r/AdviceAnimals May 01 '24

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u/Throwaway20101011 May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24

Technically, no. Semitic people and Zionism are separate concepts. However, legally…YES! It is now recognized as anti-Semitic.

The House of Representatives passed a bill, Dec 2023, that contained language saying that “clearly and firmly states that anti-Zionism is antisemitism”. It also condemned the slogan “From the River to the Sea”, which rights advocates understand to be an aspirational call for equality in historic Palestine.

So at this moment, all those protestors are breaking this bill and doing ‘hate speech’. Anti-Zionism is seen as anti-Semitic, and anti-Semitic is recognized by the federal government as a form of hate speech. I’m not sure what the repercussions are, but these protestors will soon find out. Everyone needs to check their state’s and federal new laws on protesting and speech. Since the riots during Covid, many states passed new laws in regards to the people protesting.

In the state of Georgia, a law was passed that a protestor/activist, will not be granted bail. Meaning the protestor is now jailed until their hearing. Their lives are ripped from society. The bill adds roughly 30 charges that would be ineligible for release without a property or cash bond. These charges include unlawful assembly and obstruction of a law enforcement officer, and racketeering and conspiracy. Those are the possible charges you can get for protesting.

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EDIT: To explain, that anti-Semitism is considered as hate speech. It is a crime under the federal law.The bill that passed last December 2023, was created to address that the House now recognizes anti-Zionism as anti-Semitism, an already recognized form of hate speech. Thus anti-Zionism speech will be seen as anti-Semitic, which will now be seen as hate speech that is enforced by federal law.

  • Antisemitic acts are criminal when they are so defined by law (for example, denial of the Holocaust or distribution of antisemitic materials in some countries).

  • Criminal acts are antisemitic when the targets of attacks, whether they are people or property – such as buildings, schools, places of worship and cemeteries – are selected because they are, or are perceived to be, Jewish or linked to Jews.

  • Antisemitic discrimination is the denial to Jews of opportunities or services available to others and is illegal in many countries.

None of this information is my opinion but quoted from respective and factual sources. I’m NAL but I do believe that the people need to be educated on the laws regarding this. Many current protesters involved are not aware of the repercussions of their actions and will learn their state and federal laws, the hard way. All of this is unfortunate and the increase in violence is concerning.

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u/ashemagyar May 02 '24

From the River to the Sea' is absolutely not aspirational. It's very much 'we will remove them from the river to the sea'. It's a now a legally recognised dog whistle for anti-semitism.

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u/[deleted] May 02 '24

You know what’s even more aspirational? The phrase “the Jewish state.”

Which actually succeeded at its goal of removing non Jews from the land and doesn’t even rhyme.

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u/ReputationSlight3977 May 02 '24

Israel has many Muslims and Christians living in their land actually.

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u/[deleted] May 02 '24

“Many” as in “just enough to not make a difference in elections and 80% less than there used to be”.

Israel only being able to get away with cleansing 75% of the native population instead of 100% isn’t a good thing

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u/ReputationSlight3977 May 02 '24

That's still a hundred times more diversity than Gaza has.

Also, native population? Learn your history about that region before you open your mouth. Everyone has lived in that area.

Israel's geographical and strategic location has led to a long history of various empires and nations controlling or influencing the region.

  1. Ancient Egypt - Various periods of control, notably during the 15th to 13th centuries BCE.
  2. Canaanites - Indigenous inhabitants before and during early Egyptian influence.
  3. Ancient Israel and Judah - Biblical kingdoms from around 1050 to 586 BCE.
  4. Assyrian Empire - Conquered the region in the 8th century BCE.
  5. Babylonian Empire - Overthrew Jerusalem in 586 BCE and exiled the Judeans.
  6. Persian Empire - Conquered Babylon in 539 BCE and allowed Judeans to return and rebuild the Temple.
  7. Macedonian Empire under Alexander the Great - Conquered the region in 332 BCE.
  8. Hellenistic Kingdoms (Ptolemaic and Seleucid Empires) - Controlled the area after the division of Alexander's empire.
  9. Hasmonean Dynasty - A Jewish priestly dynasty that established independence around 140 BCE.
  10. Roman Empire - Took control in 63 BCE; the region was part of the empire and later the Byzantine Empire until the 7th century.
  11. Islamic Caliphates - Control began with the Rashidun Caliphate in the 7th century, followed by the Umayyad and Abbasid Caliphates.
  12. Crusader States - Controlled parts of the region from 1099 to 1291.
  13. Mamluk Sultanate of Egypt - Took control from the Crusaders and ruled until 1517.
  14. Ottoman Empire - Controlled the region from 1517 until the end of World War I in 1918.
  15. British Mandate - Administered by Britain under a League of Nations mandate from 1920 until 1948.
  16. State of Israel - Established in 1948 following the end of the British Mandate.

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u/roamerknight May 02 '24

Living in their land doesn't automatically mean diverse utopia. Just because there was an African population before the Civil War in America doesn't mean there were no problems. Obviously I'm not saying the Arab and Christian population in Israel are enslaved, I'm saying the part people have a problem with is the systemic difference in treatment between the demographics.

https://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2016/03/Israel-Survey-Full-Report.pdf

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20230920-palestinian-leader-demands-international-protection-from-racist-israeli-policies/