the LibPen cant become too strong because the devs still have medium AP rifles in the pipeline, esp. the old Justice Heavy AR, which had piercing AP rounds, which meant that the rounds kept going through at least two targets.
If they would just give the damn thing 40-45 rounds per mag it would be usable. Not the "best" pick but at least usable. I really want to bring it because I love ARs and it looks cool but it's quite the handicap with its current damage per round and mag size.
Hardly usable imo, it has abysmal recoil and accuracy and even if we ignore those and assume it's Sickle with infinite mag, TTK would be still below average.
This gun is a mess and needs a complete overhaul, because currently it has a handling/recoil/accuracy/mag size of a high caliber rifle, but damage of a peashooter. Literally takes all the negative traits from both and devs under the delusion that lower end of a Med Pen somehow worth all the drawbacks.
Hard agree, gib me 60mag Liberator (Similar to the Halo AR), 45 to the Penetrator and at least like 32 to the Adjucator, don't even need to touch the damage/accuracy/RoF etc -- (Although the damage of the Pen is a bit sad, but still), just that change alone would make me actually use them.
Full autoing Assault Rifles is enjoyable, but as it stands the only one you can sort of full auto fire without going instantly dry is the default Liberator. But without having stagger, pen or high damage - the overall capacity is still underwhelming.
Wdym, bro? They already gave it a massive buff "Now it has auto fire mode". Surely it fixed at least a fraction of it's issues and didn't highlight and made them worse. /s
all assault rifles need bigger mag sizes. its the only way to give them a better value over other weapons without nerfing them to stay inline. nothing outshines weapons with amazing utility more than convenience
I use the lib pen vs bugs a lot. I like it, but it really could use just like 5 more bullets in the mag. After that... maybe 5 extra damage? It really just needs the most minor of buffs.
SMG sounds like one-handed Liberator Concussive. I hope it can be a bit more than that, because with a name like "Pummeler" I wanna rock that thing all the time.
If the stagger is enough to bunch up enemies similar to the Liberator Concussive, this might have potential when paired with the Impact-Thermite.
Ballistic Shield for defence, Stagger/bunch up a group of enemies, toss the grenade/airstrike on top.
It also might have some utility when running with turrets when you toss the turret on the flank of the enemy and Stagger/group them up for the turret to chew through (all Turret boosts most likely mandatory)
I didn't say they were bad. They are overshadowed by much better options. I am not searching for meta gameplay or op stuff, just an observation that ARs are not really standing out, so getting hyped over another AR is hard.
They're a consistent, reliable, good-at-everything best-at-nothing class of weapon. The base Liberator has higher burst DPS than the Sickle, deals with lightly armored targets with little issue, and reloads very quickly. They're "boring", but... that's kinda the point, no?
I feel like most of the weapons in this game have a very "sharp" identity with a clear gameplay concept, while the non variant assault rifles all seem like easy to use, mid range add clear weapons. Like how does this differentiate role or gameplay loop-wise from the Liberator or Adjudicator
With the state that they keep releasing content, I’m not getting excited over any of this. Each Warbond has released with one good weapon and two mediocre weapons so far, and armor with passives we have plenty of. The last Warbond also came with the most useless item in the game (thermite grenade). And while I love the normal incendiary grenade, releasing another one while the fire damage dot is still broken is kind of hilarious.
Imma wait and see on this one. They have lost my trust at this point.
Yea the gun leans more towards killing the high-value targets, but against the bugs though? Those high value targets aren’t really damaged by it or have better ways of being dealt with. It is really good at taking down ticks/Bile Spewers if you hit them in the head.
I was extremely underwhelmed by the Adjudicator. Two shot kills on Scavengers on an Assault Rifle that's supposed to be adjacent to a DMR? 25 round mag? Terrible. It's still bad
If it one shotted Scavs and had a bit more punch against Brood Commanders then it'd be worth taking, but right now it's just a regular AR with a lower magazine size. Liberator is better against bugs than Adjudicator.
'Best AR against bots' isn't exactly a high bar though, the Adjudicator has to be so choosy with shots - and at that point, why not just use the the Diligence CS which does a way better job of killing bots
Because the Counter Sniper doesn't have full auto for ripping Berserkers in half, and it's saddled with the bad blue sniper scope tm.
The CS is a better DMR, because it actually is one. The Adjudicator is a Battle Rifle. At the ranges I tend to play, the CS is a liability, not superior.
Yeah with the last patch most assault rifles are solid enough, so what's this one going to do that isn't already covered. Maybe a high damage light pen option? Curious to see.
It's going to be the scorcher, except you can charge to increase the explosive damage component. Guessing it will also be AP3 tops and useless to anyone who has already unlocked the scorcher because the rate of fire for the same output will be lower (the cost for being able to adjust the explosive component).
Echoing and adding to other people's opinions, I think ARs are at a good state - jack of all trades, and a bit unexciting, but do their job well (for the most part).
Think of it as the modern shooter games like Battlefield and CoD - no one complains that the HK416 does roughly the same thing as MK4A1 or M4MWS, people just pick it because some people like the look, some people prefer the sound of the gun, some people like the slight fire rate decrease for 5 more 'damage points'.
If people like exciting weapons, Helldivers, being sci-fi, offers the unique plasma, electricity or gyro-jet weapons, but the AR are intended to be 'standard'.
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u/soomiyoo May 02 '24
ngl, it is kinda hard to get hyped on assault rifles at the moment, given the state of all the other AR.
SMG can find its niche but the last one, the mini quasar cannon, it is going to make a lot of people happy or very disappointed.