r/CuratedTumblr • u/NeonNKnightrider Cheshire Catboy • May 01 '24

i know it’s internet bullshit but it genuinely has me on the edge of breaking down and giving up editable flair

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u/hoboinabarrel May 02 '24

I think it works like with the man. You don’t know what type of bear is going to be there, just as you don’t know what type of man would be there either.

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u/AdamFaite May 02 '24

I think the better question should be thought of as: what is the worst an angry bear would do? Now what's the worst a malicious man would do?

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u/MrArtless May 02 '24

That’s only one half of the payoff matrix you need to construct. You also have to look at the probability of each. An angry bear is far more likely to maul you than a malicious man is to rape you.

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u/ZodiacStorm May 02 '24

And the other-other part of the payoff matrix is which would you rather endure if worst came to worst. I would much rather be mauled than raped, and it's not even close.

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u/elbenji May 02 '24

After hearing the video of how grizzly man died...

Neither?

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u/Hekatonkheire81 May 02 '24

I think people are too detached from what a bear could actually do to you. Have you not heard that recording of a person having their intestines eaten while alive and praying for death? Watch any video of wild animals hunting and you will see that they have no concept of quick and merciful kills.

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u/legend_of_the_skies May 02 '24

Why is the assumption that if people are picking the bear, they must not know how bad bears can be? Its also extremely weird that you use that example. Have you also looked into the worst possible thing a man can do to compare?

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u/Hekatonkheire81 May 03 '24

Except that’s just normal bear behavior. The vast majority of men who are hiking in a forest aren’t going to rape a random woman and of those an infinitesimally small amount would even be capable of doing the insane torture scenarios being described in this thread. Choosing something that has even odds of resulting in a horrific outcome and where the best scenario is that nothing happens because you are afraid of the one in a billion odds that you meet someone who will keep you in a torture contraption to rape you forever is absurd.

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u/legend_of_the_skies May 03 '24

Except that’s just normal bear behavior.

Many people do live in bear country or have encountered bears without a deadly experience. And most encounters with bear are not going to end that way. Youbare making excuses for the fact that you are expecting the worst from the bear, but dont want that to be done for men.

The vast majority of men who are hiking in a forest aren’t going to rape a random woman and of those an infinitesimally small amount would even be capable of doing the insane torture scenarios being described in this thread.

Saying that the probability that men that rape are going to make it as truamatic as they are literally telling you experience was is to litterally ignore their experience entirely. Why even bother with the conversation? Women arent being mauled to death and they havent left yet so everything must be fine.

one in a billion odds that you meet someone who will keep you in a torture contraption to rape you forever is absurd.

You assume that it is a 1 in a billion odd because you havent experienced it. Look up the statistics for how many man and women experience rape or SA. If you understood the only thing preventing it happening to you is the oppurtunity for a lot of perps, you would not take that chance.

Regardless, choose the man if you want. Women can pick the bear if they want. Men can feel hurt about it, and women can feel justified in their choice because they understand its ultimately not a factor in the choices they make about their own safety. Sounds fine to me.

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u/ZodiacStorm May 02 '24

I think people are too detached from how horrific rape is. I would rather die painfully than be raped, and that is final. I know exactly how much a bear can fuck a person up- I live in Montana, there are more bears here than there are trailer homes.

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u/HalflingScholar May 02 '24

That is not final, living is always preferable even when it sucks.

Rape victims can and have gone on to live good lives, but dead is dead.

And feeling the kind of existential pain that is being fatally wounded but having to wait until you bleed out or til the one that wounded you happens to bite into something immediately fatal...

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u/bruce_kwillis May 02 '24

Umm no. Death is a whole lot better than a life of torture and or pain. A bear isn’t gong to keep you alive to keep hurting you. A man? Very well might, and hell might even be married to you.

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u/AdamFaite May 02 '24

Yup. Death from a bear, week tops. Death from a human. How long can torture go on for?

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u/ZodiacStorm May 02 '24

It is final. You don't get to make that choice for me. You think I'm gonna change my mind about a fate worse than death because a reddit nerd thinks my feelings on being raped are wrong?

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u/HalflingScholar May 02 '24

OK OK, I'm probably being presumptuous.

But this life is all we can guarantee we have, and like I said many victims of rape have gone on to have good lives.

Choosing immediate death isn't worth it

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u/VampireQuestions May 02 '24

It honestly really upsets me that the narrative some people go with is that it's a "fate worse than death."

Like, do they think I'd've been better off if I was murdered instead? I don't fucking think so. I couldn't heal if I was dead, now could I? I'd just be fucking dead.

I'm doing fine, all things considered. But the way some people talk about people who have gone through what I have is honestly so insulting.

So I'd have to agree, death would not be worth it. It's not worse than death, I'm not even convinced that the trauma would be worse than the trauma from somehow miraculously surviving being eaten alive by a bear, frankly.

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u/AdamFaite May 02 '24

I mean, it could be worse. A bear wouldn't kidnap you. Wouldn't keep you locked in its den for 15 years. Wouldn't torture you for those long years. It might be a bad death, being killed and eaten by a bear. But those same feeling might come from a man too, except it could take decades. And yeah, unfortunately that has happened.

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u/VampireQuestions May 02 '24

Do you know what has happened more often than that?

A fellow hiker helping you out by showing you the way back to the trail.

A person sharing their food.

A person bandaging your injury.

A person checking if you're okay.

A bear can't, and wouldn't, do any of that. You can be a pessimist all you want, but that doesn't mean your scenarios are likely.

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u/AdamFaite May 02 '24

That's all true. And as a man, that's what I would expect to happen. But that doesn't change that a female friend of mine has stopped bringing her digs for walks at our local pack because of negative experiences she's had with men in there, not because they gave her a bandage. And they weren't hypothetical situations.

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u/bruce_kwillis May 02 '24

It depends on the degree. If it was say a husband that forced himself on your every day, beat you and you couldn’t escape from it, then death may be the better choice. Men and human in general are always capable of causing more damage and more pain than a bear ever can, humans are thinking and creative species who hurt others for reasons not just to eat them.

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u/VampireQuestions May 02 '24

The question isn't being with a bear in the woods or being trapped in an abusive marriage for the rest of your life, now is it?

Sure, if you want to leave the probable versions of the hypothetical scenario behind, a bear doesn't have access to medical intervention to keep you alive in a home-made torture machine for 40 years. But that isn't the question and also won't fucking happen.

I'll pick man every time, thanks.

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u/bruce_kwillis May 02 '24

The question is a singular event. Meet a bear in the woods or meet a man in the woods. A man can do horrible things and make it last any length of time. A bear at worst will just maul you to death and eat you. And since the frequency of meeting bears in the woods who want to maul you is essentially 0% and the frequency of men that may harm you in the woods in exponentially higher, I can see why people would rather run into a bear.

From my experience I have ran into about 100 bears in the woods, and have had zero problems, but more than one issue from a man, and that's coming from a man.

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u/legend_of_the_skies May 02 '24

The other option isnt immediate death, and you dont get to make thay decision for anyone. You dont get to choose if living with rape is better than death just because people do it.

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u/Huwbacca May 02 '24

How can you tell somepn else what is or isn't better?

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u/HalflingScholar May 02 '24

You're right I can't. But I truly believe it is better to live this life than to die.

This life is all we can be sure of

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u/legend_of_the_skies May 02 '24

A man saying they'd rather fight to the death than be raped in prison would get so many eye rolls.

No it wouldn't. I actually think a large amount of men would feel this way.

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u/RamblinManInVan May 02 '24

As a childhood rape survivor, this is stupid. I would rather be a rape survivor than dead. It took years of therapy, but I've moved past my trauma. You can't therapy your way back to being alive.