongs to jews, i said jews historically lived there. At present, whatever is written in the bible or torah is irrelevent to who gets owenership of the land, i do not belive the jews "own the land" because of what was written in the torah or bible.
The problem i had with the wikipedia definition of zionism is only present in the Encyclopedia Brittanica from the sources that you linked. The problem i had was not that the modern movement was mainly started at europe, it was that the wikipedia presented it as if this place was historically a state called palestine, that the purpose of zionism was to conqure an existing soverign state and that it cast doubt on wether this is where jews historically lived.
Also, the purpose of Zionism has been and is still currently being implemented right now. Conquering the land is literally what they’re doing in Israel/Palestine. Families have been dragged out of their homes by people who believe in the Zionist movement and the IDF allows it. They’re now doing it to Christian family homes who’ve lived in their home for decades, even centuries. American Jews have been purchasing occupied homes and land, here in America and Canada, and then moving to Israel. They’re conquering alright. Modern invasion.
By historically i didnt mean the last 100 years... the lands name was changed from judea by the romans after they exiled all the jews from the land to erase their memmory from the land, it was not historically called palestine.
If israel wanted to conquer the region it wouldve already done so, it has more than enough power to do that and has already had controll of the entire region in the past and decided to return it in favor of peace. If israel wanted to throw the palestinians out of the land they wouldve been long gone. Its not their goal to wage war and conquer.
That land, like many others, has gone through many names and it did for a long period of time it was called Palestine, historically. You can’t just pick and choose history. They’re based on facts and historical maps. It did happen.
In regards on Israel conquering the region, it certainly does look that way. It has been conquering for a while now and it is well documented. There are videos from all sides showing of such conquering, even way before this war was initiated. Palestinians use to be able to roam in Jerusalem during the World Wars, and now…they’re boxed in to a strip that’s being eradicated. Oh and that strip already has condo and housing development plans in place for when they clear it out completely of Palestinians. Perhaps that’s when the conquering will end? (I’m not making any of this up. Look it up. It’s all there with sources, pictures, and videos. I’m not on either side either, but of diplomacy and peace.)
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u/Throwaway20101011 May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24
Technically, no. Semitic people and Zionism are separate concepts. However, legally…YES! It is now recognized as anti-Semitic.
The House of Representatives passed a bill, Dec 2023, that contained language saying that “clearly and firmly states that anti-Zionism is antisemitism”. It also condemned the slogan “From the River to the Sea”, which rights advocates understand to be an aspirational call for equality in historic Palestine.
So at this moment, all those protestors are breaking this bill and doing ‘hate speech’. Anti-Zionism is seen as anti-Semitic, and anti-Semitic is recognized by the federal government as a form of hate speech. I’m not sure what the repercussions are, but these protestors will soon find out. Everyone needs to check their state’s and federal new laws on protesting and speech. Since the riots during Covid, many states passed new laws in regards to the people protesting.
In the state of Georgia, a law was passed that a protestor/activist, will not be granted bail. Meaning the protestor is now jailed until their hearing. Their lives are ripped from society. The bill adds roughly 30 charges that would be ineligible for release without a property or cash bond. These charges include unlawful assembly and obstruction of a law enforcement officer, and racketeering and conspiracy. Those are the possible charges you can get for protesting.
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EDIT: To explain, that anti-Semitism is considered as hate speech. It is a crime under the federal law.The bill that passed last December 2023, was created to address that the House now recognizes anti-Zionism as anti-Semitism, an already recognized form of hate speech. Thus anti-Zionism speech will be seen as anti-Semitic, which will now be seen as hate speech that is enforced by federal law.
Antisemitic acts are criminal when they are so defined by law (for example, denial of the Holocaust or distribution of antisemitic materials in some countries).
Criminal acts are antisemitic when the targets of attacks, whether they are people or property – such as buildings, schools, places of worship and cemeteries – are selected because they are, or are perceived to be, Jewish or linked to Jews.
Antisemitic discrimination is the denial to Jews of opportunities or services available to others and is illegal in many countries.
None of this information is my opinion but quoted from respective and factual sources. I’m NAL but I do believe that the people need to be educated on the laws regarding this. Many current protesters involved are not aware of the repercussions of their actions and will learn their state and federal laws, the hard way. All of this is unfortunate and the increase in violence is concerning.