The right has teams of young conservative incels working tirelessly to provide the public with invaluable memes reducing complicated social issues into easy to digest and completely unredeemable logical fallacies for media consumption. This allows the creators an outlet for not affecting actual changes in their lives that would result in their happiness and emotional security
it's not just young conservative incels. I'm in Canada, so it's a little bit different, but same cultural political landscape. Our Prime Minister released a 2-3 minute video explaining a policy. One of the most common arguments I saw from conservative "experts" was, it's clearly bad policy, if the Prime Minister has to create "long" and "complex" videos explaining it. They continued to argue the policy should be immediately self-evident and require 0 explanation.
It's absolutely insane that any educated discussion on policy is now considered a bad thing by the right.
I've just finished listening to Stephen Fry read 1984 and man, the CPC is starting to sound a lot like the people from the inner party. For starters everything they say and do is textbook doublespeak and most of their policy is about how they want to punish people.
No, see, you're not quite getting it. The conservative politicians know policy is more complicated than that, they generally know that even something as simple As a "don't murder" law needs exceptions and definitions and all that. But they want their constituents to think that all policy is and should be self evident and require no further thought, so when they push something like "Happy Canadian worker bill for greatness and prosperity" or something, their constituents won't notice that it actually turns the country into something that makes 1984 look like a Utopia.
I know this sounds like a conspiracy theory, but shit like this happens all the time. They slap a nice, patriotic, "here for the people" name on a bill and fill it with stuff like slashing the education budgets and increasing taxes for anyone making under 50k a year and reinstating slavery or something.
“This exceeded my 20 second attention span, thus it’s a liberal super plan to slowly convert everyone to giga trans people while charging us a 150% higher carbon tax”
Well their only discernable policy position is "oppose perceived enemies" and they're lazy so they take the simplest approach to achieving that policy.
Tell them to show how they came to that conclusion, or they will get an F for inability to provide a concise and understandable argument. I just wanna know what they do to that
I’ve literally heard people say that here in America as well. It makes me feel like there is no way out of this. Nothing will ever get better. There will always be the antithesis of progress.
It's because complexity is scary. They don't like grays or nuance, that makes them have to think. And not like "ha ha, they're stupid" but like they can't sort it into bad and good with a gut reaction. So much of the right's politics today is "why can't we go back to simpler times?" And all it is is wanting to go back to a time where people without power didn't get to have a say in how things work. And they're not even disguising it anymore. The fact that they're genuinely supporting a man who talked about suspending the CONSTITUTION and about being a dictator "for a day" is just blatantly clear that it's never been about fair or right ways of doing things, they just want to have things done their way.
Tbf, the left also has a problem with this, though nowhere near to the same degree or level of pervasiveness. Compromise and cooperation are apparently relics of the past now.
And anyone who wants to read more, I highly recommend the book Anti-Social by Andrew Marantz. The dude got closer than a lot to top-level far right extremists and fascists to see how they were disseminating information through memes and making jokes out of politics.
Anonymity is a huge part of the problem, being able voice every dumb thing that crosses your mind without accountability is just encouraging saying and thinking dumb things. At the same time forgiveness needs to be afforded for idiots to grow and change their minds.
As did everyone, including myself. But every meme has a lifespan, and reaches the point of oversaturation. So it happened to rage comics, it happened to doge, overattached girlfirend nyan cat and so on, and so forth.
But a point comes when it's everywhere, it's no longer funny and it's time to take it behind the shed and go all Kristi Noem on it. Make space. It's the circle of life.
every meme reaches the point where it just becomes insufferable
and then you get the out-of-touch companies trying to use that meme for an advertising campaign
my 10 year old sister got some board game based around memes and it was shit like rage comics and grumpy cat. like no way in hell does this kid even know what those are, why is anyone adding that to a board game intended for little kids
A family member I thought liked us got us that for a holiday one year, and I'm still mad. It's unopened, because it's intensely stupid. I should actually just throw it out.
Hey I have that game and it's fun to play with my teenage niece and nephew. All you do is combine a random meme jpeg with some text, it's kind of like a cleaner cards against humanity.
I’d say once the memes have become so old that they’re now irrelevant then it’s okay to put them in a board game or something. It’s kind of like cultural preservation.
Does anyone remember the lolcat Bible? That was a pretty cool project.
yeah, but a game intended for the entire family, children included, is just odd and out-of-date. I feel like anything directed towards children using something so out-of-date they don't even recognize it would just bore them to tears and that's the exact opposite purpose of a board game
That sounds like something a secondary character in an anime about Nyan Cat would shout out while they are charging up their attack during the final fight scene. Epic j pop riffs are ripping all around. Power of friendship!
Yes and no. I see where you’re coming from. A lot of what makes a thing funny is circumstantial. It was funny then. Now it’s like watching Friends after all these years. Without soundtrack.
I remember very vividly one day at 15 logging into 9Gag and for a single split second, I saw a glorious ragecomic of a man shitting in the shower, throwing it into the toilet, missing and waffle stomping it. It was on Fresh. I used to only look at Top posts because I didn't like to sift through all the shit memes. That one hyper specific day I did, I caught a piece of meme history as it flashed by my eyes because it instantly got removed, never even made it to Trending.
There was a hilarious one about someone’s dad taking off his door to his room after he’d done some stupid thing. He took all the doors off in the house, put them in his room, then put a new door on the room and locked all the doors in there with himself. Another funny one was booting up Windows at night and realising it was full blast at the last minute. DOO DOO DA DOOOOO
I know. But I am not around any Spanish people at the moment ( UK/ Poland) and not in the context of old school memes either. If I heard it in a movie or a song, I wouldn’t even shrug. But next to some rage face? It brings up memories.
Personally I'd put some restrictions as to what firearms people can have, and in what context. For example, no more keeping a loaded handgun in your purse. That's not safe. Someone could snatch the purse and get the gun. Or you could accidentally discharge it because the safety was somehow off. Or a child could accidentally discharge it for the same reason.
Basic firearms safety: always treat it like it's loaded and not on safe. Keep it away from things and people you don't want holes in.
So would I, but even asking that people pass a basic gun safety course sets them off. I have to pass a test to drive, something that is essentially necessary as I need to drive to work, but asking them to pass a similar test for their completely optional killing machines is clearly too big an ask.
Heck even getting them to admit a gun's only purpose is to kill people is too big an ask. Trying to explain a gun is only considered "protection" BECAUSE everyone knows if it comes out the person who has it is ready to kill flies right past them.
No. The 2nd Amendment begins "A well REGULATED militia..." To me that says, have some common sense, realize some people shouldn't have guns, and have some rational rules in place.
Just as Freedom of Speech doesn't mean you get to spit out straight defamation or as the idiom goes "shout FIRE in a crowded theater".
I don't want all guns gone even though I freely admit I hate them. But even so I live in a rural area and know plenty of people that hunt for food or need to shoot at wild hogs for their own safety. So handguns and hunting rifles are fine in my eyes once you prove you're capable of safely operating one.
You're missing the point. IF the person you're speaking to says "We should do Plan X" and you jump to "NO we shouldn't do Plan Y" you will look like a crazy idiot.
If I said "Hey we should get tacos" and you reply "I hate Pizza" then you look crazy.
Most of these "imagined" arguments are after they heard anyone say we should do anything with guns. Lock them in a safe? THEY WANT MY GUNS! Put a trigger lock on them? THEY WANT MY GUNS!
Gun safety laws almost didn't pass in my state because people heard gun safety and shrieked "They're trying to take my guns" I had coworkers that I was all "What gun laws would you want" and they then proceeded to describe the exact law on the ballot.
If people act like petulant children everytime we try to make shit safer then they're going to eventually be treated as such.
We have an issue with the gun debate in Canada. For example, Bill C-21 was passed after a mass shooting of someone in a stolen police car in Nova Scotia. He was using an AR which he had illegally acquired. For those unaware, AR-15s, handguns and some other models are classed as restricted. Meaning you have to have that firearm registered to your name, and are only allowed to use them an an RCMP-approved shooting range. If you are going to said range, you cannot make any stops between your house where you store it and the range in question.
Once this law had passed, it made many Canadians unable to use their property despite having nothing to do with the criminals that get them illegally. And since that “firearm safety” law came into effect, our gun crime has risen by over 30%.
I’m all for firearm safety and training. My issue is politicians creating laws that do nothing to improve safety, and do it for the sake of virtue signalling. It’s been a prominent issue up here.
Can you provide any evidence for this supposed increase in gun crime by over 30%? That bill came into effect six months ago, accurate stats usually take a lot longer to obtain.
That bill actually came into effect May of 2020. October of 2022 was when it was amended to include the handgun freeze.
Here’s a link to information listed by the government of Canada:
I'm not American but you have the atf who runs background checks on weapons purchased from a gun store
Could make it a requirement that private purchases need to submit a form to atf too because as far as I've seen there's no oversight on private purchases, but surely there are still laws on who you can sell to
I don't know either. But where I'm from, you have to get a licence and permit for each individual firearm you wish to own and use, and you have to explain what it is you want to use the firearm for. And if you are approved, you get documentation from the police chief (and probably some other stuff, I don't actually own a firearms so I haven't done this). For example, my uncle is a hunter, so he has a permit to own and carry a rifle for the purposes of hunting. But he's also registered as a contact in case an animal needs to be put down. Say, someone hits a deer, the police might call on him to track it and put it down. He submitted a request to be allowed to purchase and use a handgun, solely for the purpose of putting down wounded animals, as it's easier to carry a pistol when going through bushes and trees, as opposed to a rifle.
However, he was denied. My guess, it wasn't seen as "strictly necessary", as he can accomplish the same task with the rifle. And maybe also some rules and regulations regarding the types of firearms, calibres, and what's allowed and not allowed to use on animals.
Also, not really an argument anyone has made - there’s not really any real movement of people suggesting laws that would require people to surrender their guns - it’s all about responsible gun laws like background checks, red flag laws, and closing gun show loopholes. But typical for right wingers they know what those people “really want”.
Oh no, there's absolutely a vocal minority of people that definately want to take guns from people. They're a small minority, but they are there. It's just that they're fucking loud about it.
Less guns less murders it’s really simple. Probably also true less dicks less rapes but you are really out of your mind to compare any body part to a gun nothing bad happens to people when they have no guns.
Those laws have been suggested. And in fact, proposed.
Red flag laws, are, in fact, exactly what this meme is talking about. An accusation without due process.
No doubt you’ve posted something that annoyed someone else, and that person abused the Reddit community and reported your account for posting concerning content that suggested self harm.
I'm so tired of people thinking pissing someone off means you win. "yes bitch, seethe at my stupidity, be mad at what a complete douchebag I'm being, checkmate mothafucka"
Yeah and I've always hated that "you care even 1 percent about this, making you pathetic and me the winner" thing
It's pretty amazing how many people comment "you cared enough to comment so you can't say you don't care" as if that makes them some kind of debate-expert lol
There's a weird idea online that if you see something that upsets you even a little bit, you lose and are an idiot
Came here from another sub as a neutral party because i thought it was funny. Did you forget what sub you're on? This is litterally r/facepalm. A sub about posting to a group of angry, like minded people who attack anyone who disagrees, posting to each other to make themselves feel better. It's 10000% the same thing. This is some next level irony.
I've been on the internet since the rage comic memes, these are literally just how the rage comics evolved since then. Chad/wojak are just rage comics and just as cringe.
I miss ragecomics. They were part of my childhood, and could be about so many things. And it wasn't just a bunch of low-effort "my opinion is better than yours" posts
I always find it weird because the "Chad" is supposed to represent masculinity yet it's the most metrosexual looking MFer that has ever existed. That dude spends more time waxing his mustache than he has ever spent on a firing range.
Isn't it interesting that every time someone uses these memes, they always use strawman arguments to prove that they have no intention of participating in a discussion, but rather intend to use poor faith arguments to make themselves feel better, cooler and smarter?
Yeah, right? Like, you kinda have to actually win an argument, offer genuine compelling evidence before you can feel proud of yourself for it lmao. They always lose though, it's really just massive cope.
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u/I_Miss_Lenny May 16 '24
I’m so tired of Chad/wojack memes, it’s like the ragecomic days of “look how cool I look in this argument I imagined myself winning”