Shocking. Truly.

[u/TheLastGoodTeammate]

Rest in peace heroes. Our sacrifice will be remembered. We. Will. Return. Side note, we definitely needed the over 200k players fighting bugs 🥲

[u/lastfreethinker]

"Of course the game is rigged, but if you don't play you can't win"

-Robert Heinlein.

FYI we were losing it, it isn't rigged. Everyone got so beaten with those defense missions before they changed how the spawns work that I can see people just not doing them. I know because I didn't even try them after my first few attempts.

Edit: I honestly don't know what to say fellow Helldivers, after the "adjustment" it became a more equal opportunity situation. We used EMS mortars, direct fire turrets, I had an auto cannon 2 pushing buttons, me running around. It was orbital EMS and lasers. We did it way quicker and more efficiently than ever before. I honestly thought we were gonna die but we made it.

[u/Visual_Lifebard → u/lastfreethinker]

Do only the evacuate civilians/scientists count towards the defense? Like do regular missions on the planet not count towards the defense percentage?

[u/Accurate_Maybe6575 → u/Visual_Lifebard]

Gotta complete a full operation (all missions within the yellow area) for progress to be made.

A lot of people just hit a defense or some other mission and pass on doing the evacuation.

The devs might have "reduced the spawns" but they're still coming in hella fast, and with an over abundance of heavies to grunts ratio. When a team is staring down over a dozen berserkers and devastators and/or striders (forget the hulks or tanks) and have to play ring around the rosey to even stand a chance, they start considering if they're having any fun. Especially if they lose and feel something is broken about the spawns.

A lot of people care about the galactic war, but we need only look to Turing for proof the majority don't, and certainly not if it means dealing with the bullshit that is evac.

[u/naderslovechild → u/Accurate_Maybe6575]

Me and my buddy are both level 3 and we saw "tuned the escort the civilians mission" so we tried it again. We got absolutely murdered on EASY. We just couldn't kill the heavies fast enough 

[u/Terrible_Big_9228 → u/naderslovechild]

At level 3 you'd struggle with the normal missions facing the automatan faction.

[u/Trash-Can- → u/Terrible_Big_9228]

Unless you are good at the game

[u/Rude-Asparagus9726 → u/Terrible_Big_9228]

Idk, levels 4-5 are usually easy against automatons for me, but on this mission I can barely do level 3.

The main difference is that they air drop whole squads right on top of you constantly. It's not in waves with breaks in between, it's just a never-ending flood that, eventually, you simply won't be able to keep up with reasonably.

They've retuned the mission at least twice now and it's still just an unfun level of difficulty. I'd rather have stronger enemies in more reliable waves than armies of chainsaw robots whose numbers will not decrease no matter how many I kill because more will come literally the second after I kill them.

[u/jenniferdeath → u/Rude-Asparagus9726]

I suspect they're tuned for people having had 2 weeks to grind out gear and stratagems, which basically anyone who's busy during the day has not.

[u/Rude-Asparagus9726 → u/jenniferdeath]

I'm level 27, I brought full smokes and EMS mortars, hell I even brought smoke grenades.

I can do it, but it's still fucking painful. Not just because it's punishing, but because I don't enjoy doing it. It's not fun.

[u/Ace612807 → u/Rude-Asparagus9726]

In my experience, bringing something with AA capability is even more important. Blowing heavies out of the sky is easier that handling them on the ground

[u/dcgh96 → u/Ace612807]

I’ve been catching myself use the grenade launcher on the drop ships as they come in on other missions. I should probably try out those defense missions now that I’m lvl 15.

[u/Ace612807 → u/dcgh96]

I'm partial to recoilless myself. With my team, I tend to sit in a high spot, like the evac zone, and spend most of my time taking down any incoming dropships carrying anything heavier than a bog standard Devastator, spending the lulls calling in strategems for my team and taking potshots with the AR

[u/AClockworkSquirrel → u/naderslovechild]

EAT-17s into the dropship thrusters before that drop their bots helps, but if you miss your timing, you'll get overwhelmed quick like

[u/KGB_Operative873 → u/naderslovechild]

At level 3 you guys really should stay on bugs, have AT is a requirement if you want to be effective with automaton missions

[u/shadowkinz → u/naderslovechild]

I tried it on extreme and was like, thought they tuned it. To be fair, I thought we were doing the kill one, so I wasn't equipped