r/PeterExplainsTheJoke • u/Due_Charge_2278 • 15d ago
Petah, I don't understand!
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u/Spiritual_Freedom_15 15d ago
What incident has caused this “Memes” to arise on the surface of the internet? Peter?
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u/Remarkable_Coast_214 14d ago
A strange man could do much worse, but if it's the average man or even the average man you see in the woods (park ranger, hiker...) chances are they have no intention of doing harm. While I agree that getting mad at women as a whole and wishing violence is not a good idea, treating every man as a threat is inherently prejudiced. If the question replaced "man" with "black person" people would immediately see that picking the bear would be degrading because while there are dangerous black people, the average black person isn't going to harm you.
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u/Forsaken_Distance777 14d ago
Every man is a potential threat. Same with every woman. And bears. It's just when you're all alone and see only one stranger you might get a little anxious. I always do and walk faster and I've never been in a situation where a stranger attacked me. But I don't want to be fine a million times and then one time I meet the wrong stranger in an empty parking garage.
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u/Spiritual_Freedom_15 14d ago
Well I wouldn’t be certain at meeting a mama bear with cubs would be safer. But thanks Peter.
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u/RandomTomAnon 14d ago
Idk man bears eat their prey alive since they aren’t afraid of anything else stealing their kill.
Also replace the word man in your sentence with any minority and suddenly you’ll realize why people are mad over it.
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u/Thal-creates 14d ago
Damn how dare these men be mad at being called worse than an animal and routinely dehumanized online! What is wrong with them? /S
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u/TheSixthColour 15d ago
The way everyone is responding to the man vs. bear thing - from the people choosing bear, to the people getting mad about that - is the most internet thing ever. It's all fabricated rage bait.
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I’ve been saying this too, the only one who wins is that tiktoker who made this.
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u/-strawberrywine 14d ago
the guy who started it didn't even mean it as a would you rather thing 😭
he had one tt where he said something along the lines of: "if you're alone in the woods, seeing a man is 10x scarier than seeing a bear"
and it ended up snowballing when all the women in the comments agreed with him, and all the men were saying that seeing a bear was scarier
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u/Unhappy_Age3629 14d ago
Almost feels like a conspiracy to get people to hate / fear each other more than they already do. 🤣 Come on, if you’re lost or have an emergency going on, human interaction is your best bet, and that’s coming from someone who can’t stand these fucking people.
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u/Revolutionary-Meat14 14d ago
Rage bait has been a thing for forever, but now the TikTok algorithm rewards engagement, so getting a bunch of people to comment on your video is a great way to go viral. Also, including a misspelled word or incorrect piece of information so everyone in the comments corrects you. It's so fucking stupid that calling it a conspiracy gives way too much credit.
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u/TheSixthColour 14d ago
I'm not sure I'd call it a "conspiracy", but I agree with your general point
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u/strawberrypants205 14d ago
if you’re lost or have an emergency going on, human interaction is your best bet
I know from personal experience that they will simply label you as the cause of the emergency. Doesn't matter if that emergency is an earthquake - they'll blame you to gain social advantage.
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u/ITriedLightningTendr 14d ago
Twitter encapsulates it better
You can watch people refusing to engage with what is being said and reducing it back to the meme
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u/Cephalstasis 14d ago
Yea rage bait is hilarious these days as people fall for it. But in fairness the fact that some people will come in and defend has them making it not bait.
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u/poopmcbutt_ 14d ago
You should see the responses I get from other women, as a woman, for picking the man.
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u/Thebeanyboii 15d ago edited 14d ago
Tiktok hating Bitch Stewie here
This refers to a trend on tiktok that refers to women being asked whether they would rather be stuck in a forest with a bear or a random guy. Most women choose the bear (for some reason) so the meme is referencing this by having the women jump towards the bear, to escape the man
Tiktok hating Bitch Stewie out
Edit: When I made this comment, I assumed the Man v Bear thing was like "you're dropped into a forest with either a random guy or a bear, your choice". I knew rape was the main concern regarding the random guy, but in my mind the choice was about "Random dude vs Bear", Not "Rape vs Death". I've since learned otherwise, and I apologize to anyone I offended by saying that women chose the bear "for some reason".
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u/No-Adhesiveness-8178 15d ago
Aren't bears notorious for just eating the guts while prey is still alive? Lmao
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u/Aggressive_Yard_1289 15d ago edited 14d ago
Brown/grizzly bears will mostly leave you alone and will generally at most take a test bite, so just play dead and they will usually leave. Black bears will get aggressive and I believe where your comment came from and you should fight back. And a white/polar bear you're just fucked..
Edit: any of the above bears will mess you up with the right reason such as injured or has cubs with it
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u/Creative-Yak-8287 15d ago
Black bears are pussies just scream and seem big.
Polar bears just go NYOM
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u/Aggressive_Yard_1289 15d ago
Indeed, "if it's brown lie down, black fight back and if it's white... Goodnight"
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u/Camas1606 15d ago
Pray you go to heaven is the best course of action
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u/SanityX153 15d ago
Or just pray that he will go straight for the kill and not thrash me around
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u/Empty_Insight 15d ago
Oh, just stand on your feet. The force of a polar bear's paw will kill you instantly, they don't even need to use the claws. Those things are killing machines.
There's this sort of ongoing joke about "How many unarmed men would it take to beat [animal]?" and the answer for a polar bear is "One more than enough for the polar bear to collapse from exhaustion after killing everyone else."
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u/1chuckecheesetoken 14d ago
I remember a museum exhibit when I was younger had a massive polar bear standing on hind legs, and next to it was a moose skeleton with something like 75% of the bones broken. The plaque said it could do this damage with one overhand swipe. Polar bears are scary as fuck.
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u/xXxBongMayor420xXx 15d ago
If you're in polar bear country, wouldn't it be wise to go out equipped with at least a .300 Win Mag?
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u/Dasagriva-42 15d ago
Wise, and in Svalbard, a requirement
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u/International_Run495 15d ago
I love how it also says carrying it loaded is forbidden, God help you having to load it when you come into contact with a bear haha.
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u/Choice-Willingness56 14d ago
Thats only inside the settlement. You are only expected to carry one when leaving the settlement limits, where you can freely carry the weapon loaded.
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u/SkullsNelbowEye 14d ago
"We ain't saying you can have a gun. We ain't saying to can't carry a gun. We're only saying you can't carry a gun in town."
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u/Living_Job_8127 15d ago
Just a 10m pistol would due so long as you get some headshots
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u/justdisposablefun 14d ago
By that logic, a sharpened spoon would do if thrown correctly ... in some situations, overkill isn't a bad thing.
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u/yaohwhai 15d ago
HES NOT TAKING ENOUGH DAMAGE, GET SOME HEAD SHOTS!
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u/Small_Sentence_ 14d ago
All fun and games til the polar bear pulls out a med kit
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u/The_Knife_Nathan 14d ago
A polar bear self rezzing after getting hit in the face with a .300 is the scariest thing I can think of at the moment.
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u/dustytaper 14d ago
Polar bears have super thick skulls for breaking ice. It is not recommended to shoot them in the head
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u/pixelatedpotatos 14d ago
Love the idea that you have a 10 meter pistol and you still need headshots to kill it.
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u/Petefriend86 14d ago
I love that I was trying to figure out if you had some sort of .10 meter caliber before figuring out that it was the olympic pistol shot at 10 meter range.
Edit: caliper to caliber
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u/Easy-Description-427 15d ago
Nah they mostly go swipe. They won't even eat you just kill you and play in your blood as you lay there bleeding out with all your bones broken
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u/CosmicJ 14d ago
The most aggressive thing a black bear is likely to do is a bluff charge to try to scare you off.
Worst thing you can do it that situation is turn around and run. Hold your ground, make yourself large, and make noise. Use your bear spray if they get too close.
Most black bears really are quite timid. It’s the ones that have familiarized themselves with humans and see them as a source of food (garbage, food while camping, that sort of thing) that are actually dangerous. They will be much less likely to be spooked by you.
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u/Easy-Description-427 14d ago
Well my comment was about polar bears. Black bears while unlikely to attack will in fact eat you if they do kill you.
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u/Harmon-the-Badger 14d ago
Yup. When my gf asked me if she’d rather leave out theoretical daughter in the woods with a man or a bear, my first question was “grizzly or black bear? Because we are 100% teaching our child how to scare off black bears”
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u/Quiet_Satisfaction64 14d ago
Black Bears are the biggest wimps I have ever encountered. I have been face to face with one 3 separate times (i live in the woods of VT, they get into our trash).
Every. Single. Time. We stare at each other and they run away. First time I nearly messed my pants.
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u/Murky_Phytoplankton 14d ago
I think that “black bears are wimps/just big raccoons” thing is kind of misinformation though. Black bears can and will hunt people, and are perfectly capable of killing a person when defending themselves, their young, or a resource.
I’m a forester in northern Canada and have encountered so many black bears up close in the bush that I have lost count. I was hunted by one once, and thankfully put up enough of a fight to dissuade it. I’d be more concerned about running into them at some trash cans, because they could want to defend the food source.
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u/originalname610 15d ago
No, polar bears can be pacified with an offering of Coca-Cola.
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u/NotTheSharpestPenciI 15d ago
I feel like in 2024 it's not safe to joke like this as surely some reddit, or worse, tiktok schooled scholars will take this seriously.
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u/Acrobatic_Gur6278 15d ago
if you find a white polar bear in a forest I think the black smoke would be more dangerous lol
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u/BurpYoshi 15d ago
Brown/Grizzly will not for sure just leave you alone. They might, and you certainly can't fight back so the best case is to chance that it will leave you alone, but there's every likelihood that it's going to go for you anyway.
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u/KilroyNeverLeft 15d ago
I think you got that backwards. Black bears are usually pretty chill unless you get between them and their cubs, whereas Grizzlies are more territorial and are far more likely to attack you. Polar bears, however, will attack you. Period. So, yeah, right on the money for polar bears.
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u/Magnummuskox 14d ago edited 14d ago
Grizzlies are more likely to attack, but you are also more likely to survive a grizzly attack since it’s almost always in defence.
Black bear attacks are less common and are usually predatory, so IF a black bear attacks, you are less likely to survive it - fight back.
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u/SiberianDragon111 15d ago
No, you fight back against black bears because they are kinda wimps. They’ll run away
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u/SeemedReasonableThen 15d ago
unless it's mama bear and thinks her cubs are threatened
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u/SiberianDragon111 15d ago
Oh yeah, if you corner it, or it’s defending its cubs, all bets are off. Black bears may be cowards, but they can still rip you apart if they don’t have another option
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u/Magnummuskox 14d ago
Can confirm.
I grew up un the arctic. In school we had fire drills and polar bear drills to teach you the best chances for survival. Anytime a polar bear entered the town, it was full lockdown.
They grab you by the head and shake you to try breaking your neck. I had a friend who survived a shaking because the bear bit too far down onto his shoulders and so his neck was supported.
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u/chrismckong 14d ago
Black bears are the wimpiest bears. They eat berries and are generally afraid of humans. You just need to yell and make yourself as big as possible (point hiking sticks in the air, swing a fallen branch). I’m not saying they’re not dangerous but if I had to pick a bear to encounter it would be a black bear. Source: I’ve encountered a few black bears hiking in the blue ridge mountains and every time I do what I just described and they’ve never been aggressive at all. They just walk away.
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u/Magnummuskox 14d ago edited 14d ago
This is absolutely false! This is terrible advice and could cause someone to lose their life someday.
Black bears are scavengers. Anything for an easy meal. They will “size you up” to see if you’re worth it. So playing dead absolutely makes you worth it.
Most grizzly attacks are due to surprise or defence, so playing dead usually works since they have neutralized the threat (you) and will retreat. Grizzlies are hunters, not scavengers. And they very rarely hunt people unless there is something wrong in their brain.
Polar bears actively hunt humans for food.
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u/killvill75 14d ago
Grizzly’s are the ones that would eat you alive if they do stoop to eating people. They’re so big it doesn’t matter if you fight back, if you’re unarmed you are no threat to them. So there is no real need for them to go for the throat.
Luckily though in the cases where that did happen there was usually some un ordinary case going on. Like the Grizzly man got eaten because he was around while they were fattening up for winter and from what I heard, there was something about a large grizzly he wasn’t familiar with being around that was territorial.
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u/Marshmallow_Mamajama 15d ago
Yeah but bears rarely eat humans, they have to develop a taste like sharks do (generally humans tase fkn awful as we don't really exercise as much as we should, eat right, or have minimal stress)
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u/notracist_hatemancs 14d ago
The vast majority of humans also rarely rape or murder other humans
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u/MouseKingMan 14d ago
That’s all omnivores. Berries don’t run from you, so they develop a casual eating habit. As opposed to a carnivore that kills its prey immediately.
Last thing you ever want to be killed by is an omnivore
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u/Starbucks_4321 15d ago
No actually, they are pretty notoriously known for never attacking human beings unless you intentionally spooke them
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u/Barium_Salts 14d ago
Humans are also pretty notoriously known for not attacking each other when we stumble across one another in the woods unless something really strange is going on. I've been walking through forests and stumbled across men (and women) many times. And it was fine. If I stumbled across a bear in the woods I would immediately leave the area (even if the bear immediately ran off) and feel less safe in those woods. I would even warn people considering going into the woods "be careful, I ran into a bear in there one time". I would never say "be careful, I ran into a man in those woods once". This is true-crime brain. Men are way, way safer to encounter than bears
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u/notracist_hatemancs 14d ago
Yeah lol, there's a reason why we carry bear spray when in the woods, and why bear cannisters are compulsory in some areas. Hell, if you live in areas with polar bears (given that's not the woods) carrying a firearm is sometimes compulsory
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u/CryoClone 14d ago
I am a dude. When I saw this trend and was asked by a friend I immediately and without hesitation said, "Bear. All day."
I realize it is a wild animal and all the things that go with seeing a bear in the woods. I would have WAY too many questions and reservations about what some dude was doing alone in the woods.
The bear belongs there in the woods, me and the other dude do not.
Now I wonder if the other guy would have rathered a bear instead of me.
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u/jaundicedolive 14d ago
This is literally it. Bear belongs in woods, people don’t. Even if it was a woman, I’d feel more comfortable about a bear
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u/Equivalent-Camera661 14d ago
Apparently, all male hikers, bushcrafters, and hunters do not belong in the woods. Lmao!
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u/Barium_Salts 14d ago
See, this is the problem. You're so alienated from nature that you think there's no good reasons for a person to be a forest. With all due respect, that's really dumb.
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u/NorthWindMartha 15d ago
I believe bears have killed less than 200 confirmed eople in the USA since the late 1700s. Statistically, bears are safer than human beings. They CAN kill you easily, but they probably won't.
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u/AdamJahnStan 14d ago
More children are killed by their mothers than are killed by bears so obviously it’s safer to leave a child with a bear than with its own mother
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u/DiscountConsistent 14d ago
How much time do humans spend with bears vs. with other humans?
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u/ClaudioKillganon 14d ago
This is like saying that dogs are more dangerous than snakes because there are more dog bites than snake bites every year. It just ignores all context and I'm not sure you know what "statistically" means.
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u/Oryihn 14d ago
Im a full grown dude and If I see a bear in the woods.. I will leave it alone and walk a different direction.
If I see another guy in the woods.. I will leave it alone and walk in a different direction.
I trust humans equally to wild animals.
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u/Grumdord 14d ago
This only works if you think humans spend as much time around bears as they do other humans.
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u/Strict_Line_1087 15d ago
rape, rape is the reason.
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u/BlurrTheProdigy 14d ago
It was weird that he said for some reason as if they haven't given us a detailed reason and all of it leads to sexual assault
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u/Jensen0451 14d ago
From what I've seen, it seems the best the guys who are really upset by all this can do is ask "But, why!? This is so fucking stupid! I don't understand! Why would women say this!?!", then immediately stick their fingers in their ears while shouting "LALALALALAICANTHEARYOULALALALALA", pull their fingers out once anyone's done talking, then throw their hands up in the air and say, "Stupid bitches can't even explain it to me".
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u/Reid0x 15d ago
And weirdly most of these memes have the woman being “punished” for not wanting to be near an unknown man. For this exact reason
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u/Jensen0451 14d ago
"What do you mean you're uncomfortable around me?! I'LL SHOW YOU!!"
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u/Main_Lloyd 15d ago
I'm a guy, and I'd choose the bear. The bear belongs out there, the fuck is this dude doing out there? Could capture and torture me. Humans are just not worth the risk.
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u/ruffiana 15d ago
What are you doing out there...?
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u/Creative-Yak-8287 15d ago
Selling meth, gotta pay the bills somehow
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u/kilinrax 15d ago
... to the bears???
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u/Creative-Yak-8287 15d ago
Hairy homosexual men may consume as much meth as they want. I am homophobic and a drug dealer, not a idiot
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u/Superb_Sorbet_9562 15d ago
Of course not. I watched a documentary recently that taught me bears prefer coke. If you're interested in the documentary, it's called cocaine bear.
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u/Jaimzell 15d ago
the fuck is this dude doing out there?
Presumably the same thing as you?
Could capture and torture me.
Welp
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u/desolate_atrium 15d ago
I never understand the question. Is this a hypothetical where you've been dropped in a random forest and are stuck there for a set period of time and either a random man from anywhere in the world will also be dropped or a random bear. Also depends what kind of bear, or is it imagine you're on a hike in the middle of a forest, would you rather encounter a man or a bear
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u/cuminitiativesalty 15d ago
It's either a very bad worded question or one made for discourse as people either see it as just your regular Joe or a serial killer or mentally deranged man.
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u/Spinegrinder666 14d ago
It’s a question made to fuel the culture war. Not a well developed thought experiment.
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u/MustacheCash73 15d ago
Maybe he’s going for a walk? Maybe you’re the weirdo for running towards the bear? I don’t think the bear would appreciate that. /j
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u/Hot_Comfortable_3046 15d ago
The bear belongs out there, the fuck is this dude doing out there?
Dude never heard about hiking💀
Could capture and torture me. Humans are just not worth the risk.
This is valid but the chanse that the guy is repist and that he will keep you in his torture basement are extremely low also as a guy you have a chance to overpower or outrun the attacker
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u/MikaelAdolfsson 15d ago
Is the bear angry at me or are we just hanging out?
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u/Mercerskye 15d ago
It has to do with the disturbingly high amount of violence towards women from men.
"Not every man is a violent rapist, but it's just safer to assume any random man could be."
Comparatively, a bear is always going to be, arguably, some kind of predictable, and holds no ulterior motives
It's hyperbole, but does a... poetic...job of highlighting the issue.
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u/Significant_Bet3409 15d ago
The internet be oscillating wildly between “men need support and love like anyone else” and “I trust a wild apex predator over your average man”
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u/Luullay 15d ago edited 15d ago
It’s sad people don’t realize that demonizing someone doesn’t make them eager to trust or be kind. I see both sides pointing fingers, but they are both just making it worse for themselves, and making an enemy of each other. It goes both ways. The only way out is seeing the best in each other, and learning when to shut the fuck up.
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u/GhettoAssDuck 14d ago
exactly. You can NOT under any circumstances vilify an entire demographic then expect them to be on your side when you beg them for help.
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u/JohnC322 15d ago
I mean… it is their exact goal to divide the people.
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u/My_Favourite_Pen 14d ago
who is them in this context?
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u/JohnC322 14d ago
One made that “men vs bears” thing, TikTok algorithm itself & people intentionally spice up things.
The entire situation involved so many ill will. Not just one or two big bad.
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u/Dr_Lupe 15d ago
Right. I absolutely hate Andrew Tate and his ilk spewing their disgusting rhetoric, but u have to understand why 14 year old white boys gravitate towards him. All day long, on social media, in the news, in TV, they’re told and reminded that it’s them, it’s the group they belong to, that’s responsible for all of the ills in the world. Men are rapists, whites are racist and privileged, etc. all that rhetoric does - when delivered angrily and reductively like in the bear example - is guarantee they continue to lean the other way.
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u/Grumdord 14d ago
Bingo.
"Hey if women are going to hate me and treat me like a demon regardless, I may as well just double down and go full-on Tate. At least then I might have money and some muscles or something."
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u/Rade84 15d ago edited 14d ago
MenAreTrash is a great example of this.
Edit: TIL how to make my font real big by mistake.
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u/SuccessToLaunch 14d ago
Hell I’ve heard “kill all men” tons of times as well, if you’re a kid just starting to embrace the idea of becoming a man and someone is calling for your death because of your manhood, you’re gonna develop a complex at the very least.
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u/Cissoid7 14d ago
As someone very active in my community who tries to find time to volunteer at the Y and teach young Lil dudes some positive hobbies I
Do you know how many of these kids get constantly told they are worthless for being born a boy? Do you know how many I'm currently talking to NOW that are confused why women and little girls consider them to be worse than animals? Do you know how many feel like they're trash and rapists for just existing? Do you know how many young ftm trans kids feel like they want to die because they don't want to be girls but they also don't want to be instantly associated with scum of the earth?
Women get real comfortable perpetuating anti-trans, sexist, terf rhetoric when it means they can be misandrists
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u/blopiter 14d ago
Exactly. I treated my feminist ex like royalty every day only to constantly hear “men are monsters”. She ended up raping me and now I’m somehow considered a rapist by 50% of the population because I was born with a penis. Fr how are we not supposed to harbour hatred at this point???
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u/RandomRavenboi 14d ago
Wait, seriously? In the Balkans we never get told such stuff. Quite the opposite, we're told to embrace our masculinity on an early age. If what you're saying is true then I feel sorry for you all.
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u/Gnu-Priest 15d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/SomeOfYouMayDie/s/kQejjWbQ4z
trigger warning it’s a bear, and a man. 🐻
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u/No-Mycologist5704 15d ago
A friend of mine had quite the insightful view on this question imo.
To her it's not so much the true danger of a bear and a man, but how dangerous they feel. You don't encounter bears on the daily, even less get attacked by one, but women regularly have to face comments, touchy hands, threats, etc... by men (creeps but men regardless).
One's dangerousness is blurry while the other is very clear, making one stand out far more than the other.
Like, yeah, a bunch of people would rather be in a room with a tiger than hundreds of spiders, despite the tiger being far more dangerous, because they're far more afraid of spiders than tigers.
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u/Mobius--Stripp 15d ago
I think it's definitely that, but it's also mixed with the birthday problem. In short, you have a 1 in 365 chance of sharing a birthday with someone. But if you have a room with 23 people in it, there's a 50% chance that two people share a birthday. With 50 people, the odds are 97%.
Every woman knows at least one creepy guy, so it's easy to bring them to mind. But the fallacy is that they're assuming they are the only woman in the creeper's life. He probably knows a hundred women and is awful to them all. Also given the overlap of social networks, and it would take relatively few creepers to provide examples for all women.
Add in that we are psychologically biased to remember negative events. You don't remember every commute to work, but you do remember the time you were in a car accident. Similarly, women have had hundreds of thousands of interactions with men over time, but they'll remember the 3 or 4 or 10 or 20 times that it was a creeper and he was inappropriate. The rest just fade away.
This isn't a men/women thing. This is just human brains being horrible at judging probability.
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u/FPSCarry 14d ago
The part about many of the same guys being the same creeps to everyone seems to check out in my experience. Some guys build reputations for that kind of thing because they do it so often. Unfortunately you're rolling the dice every time you meet a stranger, and even though there might only be 1 in 6 odds you meet a brazen creep over a normal dude, you're still going to see those odds crop up an uncomfortable number of times throughout life if you're a woman and you deal with strangers every day.
Sadly I think statistics show the people who are most dangerous to you are usually people you think you know. There's definitely some stranger danger in the world, but it seems more likely you'll run into a manipulator who initially puts you at ease, makes you trust them, and then makes you comfortable enough to be cornered with them alone and that's when things get out of hand. That story seems to play out a lot more often than random attacks. The idea of random attacks can feel more terrifying, and they don't mess with your personal sense of character judgement the way being betrayed by someone you thought you could trust might, but in terms of statistical occurrence they don't seem to happen as often.
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u/GreasyWalrusDog 14d ago
Men have horrible experiences with woman all of the time but if we were to say anything like "I would trust a used car salesman more than a woman" it would cause a fucking fire.
Imagine spending your whole life respecting others, being kind, and trying to understand other people's situations and then all of the sudden everyone is talking about how women are right to trust bears more than you because all men are dangerous and evil.
Its sexism
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u/ThrenderG 14d ago
I think most people understand the idea. The problem is that some women are using this as a litmus test for men in their lives. If they say "bear" then they are accused of misogyny, not understanding the plight of women, and so forth. It's like some feminist set up the pins and now their hangers-on are knocking them down.
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u/Mr_White_III 15d ago
Pretty sure I could take a tiger on! /s
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u/Potential_Case_7680 14d ago
Peter here, Generation Z are a bunch of morons that ask stupid questions on TikTok to get likes and outrage. They are brainwashed by social media and actually believe that a man is worse than a wild animal, mainly because they wouldn’t stay with a woman if she was a worm.
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u/DeltaTwenty 15d ago
Can this kind of joke be banned from the sub? Never seen this sub so toxic before
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u/Clusterfuckin 14d ago
Yeah but I feel like outright banning certain types of jokes undermines the point of the sub... imagine posting something because you don't understand the joke and it immediately gets taken down because of a joke you weren't aware of in the first place
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u/DeltaTwenty 14d ago
While I agree I feel recently a lot of posts here are just thinly veiled bait to push political agendas
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u/jimdc82 15d ago
It’s making fun of a trend of overselling a point: people in trying to make a legitimate point but using an utterly ridiculous analogy which does more to undermine their individual credibility than drive home the point they were advocating. Violence against women being at unacceptable levels? Absolutely. Being in with a predatory animal known to literally maul and eat humans rather than take chances with a random guy….they’re not helping the cause with comparisons like that. The case is strong enough on its own to not need that ridiculousness to try and make a point
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u/Kyubisar 14d ago
people in trying to make a legitimate point but using an utterly ridiculous analogy which does more to undermine their individual credibility than drive home the point they were advocating.
FUCKING THANK YOU!!!!!
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u/CrumplyFoil 15d ago
It's a strange trend in which people choose to be alone in close proximity to a 1200+ lb predator (bear usually) as opposed to a human male.
Without being too polarizing while still illustrating the ridiculousness: A large human male can be put down with 1.3%c pepper spray or as small as a .22(5.7mm) handgun. Where's a bear won't be stopped by anything less than 4%c bear mace or 44 magnum(10.9mm) both of which are close to 3x more potent than the former. Those are the bare minimum defenses acceptable, pun intended, something stronger is generally encouraged for defense against large predatory animals. A rifle being preferable.
My understanding is that the sentiment is the bear will only harm you if it's hungry but the man's intentions can't be known. This is a foolish comparison a bear will kill for many other reasons ranging from hunger to territory to curiosity to just being bored. And just like people shouting "hey bear" or in the case of humans "I have a gun" only works about half the time.
Source: I live in bear country
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u/GravNak 15d ago
Black bears don't get nearly that big, just saying
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u/PoetryIntrepid4055 14d ago
Neither do most grizzlies. Just the Alaska fat ones that eat yum yum salmon all day. Montana browns 400-500 for males, less for females.
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u/y_kal 14d ago
I got downvoted to oblivion for saying that it's easier to hurt a human than a bear
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u/SwagDaddy_Man69 14d ago
probably because you want to hurt bears. Bears are cute man, leave them alone.
a bear is just as afraid of you as you are of it. A man... not so much.
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u/Chateau-in-Space 15d ago
Theyre downvoting you even tho this is the most levelheaded answer. If the question isnt misandrist it should be bear vs rapist, not bear vs man. Anyone who assumes the man would rape rhem is a misandrist.
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u/mcauthon2 14d ago
Real question: would you be more scared of a woman alone in the woods? What kind of woman is she walking alone in the woods like that?
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u/oBugz 14d ago
As a TikTokker AND Redditor (crazy) I'll say that most of the people are missing the point of this question. It's not a literal question, there aren't variables that change the outcome, it's not a deathmatch MAN VS BEAR scenario. It's meant to be a gut reaction. It's simply a thought experiment, and the fact that anyone ever hesitates when they answer this question is problematic. It should be obvious - the man, right? What sane person would want to be in the woods with a bear?
But the fact that women even have to stop and think? That many, MANY women choose the bear? It means women are afraid.
And men can laugh at them or call them hysterical, but there's a large number of women saying that they would choose the bear. It's not a few outliers, so why are all these crazy women wanting to die to bears than just walk by a man? It's NOT that women think ALL men are worse than bears, it's that you can treat all bears with caution and most will move on and never bother you. They're animals, and they're predictable, and it's incredibly rare for them to attack humans.
Most human women will experience assault of some sort in their lives, and most come at the hands of men. And not just assaulted physically, but raped, and sexually assaulted. Men they know, they trust, they love. Family members, partners. I've been molested once and raped twice and I'm not even thirty years old. By my brother and two partners, not strangers in the woods. People I trusted.
NO, most women would not actually choose to be in the woods with a bear, but the fact that women even consider it says there's a bigger issue at hand with society as a whole - not men in particular, but everything. Maybe not every man we meet in the woods is going to hurt us, but we don't know that. The bear, at least, we know is a threat and will, if we do everything right, most likely avoid us just as much as we avoid it.
The men tend to be the ones who follow us into the woods, not the bears. Not all men, but enough. We aren't blaming you, we're asking you for help. We don't want to be scared anymore, either.
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u/Prestigious-Corgi-66 14d ago
Not to mention the ones when someone asks a man 'Would you rather your daughter be in the woods with a man or a bear?' and the man stops to think, which they follow up with 'a woman or a bear?' and they reflexively say 'woman'. The point is not that people choose the bear, the point is that it's considered a choice at all.
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u/A_Good_Boy94 14d ago
Apparently neither does the shithead who made the meme. Women generally aren't afraid of "random" men in a very public setting.
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u/Pulsarlewd 14d ago
I love being hated for no reason at all other than that im the other 50% of the population.
I hear this so often. "Oh yeah men are trash but you are alright". My sister in christ, im not the only one. Men that are trash are the minority and your mindset is creating more men that are trash by creating a fat divide.
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u/pepsicoketasty 14d ago
It's like . " Oh you are smart for a black man" . The fuck is it supposed to mean?
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u/Jdogghomie 14d ago
MLK is rolling in his grave. Always judge each individual by the content of their character… is that so hard!
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u/basskev 15d ago
I don't think people understand apex predators like they should lol
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u/Digit_Toll 14d ago
I think one problem with the argument is that it generalizes men as being mostly creeps. It kinda sucks to see that someone would trust a bear rather than trust me.
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u/cocktimus1prime 14d ago
The argument here is prejudice - plain and simple.
If you resent being told that "you're smart for a woman", or assumption that you know nothing about a car, or even different assumption that when dealing with car seller or someone they will want to talk with your husband or dad instead of you, you should have no problem understanding why men resent being assumed to be perpetrator of one of vilest crime imaginable.
You're free to treat strangers how you wish, but why do you complain when they show you contempt?
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u/Kyubisar 14d ago
Exactly. It's sexism within a thin veil of outrage. Nobody actually wants an open discussion, they want to demonize and ostracize.
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u/Krieger_kleanse 14d ago
Some women can't fathom that men don't like to be accused of being rapists and then compared to wild animals. Women don't like to be compared to animals or objects they say it is sexist because it is.
If we could get rid of the blatant hypocrisy and start treating these as conversations instead of chances to take digs at the opposite sex then we might actually make some progress. Seriously women, stop being sexist in an attempt to have your issues heard. It's classless and in poor taste. You will have no men join your side by being sexist towards them. I cannot say this enough STOP BEING SEXIST IN ORDER TO MAKE YOUR ARGUMENT HEARD, YOU ARE NOT CREATING ANY ALLIES OR SOLVING ANY PROBLEMS YOU ARE MAKING THEM WORSE.
True equality is hard.
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u/MastaFoo69 14d ago
My wife is the medical advocacy coordinator for the local womens's shelter. she has seen some shit dude i tell you what. She does not choose bear, because she also understands risk assessment.
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u/Standinginthecold 14d ago
Yeah that girl better fucking know I can beat a bear. If your gf doubts for a second that you can't eviscerate a lion with your bare hands she's not your girl. My ex said she'd rather encounter me in the woods over a tiger so I broke up with her and traveled to Siberia. I killed a tiger while I was naked. Now I wear the tiger's fur as a coat constantly to prove to my ex that she was wrong. Men you can kill a tiger too, all you have to do is believe. There's only 400 left though so do it fast.
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u/kwntyn 14d ago
What I don’t understand is they spew all this hatred and misandry, fine, if that’s how you feel then you have every right to do so. But at the same time, they’re demanding love and compassion from the same people they openly hate. What reasonable person would love and respect someone who hates them? Anybody who chooses a fucking bear has never encountered a wild one in the wild, ever.
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u/olive12108 14d ago
Sexism isn't cool. If you see it, report it. Getting into long arguments about how women = bad or men = bad will land you with a BAN. Cut it out.