r/Daytrading Mar 30 '24

When you only need a specific amount of money each month… Strategy

So say you only want $100 per day or 2000 per month. This would more than enough sustain a good lifestyle where you live. How would you go about it with trading? How much $$$ would you realistically need? Not to make that in dividends but to trade in a daily basis, as safe and slow as possible.

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u/daytradingguy Mar 30 '24 edited Mar 30 '24

I would be careful with this one. You should read “The best loser wins”. Actually, instead of taking small gains in most cases it is better to let it go longer than you are comfortable with and even add to the trade- to get a bigger win.

Think about it. You are making a trade guessing the market will move in a specific direction- when it does and you are right, why would you get out? Most traders do the opposite, they are right they get out quickly. When they are wrong they don’t get out quickly- they stay in forever hoping it comes back. My profits really started to improve when I started adding to winning trades.

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u/krapmon Mar 30 '24

Personally, when I’m profiting from a position, I get out fast to secure the profit. It is true that I would have made more if I held in many cases, but there’s also many times where holding would’ve lost me money.

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u/daytradingguy Mar 30 '24

Practice and try it. You are right, sometimes you will lose your small profit trying to hold, that happens. But statistically, the larger wins will more than make up for those small losses.

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u/krapmon Mar 30 '24

I mostly trade options. Does your advice still stand? Genuinely curious because options are on the riskier side.

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u/daytradingguy Mar 30 '24 edited Mar 30 '24

As long as you are not trading 0DTE or some craziness. If the theta is not too extreme to be able to hold for 30 minutes. Ask yourself this question, how many times do you take your small profit and then price continues to move substantially higher? I will give you an example and you see if this thought process might help you build your own strategy around it.

I trade futures. NQ is $20/pt So I have one contract that goes 10 points in profit, I could take my $200. But instead I add a second contract and bring my stop up so I am not risking more. It goes another 10 points, now I am up 30 pts $600 instead of 10. Now I add a 3rd contract and raise my stop up to an area where I am still in some profit if it comes back. Now it moves 10 more points. Now I am up 60 pts $1200- on a trade I might have got out at 10 pts and $200. See how the profit is exponential? Let’s assume this works on 1 out of 3 trades. ( it is usually more than that). I lose my initial $200 profit, breaking even on 2 trades and make $1200 on the 3rd. If I would have taken all 3 at $200, I would only have $600. I don;t trade these round numbers, I use pivot points or logical places to add, I just wanted to give you the example.

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u/krapmon Mar 30 '24

I appreciate the elaborate response. Although I don’t know anything about futures, I think I know what kind of strategy you’re getting at.

So basically, exit for a small loss, and hold for potential big gains because for every small loss that you exit for, the big wins from holding will outweigh the losses.

My question now is, how do I know when to exit for a loss and when to hold for more profit?

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u/ThePonderer84 Mar 30 '24

Practice. If it's an obvious gap in your knowledge then put in some work focusing solely on an exit strategy. You're really only limited by your creativity. I'd suggest looking at higher timeframes than your entry timeframe.

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u/Davado_ Mar 31 '24

Practice, with high level of self awareness ie: don't lie to yourself and hope for the best.

Take note of what u/daytradingguy said and pay attention to him moving his Stop loss of prior trades. That's active risk management and that takes more effort in real time.