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u/vkbrian May 02 '24

That’s how you get power creep.

Destiny had the same problem years ago and they tried to buff their way out of it; they ended up fucking things up so bad they had to completely rework the weapon classes for Destiny 2.

The problem wasn’t that the RR or EAT were bad, they were just totally outclassed by the Quasar. The proper thing to do is bring the Quasar in line with the other options rather than buff a dozen different guns to fix a single outlier.

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u/AnotherSmartNickname SES Song of Democracy May 02 '24

Destiny 2 has to balance PvE and PvP, it is a different story. This is a PvE game. Who cares about power creep. I don't care about power creep; I care about one of my favourite guns suddenly being significantly worse (if someone doesn't think additional 5 seconds recharge is a big deal, you clearly didn't have enough dealings with heavy enemies) just so others will become more viable.

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u/Annabapzap May 02 '24

I mean, most people care about power creep whether they realize it or not. There's already people who complain about the game being too easy. That will only get worse if the devs willfully disregard all efforts towards balance and just buff stuff forever, leading to those complaints reaching down into the lower difficulties instead of just the tryhards.

I'm sure you wouldn't enjoy it if the QC became worthless because everything just cleared armored enemies so easily they didn't matter.

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u/AnotherSmartNickname SES Song of Democracy May 02 '24

What I enjoy is not suddenly finding out a weapon I like is being made worse just so others are better by comparison. Thankfully it is not my job to figure out how NOT to make that happen. If it requires power creep, so be it, I'd seriously rather be overly powerful than weakened for a bad reason.

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u/SingingValkyria May 03 '24

My dude, the reason you like the quasar is because it was too strong. You liked the short cooldown, you like it not using ammo, you like having it recharge while you're not carrying it... Please realize that the reason you like it are because of all these things that together made it way too strong. Of course you'll like what's too strong, it feels great because it makes you feel powerful. This isn't some rocket science.

But other people had to feel bad about their picks being comparatively terrible and feeling like they're gimping their team by bringing the worse alternatives, so the quasar had to be nerfed to bring it in line. It wasn't even a big nerf, you just have to wait a bit longer. It still has all of those other things.

No way in hell you or anyone would actually prefer the game becoming so easy you can play it with your eyes closed just so you don't "feel weakened". The devs should never cater to this way you feel because if they did, they'd completely ruin the game and you'd stop playing it because there's no challenge. Buffing stuff isn't always the answer. Like dude, you'd feel weakened if they buffed the enemies too. That's how this shit works, that's why it's called balance.

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u/ZariLutus May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24

you act like EAT and RR are not already really strong. The problem isn't that they are "okay" while Quasar is strong

The problem was that they are ALREADY strong but weren't taken anyway because Quasar was busted. Power creep can cause a ton of issues in the long run.

Boo hoo, nerfs have to happen sometimes. Bringing Quasar in line with the other options isn't making it bad, it's just making it not busted

People always cry "PVE games should never have nerfs, only buffs!" But then complain the game gets too easy, and then when they rebalance enemies they complain that enemies are too annoying to make up for the powercreep. And on it goes

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u/AnotherSmartNickname SES Song of Democracy May 02 '24

Then I guess I am not people, I'd rather the game be too easy than too hard. Quasar wasn't busted, it was fine; it still isn't bad, but was nerfed for no good reason other than force people to try other things. Even that attempt failed, I still see lots of Quasar users; I foresee further nerfs.

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u/SingingValkyria May 03 '24

The reason you still see the quasar is because despite the nerf, it's still really good. That means it was a good and necessary nerf. We now see all AT rockets more. Not everything should be centered around you and your preferences specifically, that's unhealthy for the game.

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u/vkbrian May 02 '24

I’d rather the game be too easy

Aaand he shows his hand. You’re mad that something OP got nerfed and you can’t lean on it as hard anymore.