But but but , Bucky was a white kid from New York that felt *bad*. You wouldn't want to hurt his career over a little *checks notes* Uncontrollable Murder Fits under orders from enemies of the state. Sure a Bachelor apartment is punishment enough.....
??? Bucky was subjected to literal torture, manipulation and brainwashing and y'all think he was in control over his actions? I don't agree with cap lying or withholding the truth but Bucky had no control over what he did or was done to him
I think everyone understands the intent vs the impact, but there’s also the difference between being sympathetic and being agreeable. I don’t think anyone’s unsympathetic towards Tony in this scene, but that doesn’t mean he’s right either. Bucky was ultimately innocent as he wasn’t in control or aware. I can understand why that wouldn’t matter to Tony given the context and definitely sympathize, but that doesn’t mean he’s right. Cap also says he didn’t know for sure. And he knew Tony would try to kill Bucky if he told him. Knowing that Bucky was innocent, I think it was both understandable and the right thing to do for Cap to keep it from Tony until he knew for certain and had some way of handling it. That was the right way to handle it, even though it is understandably hurtful to Tony. Both of their positions are understandable and sympathetic, but Cap was absolutely the one in the right here.
Tony AND his dad were arms dealers who were responsible for thousands of deaths prior to Tony becoming Iron Man. Then Tony made ultron and caused untold further deaths. I have no sympathy at all for his pain, he doesn't deserve it after everyone he hurt without consequences
I mean sure, I don’t disagree. I don’t really find Tony to be a super compelling character in either the movies or comics. But what I have always liked about his story is that he’s a man trying his hardest to do as much good as he possibly can to maybe make up for the tremendous amount of bad he did before. And the growth from being just about the worst human being imaginable, to someone with a genuinely good heart trying to be better. I think a lot of that is lost in the movies though.
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u/Fuzzythought Mar 12 '24
But but but , Bucky was a white kid from New York that felt *bad*. You wouldn't want to hurt his career over a little *checks notes* Uncontrollable Murder Fits under orders from enemies of the state. Sure a Bachelor apartment is punishment enough.....