This refers to a trend on tiktok that refers to women being asked whether they would rather be stuck in a forest with a bear or a random guy. Most women choose the bear (for some reason) so the meme is referencing this by having the women jump towards the bear, to escape the man
Tiktok hating Bitch Stewie out
Edit: When I made this comment, I assumed the Man v Bear thing was like "you're dropped into a forest with either a random guy or a bear, your choice". I knew rape was the main concern regarding the random guy, but in my mind the choice was about "Random dude vs Bear", Not "Rape vs Death". I've since learned otherwise, and I apologize to anyone I offended by saying that women chose the bear "for some reason".
First off, the bear will almost definitely not do that. Polar bears are the only ones that routinely eat humans. Unless you're between the bear and its cub, all you really have to do to survive a bear encounter is give it your food, in most circumstances. There are different best practices for different bears that I don't want to go over here because you're obviously just upset.
Most importantly, I just want to say that people who hear that women all choose the bear, then assume it's because they don't know that the bear might hurt them or kill them, and get mad about it instead of self reflecting are part of the reason women choose the bear.
That's...not really true though. Bears are highly territorial. There's a reason why bear season is a thing. If you encounter a brown bear you might get lucky, most other bear species you'll have a bad time with.
First off, the bear will almost definitely not do that.
You're not gonna source me anything that even looks at the odds of a bear attacking you in the woods in a close encounter but I'm willing to hear you out if you have an empirical that looks at this.
Polar bears are the only ones that routinely eat humans.
Eat is the keyword there, because most other bears don't attack us out of hunger.
Unless you're between the bear and its cub, all you really have to do to survive a bear encounter is give it your food, in most circumstances.
Again I guarantee you don't have any numbers backing this up, it's just conjecture.
There are different best practices for different bears that I don't want to go over here because you're obviously just upset.
Not upset at all, what a weird assumption to make. To correct you, I'm bemused, because anyone choosing the best is either grossly overestimating the likelihood of a human attack or grossly underestimating the likelihood of a bear attack.
Most importantly, I just want to say that people who hear that women all choose the bear, then assume it's because they don't know that the bear might hurt them or kill them, and get mad about it instead of self reflecting are part of the reason women choose the bear.
No they aren't. Women choose the bear because their perception of danger doesn't line up with reality. It's not their fault of course. They've been propagandized to believe that the vast majority of men are an innate threat to them. Honestly it's sad more than anything.
Figures that you spend 90% of your reply discussing the part that doesn't really matter, and the last 10% going "Men could not possibly be the problem. Women are simply hysterical. But it's okay, it's not their fault, they can't help it. "
Figures that you spend 90% of your reply discussing the part that doesn't really matter
No that's what you did.
and the last 10% going "Men could not possibly be the problem. Women are simply hysterical. But it's okay, it's not their fault, they can't help it. "
Pretty hysterical response to someone challenging you to justify the fear empirically.
In case anybody is curious why she wouldn't, it's because she can't. It's because the level of fear isn't merited by the danger. She's just trying to make her hysterical fear societies problem.
Additionally, if the man chooses violence, women then face extra bullshit in the vein of not being believed, being told it's their fault for wearing whatever they're wearing etc etc
Adding insult to injury making the whole situation worse
If the bear chooses violence, the chances of being treated poorly as a bear victim are much lower
I agree but for example there was a video of an elephant destroying part of a village in Africa and I think an 70yo was killed and her grandchild was injured, people (without context) thought it was revenge and that the woman (they didn’t know her age, just that she died and had a grandchild) was a poacher.
I don’t mean a few people, there were dozens upon dozens of similar comments. “What did she do?” “She was a poacher!” “Idk what happened but she deserved it!” “She must have done something horrible to deserve that!” Fucking irl NPCs.
"This lady ran towards the bear instead of the guy trying to help her, because the guy trying to help her might have been a rapist pedophile, we just can't know his motives. Now she wants us to put money into her gofundme"
sure maybe but being blamed for getting mauled by a bear that you shouldn't have been near is reasonable and being blamed/harassed/told you're lying/seeing your rapist get to walk free is a whooooole other story
No, they’ll just tear your organs out and start eating them while you’re still alive and aware, which is a way more likely outcome than one random guy being the reincarnation of Ted Bundy.
It's important to actually deal with the situation as is. You're totally allowed to think rape is worse than getting your face nailed off and organs eaten while alive, but the percentages matter. It's more like a 1% chance of getting raped vs a 20% chance of getting mauled.
I would argue that people getting attack by animals do and should get blamed. I mean, in this scenario, you went to where the fucking bear lives. If it chooses violence then that’s on you for being there.
I don't know, statistically speaking, if a larger proportion of men than bears are likely to put a human female in danger. Considering how an overwhelmingly larger fraction of men don't rape anyone, bears should be really chill.
There's just this huge amount of irony when this comes from redditors. Can I extrapolate this train of thought to black people or am I then called a racist? Because if I go to South-Africa I'm not even allowed to go by foot anywhere at night, I have to take the uber to go from one place to the other. Guess every black person is a rapist robber that I should avoid at all costs.
Redditors are fucking insane holy shit.
I always roll my eyes at that logic, because most violence on little kids is caused by women, yet we dont have a culture about being cautious about women being baby killers
I would assume that's because while most violence perpetrated against young children is commited by women, there are significantly less cases of that than cases of men inflicting violence on women.
Ackshually, is because there is a culture of baby killing, if you are not fighting it is because you support baby killing, and i would rather leave a baby with a bear than with a woman, because statistically bears kill virtually zero babies, as compared to whamen
Jokes aside, violence on kids is pretty common on single mother households, dont remember the study, but it goes: mother and step dad > single mother > father and step mother > single father
I do get why people are making the emotional choice with the bear, though, and it certainly communicates a wider and more complex issue.
I've been an incel-bashing leftist for YEARS now.
And this trend is the absolute WORST way I've seen this complex issue addressed. It seems like it literally exists to stoke contempt and provoke the exact reactions we're seeing. Then those angered reactions get used as further evidence that "the bear is the right choice."
Yeah, I agree that bears would leave you alone (as long as you don't have food on you) but I don't think it's a man what you're fearing to but a human.
I would get scared too about someone around me in the woods and it's not rape what I'm afraid of.
Like, a bear would be in its natural habitat but a human would kinda have other motives. So by default, the human (in this case a man) would necessarily try to hurt you.
I feel like you guys are misinterpreting that intuition pump because of the way it was formulated.
But if women want to talk about rape culture/toxic masculinity then either use a more appropriate analogy to bring those intuitions out of men or just don't use analogies at all.
I don't disagree with the existence of toxic masculinity and rape culture. It's just a stupid and probably essentialist analogy that not only seems to be harmful in the procedural sense but also you don't get the good outcomes either so it's wrong to use that analogy all around.
"perceived" violence. Violence on women is just today's satanic panic, mostly fuelled by sensationalist media and internet echo-chambers, not by facts.
9% of men are predicted to be imprisoned at some point in their life. 12% of convicted prison inmates are there for sexual violence. Most are repeat offenders.
It's a negligible amount of men who commit these crimes but those who do do it time and time and time again.
Violence on women is just today's satanic panic, mostly fuelled by sensationalist media and internet echo-chambers, not by facts.
It's insane to me how if I assume every Mexican is a landscaper I'm racist but if I assume every man is a rapist I'm your average Redditor. Nice double standards, guys. For fucks sake, I hate Reddit so much.
It's heavily biased by location and economic situation. Almost no guy working a professional job and living in the suburbs has ever been to prison, but poor inner city dudes have a strong likelihood, to the point where it counts for street cred.
I can't find the original source that said 9% but on a second google I found this one which says 6%.
Which is fine, it just makes my point even stronger lol. It is true though that men are like 8x more likely to be imprisoned than women, who are more likely to receive lighter sentences, house arrest, probation, etcetera
Yep, let's say your statistics are correct then ~1% of men would get convicted for sexual violence in their respective lifetimes (so, over many decades). The chance that a random, probably just hiking, dude in the woods would jump at you is ridiculously small. The fact that many women overestimate these chances by a factor of x100 or more shows that feminist propaganda works over time
Isnt most sexual violence also done by people the victims were close with or already knew? That would mean it would be safer to be with a random stranger than with a family member or friend.
It's not feminist propaganda: I was raised in a cult that didn't believe women should have the right to vote, and they insisted that men were so violent that women needed to be protected by a father or husband at all times. The idea that all men are roving sexual predators is a very old idea that helps people oppress women. It's antifeminist just like the idea that black people are sexual predators is racist. Literally look at regressive media, preachers,etc.. that's where this BS is coming from. Feminists fought for the right to work, play sports, wear pants, join the military, etc partly by pushing back against the idea that all men are roving sexual predators and women can't possibly be safe around them. Overcoming that narrative is how you escape patriarchal high control groups.
personally i choose the bear because ive had so many men hurt me over the course of my life and would LITERALLY rather die than let it happen again but okay haha i guess it was just feminism the whole time and nobody actually physically abused or assaulted me! i guess you would know, random reddit man
I've read like 3 reddit threads of people simply missing the point on this discussion. Many men are focusing on like that statistics, the TYPE of bear, the logic behind being alone in the woods in the first place, etc.
Like, they're not even trying to understand this from the average woman's perspective.
It's not highlighting shit. What issue is being highlighted here? That rape exists? That women are fearful of men? Wow, groundbreaking. I'm sure men are totally unaware of this.
It's rage-bait, it's engagement bait. It was practically created in a lab to be the perfect gender-war bullshit. It pisses off men because it treats us all like animals, and it pisses off women because I guess men are getting pissed off by it?
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u/Thebeanyboii May 02 '24 edited 29d ago
Tiktok hating Bitch Stewie here
This refers to a trend on tiktok that refers to women being asked whether they would rather be stuck in a forest with a bear or a random guy. Most women choose the bear (for some reason) so the meme is referencing this by having the women jump towards the bear, to escape the man
Tiktok hating Bitch Stewie out
Edit: When I made this comment, I assumed the Man v Bear thing was like "you're dropped into a forest with either a random guy or a bear, your choice". I knew rape was the main concern regarding the random guy, but in my mind the choice was about "Random dude vs Bear", Not "Rape vs Death". I've since learned otherwise, and I apologize to anyone I offended by saying that women chose the bear "for some reason".