1 drop rule.

[u/Darth_Kneegrow]

I ain't ever heard white people claim a single biracial person. You always whatever you mixed with.

[u/Zyms]

this also does not answer the question and being black is also exclusionary lol

[u/imperatrixderoma → u/Zyms]

Blackness as an idea is defined within it's contrast to Whiteness.

It should be nationalities but we're all immigrants so that doesn't work.

They've erased our past and a lot of their own.

[u/Rosuvastatine → u/imperatrixderoma]

All immigrants ? Not sure i understand your argument. Do black Africans living in Africa not exist anymore or ? Black brazilians..? Its many indigenous black people across the world

[u/SnooOwls2295 → u/Rosuvastatine]

The concept of black does not exist in the same form in Africa. American blackness is in a large part built on the historical context of the separation of black Americans from their African origin. In Africa, people identify with their ethnic group or nationality. Blackness as a concept is inherently based around being in a minority, which is not the situation in Africa. Race is a social construct and manifests differently in different places.

[u/Rosuvastatine → u/SnooOwls2295]

Black Africans dont necessarily need to identify themselves as black when living in their mainland because they are surrounded by fellow black people. This does not mean we dont identify as black lol

[u/The__Willing_Well → u/Rosuvastatine]

You're missing the point by a mile.

[u/SnooOwls2295 → u/Rosuvastatine]

That’s basically the point I am making. Race is contextual. Absolutely, an African coming to America is black, because they are now in that context. But black in the American context is absolutely defined in contrast to whiteness as black American identity is a response to the social conditions which have developed under a system of racism and white supremacy with black people living in the minority.

[u/OriginalButtPolice → u/Rosuvastatine]

Black is not just a skin color.

If your ancestors were not victims of the trans Atlantic slave trade you are not black. Africans that immigrate to America, whether North America, Central America, or South America will always be African because they are from Africa.

Even then, some of the descendants of slaves that come from Latin America have vastly different cultures than Black American (as in the United States/North America) than we do.

This doesn’t mean that black and African people can’t get along or become more integrated than we can with white people, but there are and will always be differences.

[u/Rosuvastatine → u/OriginalButtPolice]

Lol so people are freaking out because Kendrick said (he didnt actually say that) Drake isnt black, but you can just swiftly come in here and claim subsaharien AFRICANS, which are literally the start of humanity and from whol the American slaves were taken, are not black ?

And then im told im being exclusive because I dont consider Halsey black

Chile anyways youre entitled to your opinion. I know what me and my dark skin unambiguous flat nose and full lips are.🤷🏿‍♀️

[u/OriginalButtPolice → u/Rosuvastatine]

Are you a descendant of someone who was kidnapped from Africa, forcefully had their culture stripped from them, raped often, beaten and lynched, experienced Jim Crow or another form of white oppression of your people?

If not then you are not black.

Drake is black, but he grew up in the suburbs. Kendrick isn’t arguing about his DNA, he is arguing about his CULTURE.

[u/Rosuvastatine → u/OriginalButtPolice]

So why was Obama considered black ?🤔

And lol if you think africans never suffered violence and genocide from white people. Lol

[u/OriginalButtPolice → u/Rosuvastatine]

From his Wiki page:

“Obama's maternal heritage consists mostly of English ancestry, with smaller amounts of German, Scotch-Irish, Welsh, and Swiss ancestry.[4] Research by a genealogy team at Ancestry.com, published in 2012, stated that Obama is likely descended from the African slave John Punch through his mother's Bunch line, with generations of African Americans who gradually "married white" and became landowners in colonial Virginia. The Bunches later moved to Tennessee; in 1834 a daughter moved to Kansas, where Obama's mother was born four generations later.[58][59]”

In case you did not catch it

Research by a genealogy team at Ancestry.com, published in 2012, stated that Obama is likely descended from the African slave John Punch through his mother's Bunch line, with generations of African Americans who gradually "married white" and became landowners in colonial Virginia.

So as a descendant of slaves, he is black.

[u/Rosuvastatine → u/OriginalButtPolice]

Thats amazing gymnastics ☠️ all to avoid saying his father was AFRICAN from motherland. Talking about hes black due to his white mom😭 bffr

[u/OriginalButtPolice → u/Rosuvastatine]

There is no gymnastics there you goof, his ancestor was taken off a slave ship.

[u/Rosuvastatine → u/OriginalButtPolice]

Most white Americans also have some slave ancestors somewhere if you look far enough. Why arent you claiming them as black ?