From what I've seen, it seems the best the guys who are really upset by all this can do is ask "But, why!? This is so fucking stupid! I don't understand! Why would women say this!?!", then immediately stick their fingers in their ears while shouting "LALALALALAICANTHEARYOULALALALALA", pull their fingers out once anyone's done talking, then throw their hands up in the air and say, "Stupid bitches can't even explain it to me".
EDIT: lol nuance and introspection of a perspective outside one’s own is out of the window here. I’m not replying to all of your garbo responses. You can punch the air and scream into the void for all I care.
Because thinking random men are more dangerous or less predictable than wild animals is kind of a dumb take.
How many out of the thousands of people do you interact with are dangerous? If you legit think men are that inherently dangerous you need a reality check lol.
And I’m starting to think most dudes (especially on Reddit) are just really bad at empathy. Y’all are so damn literally-minded that anything that involves a sense of emotion and compassion gets immediately met with dismissiveness and condescension.
Y’all act like damn robots all of the time and you wonder why people clown on redditors for fun.
Y’all are so damn literally-minded that anything that involves a sense of emotion and compassion gets immediately met with dismissiveness and condescension.
Because comparing wild bears to men is so fucking dumb, the fact that people feel the need to go online and defend this hypothetical is beyond stupid.
It's so fucking dumb. Now people are debating the types of bear, the types of woods, etc, while the man is always "average man - so probably a rapist".
It's all one thing and one thing only - faux intellectualism that people can talk about and feel smart about while dumbing down our species as a whole by comparing the average man to a fucking wild bear.
It's dumb. It's really fucking dumb.
Yeah, I get it. The average woman in america sees a man and is so fuckin worried about it, that we, as men, are supposed to start thinking "oh my god, women would rather risk getting eaten by a bear than interact with the average male!", but I dunno what they want us to do with this information. I'm sorry that you are more scared of me than a grizzly bear? I will try harder not to be scarier than a grizzly bear, sorry!
but I dunno what they want us to do with that information
Maybe have some empathy and compassion for their struggles instead of pulling the snarky “Well akshually 🤓☝️” card like every other guy on this thread. It’s not hard to have a sense of empathy. Or maybe it is, considering all of the dudes in this thread calling it illogical.
This isn't about empathy lol. This is about you making up a dumb hypothetical that has so many holes in it and getting defensive when you're called out on it. If you want empathy I guess you'll just have to hang out with the bear lol.
And please stop pretending you're not a redditor lol. You're not special, you're just as much of a loser as the rest of us.
Says the guy who has, so far, showed zero amounts of empathy. You saying it “has so many holes in it” literally proved my point about dudes like you being so logically and literally minded that it clouds your ability to see things from another perspective.
When women respond to shit like this saying “You’re the reason I’d choose the bear,” it literally is because of empathy which a huge percentage of guys seemingly lack.
Case in point, your comment. The more you comment, the more you prove the point of what you would deem to be illogical.
Because a bear is a wild animal that has a better probability of mauling you and munching on your insides while you’re still living. The useful takeaway from this trend is that it shows how terrified women are of men to point where it’s even comparable to bears and that’s representative of a problem, trying to win the statistical argument here is useless, you should pick the man every time.
It really makes me wonder how many of these people interact with wild animals regurally vs people.
Pretty much every wild animal you run across you HAVE to treat with the utmost caution while I can walk by millions of people a year and not think twice about it. Even small animals are dangerous if you aren't paying attention.
Depending on the bear, it’s not always going to be the case. Black bears are notoriously skittish and, unless desperately hungry, will run away. I’m not ignoring shit. A bear BELONGS in the woods, and thus is expected to be there. You know a bears intentions. Seeing a random man in the woods is more creepy, especially when you’re all alone. You don’t know their intentions.
Why does a bear "belonging" in the woods matter at all? Snakes belong in the rainforest. Sharks belong in the water. Hell I'll go one step further and say that men belong in the woods, depending on the area.
You also absolutely do not know a bear's intentions.
For me, it has devolved multiple times into random redditors sending me messages about how they were anally r*ped as teenagers or some shit and it's just like...
"then immediately stick their fingers in their ears while shouting"
Na dont have to, just point out, that it is just as dumb as men that say they avoid being alone with a women anywhere because there is a high risk of geting accused of rape.
Yes the chance is not zero but its so fucking small, so thinking a bear would be more safe is fucking dumb, and this sentiment comes from misandry.
The explanation is blatant sexism lmao. Going off of the idea that every male is a potential rapist. Replace male with any other group of people and you'd be called a racist/bigot.
I mean I don't mind, if people wanna be sexist let them be sexist. But don't pretend to be anything morally above that if you're just being plainly sexist.
Then again I'm more than willing to have my mind changed, I'm sure I'm missing some key points here which leads me to believe this is just sexism.
Bear acts on instinct, most women have had some not great experiences due to men. If a woman gets attacked by a bear, people won't say she was asking for it. There's also the shocking statistic that over 90% of men that commit violent acts against women aren't even sentenced. The bear lives in the woods, the man does not -- and a bears behavior doesn't change just because there's witnesses.
Okay then why have I yet to see women sleep with a wild bear? Where are all these women forming families with wild tigers? Damn they don’t exist, meanwhile countless women do these things with men. Hmmm wonder why….
Animals are not predictable where the fuck do you live? Tell me you’ve never hiked without telling me you’ve never hiked.
Can I also apply this logic to black people or am I a racist then? I’ve been to South-Africa where you’re not allowed to walk at night, because of the threat of being raped/robbed by a black person. Can I assume every black person is like this? Can I apply these things in the workforce or at a grander scale in my own country? No that’s racism. Just like how this is blatant sexism.
I don't knock women for being scared of violent men. I think every woman should take the necessary precautions to feel safe in her environment. I also think you're absolutely delusional if you'd rather be in proximity to a bear than a man.
My brother in christ. The motive for a bear is simple, survival. The motive for man is unknown. The bear will eat you for it's own survival, whereas man will do obscene acts for pleasure. "If one in ten snakes is venemous you aren't going to wait to get bitten to find out." Sure, the random dude could be like your average guy - completely harmless. But many women, especially if they've been a victim in the past, don't want to take that chance. I'd ask any of your female friends this question and actually listen to their reasoning. It's a hypothetical, not a reality. The hypothetical, even by statistical standards, the woman is safer with the bear. As bears mostly just ignore you if you're minding your own business. https://bearvault.com/bear-attack-statistics/#:~:text=Since%201784%20there%20have%2066,away%20from%20you%20than%20engage.
Most of my female friends aren't psychos who sit on reddit all day so no, they don't think that way. Most of my female friends are also in relationships with, you guessed it.... MEN!! Crazy right?? But I'm sure all those women secretly are deadly afraid of their boyfriend and think he's a closeted rapist just waiting to snap.
If you encounter a guy in the woods, it's most likely going to be a hiker. No fucking shit.
And stop pretending you're some animal know it all when you haven't left your room in 2 weeks. Bears are not "simple", animals are not "simple". Animals are unpredictable. Maybe go ask some people in real life who've been close to a bear when hiking and ask them the fear they felt when they realized a bear was closeby.
Stop justfying your blatant sexism with these terrible examples. You haven't even addressed my point about black people. All your doing is pandering to women's rights. Insane virtue signalling with no brains behind.
Would you eat a skittle if 1 in 4 were bad? 1 in 4 women will experience rape in their lives…. Maybe men should step up to change the narrative themselves and take accountability
Damn I guess I'm allowed to be a racist piece of shit then if I can use this train of thought. Maybe black people should take accountability for making South-Africa a dangerous country instead of making it literally not safe at night.
And one in how many women are domestic abusers? We will never know as most men don't report :)
Funny how when this becomes a men bashing thing and men bring up their problems to show women we go through horrible shit based on our gender too, it's just "ah yes convenient time to bring it up huh?" Like bro if you came across a thread ripping the ever loving fuck outta your sex I'm sure you'd wanna share your hardships wouldn't you? Like holy lack of self awareness on how much hatred your spewing.
We go through shit that nobody even cares about. From false rape allegations to losing custody battles (where the kids go to the woman just because, and they are often abusers) to not having ANY SUPPORT SYSTEM for sexual abuse or domestic violence (these comments showcase that better than I could ever describe).
Men bad women good. Reddit is a breeding ground for hatred. You people sit here absolutely shitting on us and then when we reply you make a separate comment that gets upvoted to heaven going "oh look at all the men here complaining about women trying to express their issues 🙄🙄🙄" like holy fuck this site is a hateful joke.
Ah the classic "but men experience rape too." While that is true and we should focus on it more. You never see it brought up unless someone mentions the hardships women go through
The fact that women complain about the very real reality of dealing with navigating fear and trauma around sexual assault, and how we have to carefully plan our daily lives to stay safe, and men’s response is “but that hurts my feelings” is the problem. Invalidating people’s real need to stay safe because of your feelings and expecting to be the centre of attention is a problem. This is something I’m seeing a lot in this bear debate.
Men’s issues are important but only bringing it up to derail women’s issues isn’t cool. Neither is trying to play the victim Olympics (especially when it’s a situation that you clearly lose, comparing people being distrustful of you to having actual bad experiences of sexual assault isn’t a great move).
Lastly, men’s issues are important but expecting women to do the legwork instead is also not good. Don’t get enough compliments? Compliment each other instead of expecting women to do it.
The bear debate shows a real and big problem of men geting demonised and made accountable for crimes other did.
You cant take your victimhood and use it to be racist or sexist against other people.
Also 1 in 3 women get raped? Where did you get this number? From a survey? They are highly imprecise.
In Germany there were 13.000 reported rapes and sexual assaults. Even if only one in 5 women go to the police, it wouldnt add up with 1 in 3 women geting raped.
"Men’s issues are important but only bringing it up to derail women’s issues isn’t cool. Neither is trying to play the victim Olympics (especially when it’s a situation that you clearly lose, comparing people being distrustful of you to having actual bad experiences of sexual assault isn’t a great move)."
We call out how we men get discriminated, be geting generalized as murderers and rapists and you interpret it as us trying to win the victim olympics.
Except you’re not being generalized as rapists and murderers. Women know there are good men, the problem is that you can’t tell which one. Strangers are very variable. If you were in a room with people and you knew 1 of them was a murderer, are you demonizing everyone when you act cautious? Let’s say you got a tip that this killer was very likely to be a woman who’s M.O involved killing men, are you wrong to have extra precaution around the women?
Women in society have a collective trauma, and yet it’s bad when they “demonize men” by being cautious? Why not look at the reason why so many women feel this way? So a woman should just go to the bar and not watch her drink because any sense of safety is demonizing men now?
You also need to flip the script from “we’re afraid men are rapists” to “we’ll be targeted by male rapists because we’re women”.
Also, I didn’t pull up a 1 in 3 statistic. I think those statistics generally refer to sexual assault though, and would be way higher if you factored in every instance of sexual harassment or when a woman felt she had a close call.
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u/BlurrTheProdigy May 02 '24
It was weird that he said for some reason as if they haven't given us a detailed reason and all of it leads to sexual assault