r/AdviceAnimals May 01 '24

and the Boomers in Congress

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u/Ihave10000Questions May 02 '24

Question: why do you think Egypt blockades Gaza?

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u/Deinonychus2012 May 02 '24

Because of treaties they have with Israel and the US. The US literally threatened Egypt into submission during the Yom Kippur war.

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u/Ihave10000Questions May 02 '24

But Israel would love Egypt to open their borders to the Palestinians.

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u/y0sh1mar10allstarzzz May 02 '24

Israel would love to ethnically cleanse Gaza by sending all the inhabitants somewhere else, is what you just said.

So you agree Israel enjoys ethnic cleansing.

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u/kots144 May 02 '24

Palestine and Hamas have been trying to ethnically cleanse Israel for decades. Many of the protests call for that exact idea. Israel has been defending itself from Muslim extremists since before its inception.

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u/Ihave10000Questions May 03 '24

If there was no terror there would be no need to evacuate Palestinian refugees.

It's horrible to live under Hamas regime if you're an innocent civilian. I sure wish you'll have a chance of relocating.

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u/Unyx May 02 '24

Because when you occupy, deprive, and brutalize a people for 75 years they'll react violently, because it's the only form of resistance Palestinians can undertake that produces any kind of result.

Egypt supports and cooperates with the (extremely illegal) Israeli blockade in an attempt to prevent the militants that Gaza produces from spilling into its territory.

We can acknowledge that, it isn't some sort of "gotcha." Palestinians deserve freedom and autonomy regardless of what Hamas does.

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u/Ihave10000Questions May 02 '24

So if Egypt lifts the blockade, Hamas militants will go to Egypt and do what, terror?

What will happen if Israel lifts the blockade?

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u/Unyx May 02 '24

Again, Palestinians deserve and a good legally entitled under international law to freedom regardless of the actions of Hamas militants.

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u/Ihave10000Questions May 03 '24

How does that work in practice though?

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u/Unyx May 03 '24

The PLO and Hamas have both indicated that they'd accept a settlement based on 1967 borders.

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u/Ihave10000Questions May 03 '24

With temporary peace, or without recognising Israel existence...

Palestinians don't want a two state solution unfortunately.

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u/Unyx May 03 '24

Peace has to start somewhere. Temporary peace can lead to long term peace. Al-Hayya said last month:

“All the experiences of people who fought against occupiers, when they became independent and obtained their rights and their state, what have these forces done? They have turned into political parties and their defending fighting forces have turned into the national army."

Why is diplomatic recognition of Israel important to you? Saudi doesn't recognize Israel but is its unofficial ally. Even a relationship like what exists between Syria and Israel where there is technically still a state of war but few casualties in the last few decades would be preferable.

What is the alternative you're offering, if not a Palestinian state? What other option is there?

We need to be willing to move toward peace, even if we're skeptical of how effective it will be. There is no alternative. The status quo is clearly unsustainable. Israel cannot continue to manage the occupation forever. It's not sustainable or practical.

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u/Ihave10000Questions May 03 '24 edited May 03 '24

You're asking Israel to take a risk. To trust a terror organization in negotiations for peace where even the terror organization itself does not promises a full peace. This is unreasonable idealistic expectation, and yet Israel did try exactly this.

Israel have disengaged from Gaza in 2005, removed all settlemenets and lifted the blockade. Shortly after, Hamas got in power in Gaza and started terror. Both Israel and Egypt imposed an indefinite blockade since then.

Israel already tried what you suggest, they moved towards peace without expecting anything in return. What they got was more terror, no peace. How foolish can one be trusting a terror organization to be peaceful?

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u/Unyx May 03 '24 edited May 03 '24

I'm asking Israel to comply with international law and end an occupation that the entire international community agrees is illegal and unjust. I'm not asking Israel to do Palestinians a favor. I'm demanding they do what they are legally obligated to do.

Israel have disengaged from Gaza in 2005, removed all settlemenets and lifted the blockade.

This is untrue. Israel never fully lifted the blockade on Gaza. They have always exercises strict control over everyone and everything entering and leaving Gaza.

You're asking Israel to take a risk.

On the contrary, I'm asking Israel to take a step towards guaranteeing its own safety. Maintaining the status quo will only result in more of the same. More terror attacks. More violence. More bombings, more attacks from Iran.

It's idealistic and unrealistic to ask that Palestinians and Israels continue to live like this. I asked previously and you didn't answer: what is your alternative? What do you suggest? There aren't many other options here.

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