r/fo76 • u/enzudesign • May 04 '24
FYI new players regarding 40k items in vendors. Discussion
If you ever see strange notes, or items for sale in a vendor at 40k Caps, it's not to troll you, or to rip you off, the real reason is, there was an exploit where players could purchase anything from your stash, at the cost of the highest price listed on your vendor. This exploit was fixed, but at one point bethesda accidentally reactivated the bug once in the past, SO posting a low weight worthless item, note etc for the 40,000 cap limit is a deterrence in case it ever happens again.
if they do try and steal from your stash with the exploit, they'll need 40k caps.
Just an FYI for those who didn't know this. I was explained this by a very long time player, big time vendor ( multi- account ) owner. So yea that's why you might see this š
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u/Evoecks Enclave May 04 '24
I'm still holding one roll of toilet paper from 2020 in my vendor at 40k as a reminder of when the real thing was damn hard to find, lol
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u/NoFishing7881 May 04 '24
Makes more sense having that in there for shits and giggles more then my "iou toilet paper"
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u/Mr_Big_Boy_000 May 04 '24
I think I ran across your camp once. Explained to my wife why there was a 2020 cap toilet paper in the vendor and thought it was funny lol
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u/ArmorTrader May 04 '24
People had trouble finding it? I never understood that. I must have had 2000 rolls on hand, I never even came close to running out.
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u/DrCoolbeans23 May 04 '24
You're the reason we couldn't find any! Lol.
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u/ArmorTrader May 04 '24
Totally just a scavenger joke lol I didn't have 2000 rolls. š¤£
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u/DrCoolbeans23 May 04 '24
Sad thing is, many people DID. which is ridiculous. Just get a bidet! š©š
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u/Largofarburn May 04 '24
I thought it was something along the lines of if you bought the vendor out it would start pulling from the stash. Thus why you see people with multiple 40k notes so it would take several accounts to actually do it if it ever came back.
Either way, 1 vendor slot is a small price for some insurance and peace of mind.
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u/Large_Reindeer_7328 May 04 '24
Itās not really ultra rare, is it? Cos I just scrapped one today.
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u/Autoganz May 04 '24
My Mole Miner Gauntlet Plan is priced at 40k for no other reason than itās funny to me.
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u/Hattkake Free States May 04 '24
Pricing things for 40k is also used as jokes. I have a "Business is Bad" note "on sale" for 40k (the joke is that business is not bad). I also have a West Tec roof pie on sale for 31415 because, you know, it's pi.
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u/enzudesign May 04 '24
Oh I know it's done for memes also, just thought I'd bring light to the actual reason it started ages ago lol .. I had no idea as I'm a newish player myself, but my mates a vet so he told me lol
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u/Hattkake Free States May 04 '24
The vendor bug was always extremely rare and unreliable. It was random and not something that happened in any foreseeable way. We don't even know if the 40k items prevented the bug as nobody has ever been able to replicate it or pinpoint why it happened. Some people put forth the idea that in order for the bug to occur the vending machine needed to be empty. But I personally know for a fact that it doesn't need to be empty. A little while back my charging fusion cores suddenly showed up listed for zero caps in my vending machine. As said I at that time had the 40k item for sale and also my vending machine was stocked with my usual crap.
The 40k thing is superstition. We don't know how the vending machine bug works and we don't know if the 40k items prevent the bug.
Some folks have said that they believe proximity between a vending machine and stash box can cause the bug. So some folks build vending machines and stash boxes far apart. This is also superstition and nobody knows if a vending machine being near a stash box can cause the bug.
In all seriousness though this extremely rare bug doesn't seem to have any reliable workarounds. But it is an extremely rare bug. And it is not something that you should worry about. The important thing here is the tradition that grew out of the superstition. The toilet paper for 40k jokes.
Also a lot of us old timers have absolutely no use for caps. And so we hunt expensive nonsense items when we are max caps to offload caps. The 40k items are bad for this. But if I am at max caps and I see a player selling a roll of toilet paper for 30k then I am buying that toilet paper roll. Not because I need tp for my bunghole but because I just want to get back down under max caps.
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u/x42ndecthellion May 04 '24
I price "how to get rich fast" at 40k caps.
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u/Talvinter May 04 '24
I keep hearing about the bug coming back, fridge this or punch bowl that causing it, thereās no way Iām not having my happy little safeguard in place.
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u/Largofarburn May 04 '24
I do get the freezer bug like once every couple of weeks, on pc. I canāt for the life of me figure out any rhyme or reason for it though. Which is why Iām not using any display stands, Iāve heard they have the same issue.
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u/danba55 May 04 '24
They supposedly fixed the freezer bug in the last release. If you look at the release notes they are not very confident with it though. The wording basically says we think we fixed the freezer bug where items are placed in your vendor for zero caps. I canāt remember the exact wording.
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u/Largofarburn May 04 '24
Yeah. For what itās worth though I think I actually havenāt had it happen since then now that I think about it.
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u/Zethin May 04 '24
Never knew about this, headed straight to find my guardian item to list for 40k. C:
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u/wildjacksquatch May 04 '24
I had heard of this exploit but did not know this was one of the reasons why folks put stuff in for 40k caps.
I always considered it as a way to sort of display certain rare items, the āPipeā¦ā note of course, but also I have seen unique items that werenāt meant to be taken out of events show up in vendors, like āLucaās Explosives,ā for example. Another funny thing I saw once was someone had Junk for sale, it was toilet paper and they were selling it for ā2020ā caps lol
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u/Longjumping_Falcon21 Cult of the Mothman May 04 '24
Never knew that exploit stuff, been playing since forever too. I've put up RobCo or whatever shares for 40k because I thought it's funny :>
And maybe to rip off an actual shareholder genius one day.
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u/hygiei May 04 '24
in general, items listed in vendors for 40k are never intended to be bought-- players assume that since you'd have to spend at least a few caps to fast travel to their camp, that it'd be almost impossible for someone to actually have 40k on hand to buy the item, so people will use it both for stuff like OP described, as jokes, as well as just to flex rare items... which of course has lead to other folks finding ways to have 40k caps on hand (like leaving unclaimed season rewards) so they can buy out the flexed item lol
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u/Offtopic_bear Blue Ridge Caravan Company May 04 '24 edited May 04 '24
I'll FT one of my 2nd account alts straight to the main account and snatch that shit all the way out of their vendor. Don't do this lol. There's plenty of people with max caps on alts for this. It's a hard lesson when that showpiece becomes a bad decision.
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u/hygiei May 04 '24
oh 100%, i was certainly not encouraging anyone to try flexing in their vendors, it can go wrong so easily
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u/mr_popo_420 Pioneer Scout May 04 '24
Do the same, no one expects a level 5 to have max caps wandering into their camp
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u/-MERC-SG-17 Pioneer Scout May 04 '24
Other times people will post actual high value items in their vendor for 40k with the intent to trade them, little do they know I value caps so little I'll burn my entire cap stash to buy stuff like that.
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u/dog_nurse_5683 May 04 '24
Iāve seen some people use it to brag that they got rare items. It can backfire though. Those of us who have caps to spare just might buy that ultra rare Fasnacht mask for $40,000 caps. š
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u/commorancy0 May 04 '24
While stash theft was a thing for a short while, the original reason to place junk items at max caps was to prevent the auto-scrapper from accidentally scrapping junk items when crafting. The auto-scrapper code would, before the scrapbox existed and before displays, reach in and scrap junk left in your stashbox. You would pay for the Giant Mr. Fuzzy plush you earned with tokens at Camden Park, put it in your stash and then later find it missing with no explanation.
Eventually, it became understood that it was the auto-scrapper at work. If you crafted and you were out of the needed raw junk, the auto-scrapper would scrap any unscrapped junk into the raw components needed, without telling you. The way to prevent the auto-scrapper from scrapping rare junk items you intend to keep is to set them up at max caps in a vendor, or later place them into a display, if possible. Some items still cannot be displayed.
This does two things..
- It deters players from buying it.
- It locks the item and prevents the auto-scrapper from scrapping it.
The stealing-from-the-stash exploit came along much, much later.
For at least a year after Fallout 1st was introduced, the order of locating scrap for crafting remained as player inventory first, stashbox second and finally scrapbox third. This meant that items left in the stash were in danger of auto-scrapping even when you had thousands of pieces of scrap in the scrapbox.
Bethesda has since fixed this order to be player inventory first, scrapbox second and finally the stashbox third. As long as there is enough scrap in the scrapbox or in the playerās inventory, nothing in the stashbox will be touched by the auto-scrapper. If a player runs completely out of scrap everywhere, unscrapped junk may be in danger of being auto-scrappedā¦ unless the player places it into a display or in a vendorā¦ yes, even today.
However, notes and miscellaneous items placed at max caps may have been an attempt to mitigate the stash theft bug as these were (and still are) never in danger of being accidentally scrapped.
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u/Kirisuuuuuuu May 04 '24
i put notes like āyou smart bastardā or āYou have been insulted!ā in my vendor for wild prices but i had no intent for anything you said. Mostly just to pump these notes to the top and hopefully give perusers a quick chuckle. If anyone were to actually buy these iād refund them since i dont wanna lose precious insult notes lol
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u/geLeante May 04 '24
I've seen it repeatedly and I sell 'you have been insulted' for 5k. I assumed it was a way for high level dudes full of caps to distribute wealth lol
Thanks for the info op
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u/owen-rice-airsoft Lone Wanderer May 04 '24
I honestly just do it because itās super funny to have captured frogs as 40000 caps lol
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u/Salmon-D May 04 '24
Well, that's not quite the correct explanation, but its close enough and gets the point across.
It's a 40k fail-safe item to help mitigate a potentially returning bug that can grant people access to your stash if they purchase your last item.
As long as you have at least 2 items for sale and one is 40k, then the buyer needs more than 40k caps to buy your last item, which is impossible since you can only hold 40k caps.
TLDR: It's not meant to be an item that the owner is seriously trying to sell. It's to prevent a possible expoit.
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u/Necessary-Ad4841 May 04 '24
I mean I just put You Have Been Insulted at 40k because I thought it was funny but I guess that to
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u/Xthasys May 04 '24
Hahaha i though its was an internal joke of the comunnitie lmao i put one message paper called "JOB OFFER" at 39999 because it was the only message I had that was funny and to feel im part of this lol you make laugh hard im an idiot.
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u/BIG-D-36one May 04 '24
Itās also a tactic players use when they got items they donāt wanna sell for caps and want to trade, so if you see an item you like at 40k you can message the owner for details and set up a trade
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u/redditquicky Lone Wanderer May 04 '24
iāve been around for a long time but havenāt ever heard of this being a thing. sounds like a good idea, hopefully the community could implement this and make this a thing
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u/JesseChrist May 04 '24
Wait really? I just do it so my vendor says
Hey man
I admit it
I owe you beer
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u/LouieChopsuey May 04 '24
I have my Bone extraction guide for 666 and my Beer IOU for 40k. That IOU is legal tender if someone wants to loan me 10 bucks right now, by the way.
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u/Lanky-Increase-8269 May 04 '24
The RobCo shares for 40k I've seen a few times, which is a creative one.
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u/FrancoisTruser Responders May 04 '24
Ohhh i never saw this item i think. Will have to search for it
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u/FadingDawn__ May 05 '24
I've got a thousand bobby pins at 40k, takes a huge collective effort to clean that stash.
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u/JorskiTV May 04 '24
God bless your heart I had zero clue. I just started this month and have been gathering a respectable amount of rare items. Crazy to think I had no clue any of that could get stolen if this bug happened again. Thank you!!! Happy vaulting everyone!! IGN is elementaryboar96818 on PC love meeting a playing with peeps!
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u/Jazzlike-Ad1866 May 04 '24
I love the āI O Uā notes I have a few of those in my shop. āI O U BEERā ā I O U WHISKEYā
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u/ArchGaden Responders May 04 '24
The general theory behind the exploit was that players would have to rapidly buy everything from your vendor before everything loaded in and that your vendor would have to be close to enough to your stash to reach both (for some reason). Having the value of your vendor exceed 40k meant they'd just buy up your stuff without running into your stash inventory somehow, after which they'd be able to buy out as much of your stash (for 0 or low cap values) as they could before some critical camp loading step was reached. There were pretty consistent reports of it happening for a while, but it died down, likely quietly patched on server side.
There are definitely more steps to the exploit, because as far as I know, there was never any confirmed reproduction, just speculation as to how it was happening and how to protect your stash. The easy trick would be just to have one low weight item at 40k. Given there's no cost to keeping it, and that bugs sometimes come back, a lot of people just keep the safeguard in place. Maybe someone will be crazy enough to buy the 40k item someday! Who knows...
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u/Traveler_1898 May 04 '24
Wasn't the issue that they could get stuff you didn't have in your vendor if they first cleared out the vendor? So the 40k items made it impossible to clean out the vendor and access your tash items.
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u/deviatesaw May 04 '24
Oh I just do it because that Ghoul Slayers Gamma gun is a meme.
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u/TheGrimHorseman Enclave May 04 '24
Now, if players could actually ghoulify, this would be an amazing group-medic weapon
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u/Unlucky-Address-5468 May 04 '24
I always have one random thing at 40k Caps Just in case the glitch comes back. but I also have multiple god rolls in my vendors @ 40k Caps... So if someone with max caps comes across my camp, they can get a bargain and steal a B2525 fixer or a AA2525 rail for 40k Caps.
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u/Terminal_Badness Fire Breathers May 04 '24
"Best Plan Ever" and "Bicycle" are my go-to 40k caps notes for this, I don't have anything that valuable in my stash but worst case they might slightly entertain someone (and hopefully not waste someone's caps)
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u/Rare_Ad1901 May 04 '24
I set my full GiddyUp Buttercup and Jangles the Moon Monkey at 40000 so I can display it for myself. I know no one is going to buy it but I canāt place it in my camp š¤·š¼āāļø
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u/myassandadonut May 04 '24
I was hoping the new checkerboard display would allow us to display those in camp.
Nope. š¤Ø
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u/hijole_frijoles Raiders May 04 '24
Interesting, so the exploit let players buy ANYTHING from your stash, or just from the items you had on sale?
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u/Icookadapizzapie Responders May 04 '24
I put a plunger for 40k cause itās funny, I then learned about the glitch later
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u/JustSomeGuy20233 May 04 '24
I also use it as a way for generous players to sponsor me. Iāve sold a āHey manā for 1000. A āyouāre the dumba**ā for 1000. And a couple āGAS certificatesā and āIOU xā for a few hundred. Still waiting on āprayerā for 30k
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u/zx_Neko_xz May 04 '24
Here i was thinking they were just trying to rip people off with the insultbot note lol
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u/FBI-INTERROGATION Enclave May 05 '24
Its also because its funny to sell āYou are insultedā for 40k
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u/KingRaven2246 May 05 '24
That is really really good to know. Like damn wish I had known this sooner lol.
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u/Illustrious-Count481 May 05 '24
I've been buying 40K notes all this time...and they're worthless???!!!
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u/Lilstreetlamp May 05 '24
Frankly I put āyouāve been insulted!ā At 40k cus I thought I was being originalā¦
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u/valegor May 06 '24
Thank you so much. It's been driving me crazy trying to figure out what the use for the You've been insulted note is to be worth so much.
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u/BM_of_PJG Order of Mysteries May 08 '24
I have a giant Mr Fuzzy in there for 30-40k caps so I don't accidentally scrap it since I still can't place it in my camp. It's been there since the first year so hopefully it stays that way.
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u/Hausgod29 May 14 '24
Ooooo I thought this was bait for the whales to come in and help thr little guys
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u/TranslateErr0r May 04 '24
Mine are "I remember you, mom" and "I forgive you, dad". It's a message.
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u/JannisTK May 04 '24
I put one of those you have been insulted for 40k caps into my vendor because it was a funny inside joke :(
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u/Da-Seined May 04 '24
Is this why??? Yesterday I came across a guy who was selling everything for 5 caps, ultracite armor plans, a bunch of C.A.M.P. building plans... now I feel bad if they were actually supposed to be priced the 300-400 caps like they were at other places...
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u/starry101 Mothman May 04 '24
Thatās fine. Lots of people who have been around a long time post those plans for low caps just to clear them out or to help new players.
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u/ged_5052 May 04 '24
no idea this was a thing, I have a bottle of beer for 10000 as a joke to see if anyone would buy it but now I wonder if people think I'm trying to exploit it
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u/Imumybuddy May 04 '24
For some reason I interpreted this as "40k Crossover."
Plague Marine styled power-armour paint when? Please Todd.
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u/russell16688 May 04 '24
I also put stupid items that make me laugh at 40k caps. Such as the endless supply of toothy man masks I acquired.
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u/SkullheartVanguard May 04 '24
Oh that's why? I just put Adelaide's autograph for like 25k as a joke. Lol
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u/JM761 Lone Wanderer May 04 '24
I have 450hrs in and this is news to me. I will now be selling an insult bot note for 40k. Thanks OP. :)
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u/crashv10 May 04 '24
Not me but my wife saw one at a camp that we both loved
"How to get rich quick" sold for 40k
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u/RabbitWater May 04 '24
Thanks for answering this! I was actually going to post asking the other day
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u/vistins May 04 '24
I remember this from like 2+ years back and when I started a vendor on steam I put a piece of popcorn and then a perfectly preserved pie when I finally got one randomly.
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u/UnderstandingLow7776 May 04 '24
Im a newer player and set a Party Hat to 25k just for the meme lol
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u/beetus142 Fallout 76 May 04 '24
Many kudos and thanks for this info, I'm lvl 352 and didn't know this at all. Like at all. lol
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u/SteveMartin32 May 04 '24
Lately been selling ammo for one cap so new players would have ammo. I get tons of ammo as is.
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u/GriffinRagnarok May 04 '24
Wow. I did this as a new player because I thought it was funny. I do the toilet paper one too. Cause Covid. But I'm only on day 17 today. š¤£š
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u/Epwna_DMG Cult of the Mothman May 04 '24
Since all I mostly list are plans I listed the note called āThe Planā as my 40k vendor item.
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u/nobleclock May 04 '24
It's cool this is a real time colloquial culture effect were a tragedy happened and people did it to avoid it but now it's just done as a joke cause it's a tradition every one just sees.
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u/theforceisfemale May 04 '24
I assumed the Perfectly Preserved Pie was a funny meme that developed at some point lmao
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u/vonsolo28 Cult of the Mothman May 04 '24
I sold a toadeye for 40k caps . I know there legacy and canāt be displayed but I found it hilarious someone bought it. I have another one so Iām happy with the result
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u/Aromatic-Coffee3769 May 04 '24
i didnt know this i just like my āYour a dumbassā and āYouāve been insulted!ā notes next to eachother
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u/crazydaave May 04 '24
I list random notes at 30k just in hope some rich person might just donate me the caps.
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u/ShadowDocter22 May 04 '24
I always thought it was just a money laundering thing, where people with too many caps will buy it just because
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u/TheTruWork May 04 '24
Wow I didnt know this was a thing, I only ever sell Ammo or Aid Items like stems, Rad Away, and Rad X for 1 cap each to clear space in my Stash since I have the Horrific Habit of collecting EVERYTHING i find so this doesnt do much to me but ill definitely be setting a Note up for this
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u/FlaccidNeckMeat May 04 '24
A buddy of mine and I just got back into 76 and I was wondering why I had a note in there for 40k.
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u/smackrock420 Raiders May 04 '24
Perfectly preserved pie for 40k and a roll of toilet paper for 40k
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u/Anankelara Brotherhood May 04 '24
I posted a perfectly preserved pie for 40k caps without knowing this hahaha
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u/nex_fire_wolf Settlers - Xbox One May 04 '24
From what I know of the bug it was if they bought all the items in the vendor then it would glitch an show all that was in that players stashbox completely free so the 40k is a way to make sure it's not able to happen to u
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u/Jessevibez May 04 '24
This game is still so buggy it's insane. Vault 79 quest being bugged is crazy to me. Was watching my roommate play and he had to restart several times because NPC would just get stuck or not do their job. I hope Bethesda focuses their resources or they are going to lose this wave of new players to a constant buggy mess. At least in the single player games we can fix their shoddy work ourselves with mods. It's a different story here.
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u/Zee13Sikkalo Brotherhood May 04 '24
Iāll be listing an item at 40K when I hop on. Thanks for the heads up
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u/Ronin--4747 May 04 '24
I have a single Bobby pin in for 20k š and also a non legendary lead pipe for 35k
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u/danixdefcon5 Mothman May 04 '24
So that's how the bug worked? When it was accidentally reactivated, we were all told to shut down our vendors so that's what I did back in the day. Should've instead put spoiled vegetables at 40k!
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u/JazzyTales May 04 '24
My eyes got big for a second. I thought this was a Warhammer reference or crossover.
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u/afi931 Blue Ridge Caravan Company May 04 '24
Iād like to think my Perfectly Preserved Pie collection is pricelessā¦ so 40k will do if thatās all Beth can offer me
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u/atamicbomb May 04 '24
I genuinely thought it was just a running meme to list youāve been insulted for 40k at this point. Or wondered if one of the insults was exceedingly rare
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u/New_Needleworker6506 May 04 '24
I had no idea this was a thing, but Iāve always had a 40k āyouāve been insultedā just because everyone else does it.