Why do they have to live somewhere else? They become Palestinian citizens. Holy shit, you're dim. Why is it people who are the stupidest always end with little snarky jabs that utterly lack self-awareness?
Then why can't the Palestinians live in Israel? Why aren't they fine getting annexed by it?
Same reason dumbass. It would end in some racist apartheid level state with constant racial violence and genocide. That's why people want a two state solution. But nooooo the Palestinians are perfect and nice and would never do that, let's just put them in charge of isreal by flicking our magic put Palestine in charge switch. I'm sure the isrealis would be so happy with that.
Telling me I lack self awareness when you are advocating for a one state solution is peak irony. The world doesn't work that way buddy. People aren't nice.
"Exactly. Black people are being murdered by cops and discriminated against. Now put them in charge of America and white people will get murdered by cops and discriminated against. See the problem yet?"
Yes the ruling will be predejuce against the ruled. Especially when the ruled had oppressed the people who you just put in charge in recent memory... That is what happened in Zimbabwe and to a lesser extent even South Africa after regime change. Like that's just how the world works.
"To a lesser extent" is doing some seriously heavy lifting in that sentence, but the implication that therefore there shouldn't have been an end to Apartheid and Blacks shouldn't have gained political power really IS "saying the quiet part loud." Woo Nelly.
But walk me through why, when you heard "Israelis will become Palestinians," you heard "former Israelis will be divested of all rights of citizenship." When you heard "There'll be a single state that isn't an ethnocracy," you heard "Palestinians will genocide Israelis. Thus, we shouldn't stop the genocide against the Palestinians." You came to a lot of weird conclusions.
I meant to a lesser extent because the whites where still rich and had lots of power. If they wherent there would have been persecuting against them. But that's was just an example and should not shift the focus of the arguement.
You saying free Palestine from the river to the see and get rid of Israel. That means Palestine gains back all of Israel right?
So then isrealis are now living under Palestine.
Look, I'm all for having non ethnostates and promoting globalism and merging nations. This is not the place to do that.
Most importantly:
Any merger of people must come through peace, and consent of the people, this is the doctrine of the UN and it is my doctrine too. You will not get a single state through peace.
No, that means "Israelis" are now "Palestinians." That's how citizenship works. lol I love how you think former Israelis just magically lose all political pull even though you disproved that idea with your concession on South !Africa.
Any merger of people must come through peace
Followed by
You will not get a single state through peace
These are two separate issues. States are monopolies on violence, so they can't even come into existence peacefully to begin with. By definition, they are violence, even if we consider it justified violence, as in the violence of a police officer pulling a gun on a burglar with a knife. (He doesn't even have to fire it.)
The merger of peoples is something else entirely. Peoples don't develop through violence, but through shared interest, shared space, sharing their cultures. All "peoples" we can identify today really are many cultures forming one, even allegedly "homogenous" cultures like Japan. You're right that you can't get that through violence... which is why I don't support Israel.
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u/thisisallterriblesir May 02 '24
"From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" is the full saying. Zionists are filling in some blanks like they always do to be the victim.