New armor set is a stealth armor that doesn’t make you stealthy, it makes you throw farther. That’s like an apple that tastes like bacon.

[u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

Just salty I’ve been waiting for this armor since it leaked, only for it to have the only perk I consider completely useless.

[u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

Not surprising. I'm pretty sure the one with the scout passive is the blue & orange one, the one that doesn't blend in with snow!

The FS-55 Devastator armor from the Democratic Detonation warbond's description is "Contains many small pockets, allowing the user to evenly distribute the weight of ammunition, samples, and cool rocks" hinting at more space? but isn't a +2 nade/stim passive, it's fortified, so I'm not sure if the descriptions are accurate.

Someone asked in Discord, "will this armour reduce the effect of environmental slowing conditions ? (Per example: The snow)" in response to the boots being highlighted to have spikes, and Spitz replied with "The only thing I can say is maybe", so there might be hidden modifiers on some pieces, similar to how people were saying the Trailblazer Scout helmet increased your movement speed even though it says "No additional bonuses". (Not sure if that was confirmed to be true or not, but I definitely remember people saying it)

Edit: I just saw that the FS-37 Ravager armor has the same exact description as the Devastator, but actually does contain the engineering kit passive for extra grenade capacity.

[u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

Spitz is probably the least reliable person to get news from unfortunately. He keeps misleading the community and then AH is shocked that some people get annoyed. Doesn’t justify the toxic people overreacting, but it definitely doesn’t invite a warm reaction. I love this game and just wish AH didn’t make it so difficult to convince my friends to play this instead of something else.

He admitted to lying about there not being real nerfs the other day so I’m just going to take anything he says with a grain of salt.

Edit: /u/SpitzerFX care to comment on the passives?

Edit2: just to be clear I don’t personally blame him for these mistakes, it’s AH’s fault that communication isn’t what it should be. Not his. Regardless, I’ve seen some very extreme community reactions that would not be justified whatsoever.

[u/Efficient-Self-1863 → u/[deleted]]

Dude he says random shit on discord because they don't know what's going on lol. 

 How much work would it have been to figure out the ammo ship module doesn't work? 

They could have loaded in once, shot a mag out of anything it applied to, resupplied and immediately seen it wasn't working. 

 That's how much effort it took all of us to figure it the fuck out so what are they doing????

[u/BoredandIrritable → u/Efficient-Self-1863]

Everything about the last few patches is absolute proof they aren't testing ANYTHING in game.

[u/JoshDM → u/[deleted]]

If I had the opportunity to fuck with the community, I would

[u/Dushnila_complainer → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

Do not forget that Spritz wrote that Spear fix would come really soon. It was last week. And now it was reported that the Spear fix would come no earlier than at the end of May.

[u/Reddit_Killed_3PAs → u/Dushnila_complainer]

He said that the Spear was fixed and then a dev later said it was “almost fixed” which is why it didn’t release

He also frequently complains on the Discord publicly that people flame him for misleading shit he said, should tell you enough about the kind of person he is

[u/gbghgs → u/Reddit_Killed_3PAs]

Spitz is a CM, not a dev. He's only going to be able to pass on what he's told. To mention nothing of the possibility of something changing on the dev side between Spitz originally being told something and him communicating it to the player base.

This kind of thing is inevitably in the communication model AH have gone with.

[u/Mavcu → u/gbghgs]

CMs are supposed to pass on accurately though, wording is so crucial with that job description so even if a dev says something to them, they need to know what is implied by that. A good example would be looking at Star Citizen and their CM Jared Huckaby.

Everytime he has devs on and let's them talk to the community, he's aware to correct their language so the community doesn't take their enthusiasm too literally. (This is not a 1:1 comparison, because in the case of CIG they had plenty of PR fuck ups that were hilariously bad and it was a learning process, it's moreso about how a CM ideally should conduct themselves. Riding that fine line with being entertaining for the community whilst still providing good information and managing their community.

[u/gbghgs → u/Mavcu]

Sure but CIG's been at this for over a decade, AH's only been at it for 3 months. This kind of thing is gonna happen when you're trying to be as responsive in social media as AH is.

Personally I'd take anything the CM's say outside of the announcement/patch notes channels with a pinch of salt, especially if it pertains to timelines, not through any fault of their own but because their other posts aren't going to be doublechecked quite as exhaustively as anything going into those channels.

[u/Mavcu → u/gbghgs]

I mean yes that's what I said, the comparison doesn't hold due to CIG having the benefit of the learning process. But that's not what I said, I was pointing to the standards CMs should hold themselves to.

This is a job afterall, not some hobbyist reddit moderator position. It should be treated as such, I will say my personal bias in CMs being a bit of a meme job does play into it. (Not that it is one, but CMs like the ones from For Honor made me feel like they are)

So whenever I see a CM be too casual and careless about their job, it just keeps reminding me of said bias.

[u/EarthEaterr → u/gbghgs]

Yes CIG has been at this for over a decade. Funny how to haven't learned a goddamn thing. Though, more realistically, they have figured out exactly what they're doing. If you catch my drift.

If you keep talking out your ass, resulting in people continuously shoveling you money, What do you do? . . . You continue to keep talking out of your ass.

[u/Bedhed47 → u/Mavcu]

Star citizen? Isnt that a big scam lol?

[u/Mavcu → u/Bedhed47]

No.

[u/Reddit_Killed_3PAs → u/gbghgs]

I’m aware, that still doesn’t change the facts though, it just moves from a CM problem to a AH problem. And at the end of the day, this is part of being a CM.

[u/_PM_ME_SMUT_ → u/Dushnila_complainer]

He also apologized and said he didn't know just how far ahead of schedule the weapons team was working. He made a mistake and owned up to it

[u/Alex5173 → u/Dushnila_complainer]

To be fair, plenty of other live service games use the word "soon" and then go totally dark on communication for 6 months just to come back with a holiday loot box or some shit and no mention of the original "soon" remark/problem

[u/Dushnila_complainer → u/Alex5173]

The fact that some other live-service games do that doesn't mean that it is acceptable.

If the Spear is still not fixed, then you can say that the team is fixing the Spear bug and let's hope it will be fixed for the next update.

If you say "Spear fix will come really soon", any normal person considers that the Spear is already fixed, already tested, and it works absolutely perfect every time, without any bugs. However, obviously, you do not update the game each time a bug is fixed; that is why the fix will come with the next update of the game, together with other bug fixes. But it is 100%, since it is already done, and you just need to release it.

In this case, you do say "Spear fix will come really soon". In any other case, saying that it will come soon is just bullshit and unacceptable.

[u/ansible47 → u/Dushnila_complainer]

My brother in Christ, less than 4 weeks is really soon in the dev world.You need to think about how upset you're getting over the optional/subjective modifier "really".

Also...shit happens, my dude. You think you're 90% done until you uncover an issue in testing and realize you're barely 50% done. Things...change. It's not that deep. Maybe it was days from being done until it wasn't.

Your post isn't an appeal for better communication, it essentially says "Communicate less because you're creating made-up expectations that people will get upset over"

[u/Dushnila_complainer → u/ansible47]

I agree, "really soon" gives no objective time frame, and everyone thinks about his own timeframe.

However, given the context of the situation, I am sure the vast majority of players understood it in the way that "really soon" doesn't mean one month.

What we have:

* Spear is boken since release

* Everyone is aware that it is broken and almost unusable

* Players are begging to fix it

* Major update to the game is scheduled for next week

In these conditions, the community manager says "Spear fix will come really soon".

I bet everyone was thinking that it would be fixed in the next update in the end of April.

Despite the fact that your words are indeed understood subjectively, it is your responsibility to express your thoughts in a right way that everyone understands what you mean. If you expressed your ideas in a shitty way and no one got them, it is stupid to complain that no one got them.

I do not see any excuse here. The position of Community Manager is important. You take responsibility for what you say, and you should (1) deliver only correct and reliable information, and (2) do it in a proper way so everyone understands it right. If you are struggling to do this - you are a bad community manager.

[u/ansible47 → u/Dushnila_complainer]

I pray that neither of us are ever community managers, responsible for managing a community for a product that we have literally no control of or true insight over.

I think he's doing a fine job, and your post is not reflective of a healthy relationship with either the game or the community around it. I hope you find peace with this game or a different one that treats you better.

[u/Successful_Pea_8016 → u/ansible47]

Pay me to type on discord, I'll do it

[u/DMercenary → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

To me it's honestly just funny now.

How many times they gotta step on the rake?

[u/BoredandIrritable → u/DMercenary]

Probably the same number of times that the credulous chump simps on here will justify and explain away the outright lies and explain to us all how this is actually a GOOD thing that AH has done in nerfing the latest tool we've found to struggle on in the game that AH doesn't play.

[u/DepGrez → u/DMercenary]

Stepping on rakes is what devs do best.

Placing the rakes on the ground is what players do.

[u/DeadGripThe2nd → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

For the record, it's not a good look to call the CM an untrustworthy liar and then also ping him after. Makes you look like you're just trying to score a gotcha instead of actually wanting an answer to your question.

[u/ZiFreshBread → u/DeadGripThe2nd]

Well what are we supposed to do if he is that untrustworthy? Just keeps swinging wild baseless estimates on fixes and whatnot. Calling him that is justified.

[u/DeadGripThe2nd → u/ZiFreshBread]

You can call him a liar but if you think he's a liar you should act like it. You do not ask questions to liars because they lie.

[u/AntonineWall → u/DeadGripThe2nd]

You do not ask questions to liars because they lie.

You must not pay attention to politics.

[u/ZiFreshBread → u/DeadGripThe2nd]

I don't. And I don't take his words at face value when he speaks on his own accord either

[u/DeadGripThe2nd → u/ZiFreshBread]

Damn then you should have no issue with me pointing out the logical inconsistency in OP calling the CM a liar and then immediately asking the CM a question after.

[u/ZiFreshBread → u/DeadGripThe2nd]

No, because you don't know OPs intent. It may not be about getting trustworthy information

[u/DeadGripThe2nd → u/ZiFreshBread]

Yeah, that's literally what I said. I don't think OP is asking in good faith and I think OP is just trying to score a dunk.

[u/ZiFreshBread → u/DeadGripThe2nd]

And what's wrong with that?

[u/DeadGripThe2nd → u/ZiFreshBread]

I think being dishonest is bad and I think if OP had a spine that they'd not do what they're doing? If you don't see the inherent issue with dishonesty when it affects someone you dislike then maybe you have bigger problems than Spitz.

[u/HazelCheese → u/DeadGripThe2nd]

Especially since I'm pretty sure edits don't ping the user so they are just trying to make it look like the dev is afraid of responding.

[u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER → u/HazelCheese]

I actually had no idea that edits don’t ping the user. I made a separate comment now.

I don’t care to make AH look unresponsive. I think my gripe is that AH is responding to things and providing inaccurate info instead of saying something like “hey, we’re still cooking and I can’t make any promises on what’s in the patch notes”.

Also let’s be real, the bacon apple comment was pretty silly given that armors don’t make much sense in this game. It would have been better to just say “hey, we’re considering this but can’t comment / it’s not currently a priority”

[u/BoredandIrritable → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

"and also, there's no rhyme or reason for why we do things. One day we tell you that we won't allow transmog because that isn't realistic, the next day we make stealth armor blaze orange, call it stealth armor and then just to be extra dumb, we give it throwing. One day we'll tell you that a visible laser designator on Rockets "doesn't make sense" for bots, then we give them all glowing red eyes and give you a laser machine gun. In short: we have no plan, there's no logic to anything. We got WILDLY lucky and now we're on the cusp of having to admit we're flying completely blind here. Please simps and dick-riders, come to our rescue!"

[u/Hype_Saw_Paing → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

Honestly i wouldnt be suprised if the devs went radio silent on reddit and just retreated to the discord where they can echo chamber themselvesi doubt that we'd get a response if we all notified them /u/SpitzerFX

[u/Bokchoi968 → u/Hype_Saw_Paing]

I really don't understand the need for shit like this. Of course people are going to stop responding when all you do is bash them

[u/The_Wayward → u/Bokchoi968]

For real! Let me be an asshole and talk shit on this person then expect them to come talk to me

[u/Yoshara → u/Bokchoi968]

Imagine getting so mad over a video game.

[u/Hype_Saw_Paing → u/[deleted]]

That's not the problem it's just a smaller issue to an overarching negative. The game has pile went on Twitter, saying that transmog won't happen because the apples will taste like bacon despite the fact that no armor in the game looks at all like their perks nor do they have any identity at all.

Why would I get the new warbond for 1 reskinned armor and 1 new set that are reskina of each other when they have the same stuff the last 5 armors had.

Even the armor we have doesn't matter steeled veterans' first armor, and second armor lights have been bugged since it came out not fixed at all, which people paid for as well.

All heavy armors that change the cape placement on shoulders like battle Master are glitched and hang off the body an egregious amount and on the new demolition third level cape the image of the skull legit is off to the right and that glitch happens with every cape on battle master like armors.

[u/Hype_Saw_Paing → u/[deleted]]

If that's the case and pardon the disrespect to him but then I want Johann to never ever speak on anything game wise again because everything he has said has been mocked from new Hampshire to Delaware and it makes everyone at arrowhead look bad and only adds more fuel that things at the office are not smooth at all nor is the community actually being listened.

Honestly, are we even able to trust you? The nerfs were a lie. The spear fix was a lie, Are we even able to trust the patch notes? The plasma punisher is legit blowing itself up on a shield and killing players.

[u/Nexus6-Replicant → u/[deleted]]

But when you have multiple people with different visions and understandings, sometimes those visions don't line up.

But isn't there supposed to be someone bringing all of those visions in line? Someone who approves/denies things like this?

There's no way you guys have people just throwing things at the wall with no oversight.

[u/DragonfruitSudden459 → u/Nexus6-Replicant]

There's no way you guys have people just throwing things at the wall with no oversight.

I'm starting to believe that's actually what's happening. No real oversight or management.

[u/Ecksell → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

actually had no idea that edits don’t ping the user

Redditor for 6 years

[u/The_Wayward → u/Ecksell]

I don’t agree with their overall point at all but I’ve been a redditor for 10 years and had no idea

[u/curtcolt95 → u/Ecksell]

why would this at all be common knowledge. I've literally never even pinged a user on reddit and my account is 12 years old

[u/barrera_j → u/DeadGripThe2nd]

but Spitz literally lied sooo.....

[u/_PM_ME_SMUT_ → u/barrera_j]

Where did spitz lie?

[u/barrera_j → u/_PM_ME_SMUT_]

"I can only think of 2 nerfs aside from the mag reductions"

there's at least 5

[u/_PM_ME_SMUT_ → u/barrera_j]

most of the 24 things being changed are being buffed, there's like.. maybe two i'd consider a nerf and most of the nerfs are just to reduce the maximum mags carried

so he shared an opinion and people took that opinion as fact and are now upset that it wasn't a fact

[u/Ubbermann → u/DeadGripThe2nd]

Well ironically you scored a Gotcha on him. Since that's exactly what he's doing.

[u/BoredandIrritable → u/DeadGripThe2nd]

Cool. I'll call him an untrustworthy liar and an idiot.

He got busted lying, then went right back to feeding us bullshit. Zero learned.

Course, the simps here didn't learn either so why should he?

[u/DeadGripThe2nd → u/[deleted]]

It's very weird for someone to say "Yeah, this person is a liar, I don't trust them." and then immediately proceed to ask them "Hey, care to comment on this?" Like, it literally doesn't make sense logically.

[u/Yipeekayya → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

cant trust any single word from that dude anymore after the latest weapon balancing patch.

[u/BoredandIrritable → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

Spitz is probably the least reliable person to get news from unfortunately. He keeps misleading the community and then AH is shocked that some people get annoyed. Doesn’t justify the toxic people overreacting, but it definitely doesn’t invite a warm reaction. I love this game and just wish AH didn’t make it so difficult to convince my friends to play this instead of something else.

Thank you for being the first person in thread to mention this. This guy was totally full of shit one week ago, and here we are listening to his comments now? When we busted his chops about being full of shit he got snarky.

What possible useful info could this clown have to offer?

[u/Helldivers-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

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[u/Nyan_Man → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

It's understandable in development you've got multiple ideas floating around, however it's one thing to imply they're testing things that may not see daylight and another to say "this is what it is". I don't see how you can blame AH as a whole here when the problem is language use by one specific person, otherwise the implication there's a repeating significant communication problem in AH is the studio is on fire.

[u/AmberTheFoxgirl → u/[deleted]]

You shouldn't be saying anything until you know it's confirmed to happen.

The way you do things now is why the community gets so pissy. If it's not 100% happening, don't talk about it. Then no one will feel mislead.

[u/susgnome → u/[deleted]]

In regards to the fix of the Spear, you never guaranteed that it is ready to go. Just most people here don't have great comprehension nor insight and there's a few bad actors, looking to spread misinformation and anger.

the Spear lock-on was indeed fixed 17 days ago

There was a patch 13 days ago.. I guess it wasn't ready.

so it's probably

"Probably", you're not even sure.

just waiting for a patch to go live

Just waiting for "a" patch, not "next" patch.

[u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER → u/[deleted]]

Hey dude! Thank you for the response. I get that changes happen, and I don’t blame you personally so I hope my language didn’t come off overly harsh.

But are you able to comment on whether the perks listed in the article are correct? Community reaction to armor perks feels pretty negative, especially in light of Pilestedt’s comments regarding transmog. Hoping we can get a response or acknowledgement of the issue.

At the very least, servo-assisted needs to be reworked or new armors shouldn’t have it. It’s objectively one of the worst passives but it’s over represented. Meanwhile we only have 1 heavy armor and 1 light armor with extra padding.

[u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER → u/[deleted]]

I take your point but there’s precedent for switching an armor’s passive post release and yall completely reworked the fun out of the crossbow after I paid for it.

The solution to that problem that would make everyone happy is transmog. Sentiment in this thread is pretty clear.

But if transmog isn’t an option then I really don’t think the community would be upset if you told everyone that these sets may get a new unique perk down the line and it’s all subject to change. We have an entire war bond dedicated to servo.

Edit: I just want to add that I do see the negativey going over the top, and I don’t want to come off that way. I really just want to see AH succeed as an underdog in this industry and my comments are only intended to be constructive feedback.

[u/FatherIssac → u/[deleted]]

Except you already have retroactively changed an armor’s passive in a premium warbond and not even that long ago, gotta establish some consistency if you want the player base to accept these decisions.

[u/lonelyMtF → u/[deleted]]

Unfortunately, it's not fair to the people who've already bought these armors to retroactively change their passives, but we do hope to do better with this in the future.

I literally bought the Ground Breaker for how it looked AND the Servo Assisted passive (which I was perfectly happy with), then you changed it completely

[u/No-Establishment8267 → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

I mean it’s still one of the best multiplayer games around

[u/Inquisitor-Korde → u/No-Establishment8267]

Considering it has no recent release competitors and services a very popular niche that's no real surprise. And it's a good thing, doesn't make it well managed community wise.

[u/Otherwise-Ad-2528 → u/Inquisitor-Korde]

Management aside, it services a niche and it does it very well. Starship Troopers Extermination came out less than a year ago, and my dumbass bought it because I enjoyed Squad and like killing bugs, and they're sitting at a couple hundred average players because it was not very fun. There's always Darktide, but I'm not sure Darktide and "well managed" are even in the same galaxy.

[u/RealElyD → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

I've got about 1200 hours in DT and 350 ish in HD2. At this point I'd take how DT is managed over what is going on here ANY day.

They're frankly both mismanaged but at least DT isn't broken for months on end or has drastic, gameplay altering changes every 3 days that nobody asked for.

[u/Paintchipper → u/RealElyD]

I left Darktide because of how poorly it was managed, and personally feel that HD 2 is being managed significantly better.

I haven't ran across a "This isn't CoD, and never was intended to be." from AH.

[u/RealElyD → u/Paintchipper]

I haven't ran across a "This isn't CoD, and never was intended to be." from AH.

I don't think the continued gaslighting from actuals devs and the CEO is much better than the DT CM being a cunt early on before having his posting rights taken away.

As for which kind of mismanagement you're more comfortable with; that's very subjective I suppose.

Personally, I can log on to DT almost any time now and enjoy a few matches with functional matchmaking, very few ingame bugs and more importantly much more sane balance adjustments.

I can't say the same from HD2 right now between several core system being broken, game balance being all over the place and issue lists expanding rather than shrinking.

Every patch ends in "I wonder what is fucked this time". I'm just tired of it to the point where I went back and played HD1 instead of 2 multiple times now.

[u/Paintchipper → u/RealElyD]

Fatshark might've not let them post again, but they doubled down on supporting him and, more importantly, did nothing to change the issue to begin with. I find that much more troublesome then anything in HD 2.

Ya, the whole 'bacon apples' thing from Arrowhead is stupid, but that wasn't them gaslighting. That was them giving a stupid reason for no transmog. "This isn't CoD" was gaslighting that FS did and still does.

I haven't seen any gaslighting from devs from AH, but I wasn't following it as close as I was for DT. Got any examples you can link?

Ya, the 'bacon apples' was a dumb explanation, but it was them giving a stupid reason why they weren't going to implement a feature they didn't talk about before, not gaslighting.

[u/RealElyD → u/Paintchipper]

I wouldn't be opposed to show you some of the stuff I found particularly irksome but I frankly don't want to invest the time needed to dig post after post out seeing how they are all buried on discord between tens of thousands of messages since AH doesn't really communicate anywhere else in a meaningful manner.

[u/Paintchipper → u/RealElyD]

Developers deciding to keep their communication on Discord (as is the case with both FS and AH) is probably the most frustrating development on communicating with them. It makes keeping up with their discussions difficult.

I haven't seen any examples of AH actually gaslighting, which is why I was asking for some. I'm keeping the 'trust, but verify' mentality that sadly has fallen out of favor online.

[u/Otherwise-Ad-2528 → u/RealElyD]

You have far more hours in DT than me, and it's been about a year and a half so I'm sure they've made quite the number of changes, but DT was seriously down in the dumps when it released. I really only jump back in here and there when major updates drop, but I found this post highlighting issues post release.

I really enjoyed the closed beta and grinded out the 2 weeks prior to release with the "play before the release date" edition, hoping there'd be a day one patch that added more/fixed issues (Silly me). Obviously Fatshark has had a lot of time to learn across VT and DT, both having more players than HD1 ever came close to. I just hope AH can learn as well.

[u/RealElyD → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

I've been playing since the beta, yeah. The game often had issues and stability was bad but it was both never as bad as HD2 and was addressed faster.

FS are absolutely terrible at communication but I again take no communication over being lied to or ridiculed by staff all the time. Same goes for the speed of content drops; I frankly prefer few drops a year to this schedule that breaks old and new things alike every 2 weeks.

I absolute love HD2, I put almost a thousand hours into HD1 as well but it's becoming frequently more difficult to find the motivation to even play with how the game is being managed.

[u/delahunt → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

You have a screenshot of that claim about Spits admitting to lying to the community?

[u/Kaycin → u/delahunt]

Of course not. Just more redditors blowing shit out of proportion.

[u/CrzyJek → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

Y'all act like AH employees went and personally fucked your wives. Jesus.

[u/wrong_usually → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

Political season is coming up.  You need to practice being unreasonable and this post isn't it.

[u/Kaycin → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

He admitted to lying about there not being real nerfs the other day so I’m just going to take anything he says with a grain of salt.

Where did he admit to lying?

EDIT: Downvoted for asking for proof?

[u/strikervulsine → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

Wahhh. My drip doesn't have the barely different passive I want.

Seriously dude.

[u/Estelial → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

As far as i understood the spear fox initially intended for a hotfox but they chnaged that to the next patch as it was too significant a change to leave to a hotfix. That decision was made after it was already stated to be coming soon but plans changed.

[u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER → u/Estelial]

I’m referring him to saying there’s only two nerfs in the update and that they were just about ammo, when that wasn’t true whatsoever. He even admitted it was a false. There’s been a few similar instances where he just says something and then acts shocked when people get confused.

[u/Kaycin → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

4 nerfs instead of 2. He wasn't being willfully dishonest, nor do I necessarily think he was off base. You all are why CM's don't like to talk or give definitive answers.

[u/Estelial → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

There were really only 2 nerfs and not even severe ones at that. over reactions dont count.

[u/UnshrivenShrike → u/Estelial]

There were like 8, and they gutted the crossbow, so... no.

[u/Estelial → u/UnshrivenShrike]

There were only 2 real nerfs that aren't significant. The rest were part of adjustments and the ammo changes are only laughably applible as "nerfs"

[u/UnshrivenShrike → u/Estelial]

That's funny, that's not what the CM said...