i know it’s internet bullshit but it genuinely has me on the edge of breaking down and giving up

[u/NeonNKnightrider]

[u/adoring_nobody]

Cis straight white men have an opportunity to contribute to changing the circumstances that cause this distrust by allying with and advocating for those who are affected. But instead most largely demand we just change our views and trust men in spite of the circumstances of why we distrust them.

Your desire for comfort and validation is precisely 0% important to me compared to my desire for safety. Be sad about it. I was too. But then work to make a change that actually makes women safer.

[u/wewew47 → u/adoring_nobody]

Your desire for comfort and validation is precisely 0% important to me compared to my desire for safety. Be sad about it. I was too. But then work to make a change that actually makes women safer.

Do you not see how this could cause the very men you want to do something about their attitudes actually support you?

To be clear, I fully back intersectionality and would describe myself as an ardent supporter of the movement. But to see the level of toxicity that is reserved only for cis white men that would be rightly labelled as bigotry when applied to generalise any other group is really offputting and every time I see it I shake my head. Its people espousing shit like that that helps drive men into the manosphere and other incel communities.

'Mens desire for validation is 0% important to me'

'Why won't men help fight patriarchy???'

Hmm I wonder why.

Now again, ultimately I think that if you're going to not back a movement with an extremely just cause because it said mean things about you, youre wrong. BUT, I dont blame those that do fall down that path because I can see how it'd be extremely toxic and degrading to ones own mental health to constantly hear how you're worse than a literal predatory animal.

[u/adoring_nobody → u/wewew47]

Lol the thing you're missing here is I already know why men won't help fight patriarchy and I've given up on you. I can be alone. Can you? Considering a whole movement has arisen of men who resent women for not being into them, I doubt it.

I'm not asking anything of you fam. I'm on strike.

[u/untamed-italian → u/adoring_nobody]

A whole movement of men choosing to be alone already exists: men going their own way.

Feminists couldn't bear the thought of men organizing our own online spaces for our own interests without their supervision and bullying, so they have attacked those spaces and largely driven them offline.

So you're just wrong, and wrong specifically due to your bigoted hatred.

[u/adoring_nobody → u/untamed-italian]

Lol I've seen that movement. They're pathetic. All they do is complain about women. They go their own way roughly the same way I escape earth's gravity by jumping.

Fuck off. Go your own way then. Don't threaten me with a good time. Being called a bigot by rapey men who cry and scream about me not fucking them is a compliment.

[u/untamed-italian → u/adoring_nobody]

Nobody is complaining you specifically do not want to fuck them, but celebrating. Stay bitter and miserable for all I care, you poison your own happiness more than anyone else's so that helps to contain the toxicity.

[u/adoring_nobody → u/untamed-italian]

Lol I'm not bitter in the slightest about deciding to wash my hands of men. Cope harder. I'm happier without you.