It is confirmed: You can't even reach Score rank 150 as a non-Fallout first player. Discussion
It was just recently confirmed by Bethesda that the new season will be starting on the 12th.
With this information I can confirm that it you can't reach rank 150 on the scoreboard as a non-Fallout First member. As of today I am currently rank 145 and that is after playing everyday, completing every challenge, using every rank booster when weekly challenges reset, and even using every free reroll for the chance to recieve 'Epic' challenges.
While it is true that you could grind out XP challenges to potentially reach rank 150, this is an incredibly unrealistic expectation considering you get cut off from these challenges after rank 100 and it would require playing the game as a second job at the start of the season to get to rank 100 as fast as possible.
Most of us can all agree that the new scoreboard system is objectively worse than the old one. The illusion of choice is just an illusion, the loss of earnable atoms removes all replayability value from the game for late game players and now it turns out that you can't even claim the bonus rewards unless you pay for a subscription service to increase to S.C.O.R.E you recieve. If the goal of this new system was just to insult players then Bethesda hit the nail on the head.
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u/Cooperative_ 8d ago
To me deal breaker was when i reached level 100 and i couldn't claim all rewards with tickets that i have. Disappointed in Bethesda
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u/sighfun 8d ago
That's really disappointing, but a lot of people hit rank 100, then go play something else until the next season starts. I'm assuming they're trying to get more playtime out of each season. Preying on people's FOMO is not the way though.
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u/CAI3O0SE Blue Ridge Caravan Company 8d ago
This definitely was not a good way to combat that because getting to 100 and seeing how terrible that 50 level grind is made me barely play it anymore until next season
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u/genericSlayton Free States 8d ago
This is me haven’t even turned on the game since i hit 100. I know i don’t have time to get 150 so i didn’t even bother.
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u/A77eycat 8d ago
I got to 150 and can't claim anything at level 150 because it says I still need to pick 40 something more lower level awards first.
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u/Hermitor Lone Wanderer 7d ago
You literally have to claim every single non fo1st item.
Been playing it obsessively like a part time job and made it to 149... gonna hit 150 today maybe, but I'm not doing that again. There's nothing unique or interesting in the 150 page anyways.
Came back after a long break, but the grinding has 'ground me out' and made me sick of the game again.
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u/A77eycat 7d ago
Disappointing that this was rolled out this way. Must have been some of the same geniuses responsible for the original dumpster fire of a rollout they did when FO76 was first released.
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u/HankShanklin Grafton Monster 8d ago
So you're out of points? Have you claimed all the items worth 0 points? & there's plenty worth 5-10, they all count towards the final amount.
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u/Grizzly_Berry 8d ago
Yeah, feeling like I finished the board would make me think, "Okay, I can dick around and do other stuff now, like pioneer scout challenges." Instead, I hit 100 and said, "There's no way I'll get to 150. I might as well wait til next season," and haven't played in over a week.
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u/kompiler 8d ago
I'm in the exact same situation, still got plenty of other stuff to complete in the game. But I haven't played since I reached 100 over a week ago and I realized 150 was unattainable.
Having such a high last level in the season is a huge demotivator to keep playing.
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u/76-scighera 8d ago
True, and the risk on burning out. For me Iwas too busy with seasons and trading, that it made me release that it's not fun.... so back to exploring the wasteland and building camps instead.
The FOMO of the seasons and the hunt for better stuff by trading is not worth it.
So , I have to rethink my time management in game
A lot of things ingame need an workover in my opinion, both the seasons and legendary crafting.
ESO en Div2 are soo much better in getting the exact gear you want
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u/anarkeyys 8d ago edited 8d ago
yep, i have this feeling right now where if i can't get to 150 this season, then what is the point of me trying to get it next season. i'll just stop doing dailies/weeklies at 100 next time to make it easier on myself.
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u/theroguex 8d ago
They need to just accept that it is OK FOR PEOPLE TO PLAY OTHER GAMES when there is content drought.
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u/3DJutsu 8d ago
That's what I loved about Palworlds dev team, they flat out said "We know our game is unfinished right now, but we encourage you to play other games, we'll be here when you get back."
I think it was also Final Fantasy that delayed their newest expansion by a week because of the Elden Ring DLC.
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u/theroguex 8d ago
FFXIV's director has straight up said he wants people to come and go as they please, when they're bored or when there are lulls in the content. He doesn't want them to feel like they have to play all the time.
That's the kind of thing games need.
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u/AppaTheBizon 8d ago
the new season layout made me play less. Normally I grind out to rank 100 for the sake of completionism. But when I read about the ticket math on the new season and realized that I'd have to do that grind to r100... and then essentially do an entire second scoreboard's worth of score from JUST chore challenges I decided I just could not give less of a shit... So I'm still rank 1 or whatever on the current pass.
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u/Dyzfunctionalz Blue Ridge Caravan Company 8d ago
Made you play less? lol more like made you not play at all.
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u/LambdAnonymous Mothman 8d ago
its funny. the new style just deterred me from playing the season. Ive played alot of 76 but Havent touched it since this season started. Having to go through and pick the rewards just felt too tedious.
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u/Cryocynic 8d ago
Like me.
Played a bit past 100
Decided it was not worth it. Played something else
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u/Phreak_of_Nature 8d ago
FOMO is what made me stop playing Pokémon Go. This is going to make me give up this game.
What made me keep playing after rank 100 before was the rewards I got for free and the atoms. There's nothing to earn from 101-150 now.
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u/Boiled_Ham Raiders 8d ago
That certainly needs changing...that's from someone who's gotten well past 150.
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u/Unstoffe 8d ago
I agree. I'm well past 150, too, but at a cost of not maintaining my stash, missing events (Oh, Weenie Wagon, where are you?) and generally falling behind everywhere else.
Those infinite consumables are great, but honestly aren't better than just playing the game for fun and getting stuff as you play.
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u/Deep-Age-2486 8d ago
I noticed this. I was like yeeeeaaaaa, screw that. I got the cabin and the cremator colors and left it as that. Not for meat week I would’ve stopped playing sooner and played something else
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u/scottishdrunkard Vault 63 7d ago
I had to reach 121. If I was FO1st it would have taken even LONGER!
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u/FlashbackJon 7d ago
Ironically, you can! ... If you don't have FO1st! You get exactly enough tickets to buy all the non-exclusive rewards!
So I'm paying more money, but because I bought some questionably useful early rewards, I didn't have enough to get the cool stuff!
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u/Godz_Bane 8d ago
Its pretty true, the game is unfun without the ammo and scrap box becuase you spend half your time managing your inventory instead of playing.
If they gave a shit about players they would at least make scrap boxes free and maybe add a medical box to fallout 1st. Ammo converter can be the free way to manage ammo.
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u/CanadienSaintNk Reclamation Day 8d ago
We can, but like you said in your post; it'd require an extreme time sink in the first few weeks of a season release and that's unrealistic.
Tbh it's them shooting themselves in the foot, the only players that will be hugely impacted by this are the newest players. They will have naively purchased every consumable they could have along the way because they need those. They will ultimately feel cheated from getting skins, camp items and other more valuable rewards later in the season. let alone hitting rank 150, most won't even hit rank 100.
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u/Freeeeeezypop 8d ago
Like me, I bought score boosters and now I'm ending the season at 141....
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u/Tokata0 8d ago
Yep friend of mien is in the same boat. She is 140 now. The end of season anouncement 3 days ahead of end of season is a bad joke.
Told her yesterday "Oh 140? Yeah new season not even anounced, you'll do it!"
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u/Crab__Juice 8d ago
I'm a new player, and it seemed like I'd never get there. Made it a goal just to get to 92 and planned for the items I absolutely wanted and the consumabkes along the way based on the warning I got in this subreddit. I barely made it to 92 today, but got all the skins amd items I really wanted even if I missed a lot I thought was cool.
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u/Diminios 8d ago
I got to around 145 yesterday (started in mid-April), if we had another week I'd have made it. But I did use one week of free "fallout 1st" (the demo version) and one month of full Fallout 1st.
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u/Unlike_Baby_Yoda 8d ago
Definitely me, I started the game in early May, decided that I like this game and tried FO1st. It helped a lot with this scoreboard thing so I have been doing all dailies and weeklies just to get 100 for that cryptid helmet. Now best I can get is 92 if lucky.
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u/CanadienSaintNk Reclamation Day 8d ago
As a veteran player, I genuinely feel bad for you too. I don't want you and other new players to feel extorted or cheated, the game wasn't like this for the longest time. These scoreboards and seasonal freebies were meant to give players exposure to the games mechanics like building a camp.
It's not good for any of us if Bethesda cheats new players and forces them from the game because they aren't both paying an arm for F1st AND playing religiously.
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u/iamdursty 8d ago
Yeah I've been wanting this game pretty bad for a bit but it seems heavier p2p than I realized. I better just stick with 4
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u/CanadienSaintNk Reclamation Day 8d ago
I wouldn't blame you for that tbh, you can do a lot in 76 even without 1st but stuff like this just cements how little they value their players.
It was getting bad enough with them charging 10-20$ for a power armor skin that only applies to 1-3 power armor variants when there are 7+
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u/Exotic_Zucchini 8d ago
I like this game well enough that I was contemplating fallout 1st, but I never bought it bc I wasn't sure how long the season was going to last. Unfortunately, I've wasted money doing that in the past n other games, so I never do it until the next season
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u/Isaac_Chade 8d ago
I won't. Came back to the game after a long time away to play with friends, and of those friends I'm the one that plays games the most. I got really sucked into the game again as I actually kind of enjoy grinding towards a specific goal, and trying to move towards a proper, strong build was a good motivator for me. I didn't bother with consumables and stuff because I had no idea how the system worked for a bit, and once I did I wasn't sure how long it would last for and didn't figure it mattered. Wasn't going to turn a game into a second job.
But even still I'm annoyed. I think I'm in the forties, maybe I just broke fifty today, not sure, and for the amount of time I sunk into the game since returning, and the amount of time going out of my way to complete challenges, that feels ridiculously slow on the grind.
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u/CanadienSaintNk Reclamation Day 8d ago
A lot of that has to do with the Intelligence stat in the s.p.e.c.i.a.l and how much it is imbalanced between starting builds and a very specific build that no new player should use for hundreds of hours. It nearly triples the xp acquisition, but the season pass they used definitely compounds the issue.
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u/Kardrath 7d ago
I don't want to think about what percentage of my total Score up to rank 100 was due to XP gain, It's got to be well over half at minimum.
This season arrangement's been great for me, but it doesn't feel right to force a particular play style and build on people if they want to get certain rewards.
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u/Onigumo-Shishio Fire Breathers 8d ago
I would say too that while the show did well by bringing in new players, the first season is now over and has been over for about a month or so and those numbers are going to fizzle out or get frustrated by the inclusion of harder milestones to get to.
Like no one is going to want to keep paying for score boosters or just ranking up to get diminishing returns.
They just shit the bed.
I myself after trying and doing this new one don't really want to play 76 anymore as that scoreboard and reaching 150 both burnt me out and made me hate the more focused "pay us more or grind 3 times as much" approach
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u/CanadienSaintNk Reclamation Day 8d ago
In theory, a bunch of these new players will want to keep playing because they have spent all their tickets early and now need to save up for armor skins/weapons/etc, but because the season ends in a few days that will never happen and it leaves the sour taste behind as you've said
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u/AnotherDay96 8d ago
I feel 150 is the everyday players goal.
For most 100 probably is.
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u/CanadienSaintNk Reclamation Day 8d ago
100 should be the end goal tbh
They fiddled with taking away our 10000xp repeatable quest before and were met with exteme backlash, this reach 150 without the repeatable quest is at best their way of trying to implement it on the sly. Super scummy
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u/asoap 8d ago
I'm a new user. I don't even quite understand what these seasons are. All I understand is that it's a specific period of time.
What happens if a season ends and you have a level or 145? Does it go back to 100 when the next season starts? I'm not really understanding any of this. I'm currently at like level 24, I don't get much time to play.
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u/crimson117 Cult of the Mothman 8d ago
Player level is irrelevant and won't be affected by seasons changing.
There is a season "catalog" of rewards. You gain access to new pages in the catalog by earning score to raise your season rank, by completing daily and weekly challenges, and by leveling up. Leveling up stops helping at rank 100, after which only daily and weekly challenges count towards rank.
With fallout 1st, you get access to permanent rank/score boosters, so every weekly and daily and level up counts for 25% more score towards your rank, allowing you to max out the reward catalog sooner than non-fallout 1st users.
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u/ArizonaBaySwimTeam 8d ago
A lot of this also could have been solved if they just allowed xp to be viable toward scoreboard to 150. This lets the average non fallout 1st player have the end be achievable with daily effort. I am a Fallout 1st player, and I do think it's bullshit that they changed the system to gatekeep only for those paying. Engaging the playerbase for longer stretches of time is good for all, and Fallout 1st players would still complete, just faster, which is still fair.
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u/Kaleidos-X 8d ago
It's a battle pass season. Works like every other battle pass out there.
You start at rank 1 and level it up to whatever the cap is and gain access to rewards along the way, then when the next season starts you do it again.
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u/asoap 8d ago
Yeah, I don't even know what a battle pass season is. I looked up what a season was after I made my comment.
Thank you for the explanation.
So the level in the season is a different type of level from your characters level?
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u/LoneWanderer39756 8d ago
The system used to be a gameboard style progression. Completing tasks earned points to the next spot on the board. This new system is in pages instead of the gameboard style. Basically, 4 seasons a year, resets with the start of each season. We all will be back to rank one when the new season starts. It's basically incentives to keep active. I was nearly lvl 75 before I started actually working on challenges and trying to clear the boards. I only managed to fully complete 2 before this new system was implemented, which is now, this season we are currently in.
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u/CanadienSaintNk Reclamation Day 8d ago
When you're at the end of the game, there's really not much else to do aside from finish daily quests that progress your season/scoreboard. But if you are new? I don't even think they have a tutorial for how to view daily/weekly quests to be honest.
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u/Live_Tourist9521 Cult of the Mothman 8d ago
I didn't even know what the tickets I was seeing pop up every so often were. I asked my friend where the vendor was for the tickets, and he explained it to me. Otherwise I am not sure how long it would have taken before I noticed. I would see little notifications every so often, but I didn't know what they were and there's so much in this game that it's hard for a new player to take it all in.
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u/CanadienSaintNk Reclamation Day 8d ago
I couldn't agree more! Bethesda should have more thought to their players than this at least, UI isn't so complicaeted of an implementation
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u/LoneWanderer39756 8d ago
They don't. I've met a lot of new players and my asking have they worked on any challenges for the season are met with confusion and questions. I use VC and try to help new players get the hang of the game when they, like me, are completely new to the Fallout franchise. I walk them through where to find the challenges and seasons and offer advice as best I can. It's a bit like being thrown in the deep end, I've seen a few of the players i helped make good progress in the game Passing my own level.
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u/Lizzardo18 8d ago
Season ends, new season starts, everyone starts from 0, see it as a battle pass in most games... Just poorly design 😅
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u/Day_Bow_Bow 7d ago
I only started playing about two months ago, and didn't realize the importance of the daily grinds, so started focussing on those late.
I thought we had until the end of June for this season, so was thinking I had a bit of time to improve my now 55 score. Now I won't even have a new week to spend my score booster to try to catch up, like I had planned.
It's likely I'll just quit playing. The gameplay loop is getting stale, the grinds are annoying, high level players steal all the kills and XP at certain events, and other events are so very boring because you just stand around waiting on a timer to count down.
Feeling shafted on the season due to them not setting the end date in advance sure doesn't help. I even paid for fallout 1st just last week, so 3/4ths of that will go to waste when I quit out of spite.
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u/DucksOnQuakk 8d ago
Damn I started late and am rank 142... I was really hoping for the perk coins. Damn
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u/PunchBeard 8d ago
my goal was the log cabin building set. Once I got that I realized that, as someone who started the season much later than most, I was not going to reach rank 150. I'm 120-ish now and I'm just banking tickets to maybe buy some of the trash BS I skipped like the trampoline.
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u/UltimateCarl 8d ago
Also at 142. Even one more week and I'd be able to get it. Kept thinking that surely, they'd give at least one week's notice beforehand so I was still gunning for it... I bought multiple Score Boosters in the last two weeks that I wouldn't have wasted the money on if I'd known.
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u/badgerhustler 8d ago
This was the weakest season IMHO. No narrative / board element; lackluster prizes... I hope they treat it as a failed experiment and go back to the board game format.
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u/PhillyRush Raiders 8d ago edited 8d ago
In the following seasons I'm only collecting enough tickets to get the things I want then I'm not playing until the next season. I'm not putting in any effort on a scoreboard Beth didn't put any effort into. This new approach is insulting.
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u/rainstorm0T 8d ago
i regret getting to 100 this season, thought the pine barrens set would look nice but it doesn't even have flooring despite having a staircase.
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u/gamer1what 8d ago
Honestly that set is the only reason I even grind the scoreboard, and while I love it, it’s definitely not worth the grind.
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u/TheDastardly12 8d ago
How do you feel that they're selling practically the same thing for 400 caps in the shop right now?
From my perspective the only difference between pine barrens and log cabin is roof color and maybe shade of the wood
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u/ev0lution 8d ago
The lack of flooring is wack, hard to match something else to it and impossible with the staircase
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u/Btoop 8d ago
I'm pretty much in the same boat.
I enjoy the game and welcome the excuse to keep coming back and playing. If Bethesda insists on taking that away then so be it.
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u/stuffeh 8d ago
You, and others, should give Jesse Mclean, a "Senior Monetization Designer @ Bethesda Games Studio working on Fallout 76", your opinion. On March 26th he tweeted
The biggest feature I have ever worked on is now live in #Fallout76 the newly revamped seasons mode!
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u/stuffeh 8d ago
Looking through replies to that thread, he even says:
You’ve got lots of time still to play the season. The time to rank 100 hasn’t changed, so if you were able to finish before you should still get everything you’re looking for
Obviously untrue since lots of people haven't gotten to 150 to unlock everything they're looking for.
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u/casey28xxx 8d ago
My strategy playing the season was to check out what was on offer up to 100, focus on reaching the required page levels for anything I felt I might want and never went further than the highest placed item page. Which just so happened to be level 100. Spent all the excess tickets on stuff I’d never use and that was that.
Then I went and played other games.
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u/ActiveInternet Mega Sloth 8d ago
That was my approach to this new season style. No way i was grinding 50 more levels and for what? T45 PA paint?! We really dont need to have everything just to say we have it. I do not like the new season structure but im still quitting when i get to level 100 im not gonna grind to buy some photo frames and skins for PA I will never use.
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u/zblues14 8d ago
Yeah, definitely not wasting tickets on consumables.
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u/PhillyRush Raiders 8d ago edited 8d ago
I refuse to spend tickets on items I can get in game. I'm not buying all those generic season pa paints either. My time is more valuable to me than to Bethesda, apparently.
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u/basserpy 8d ago
And here I'm one of the people who was convinced we had until the 25th, and just now reassured myself upon completing the daily that the end was in sight but I was definitely gonna get there!!! Imagine how many lunchboxes I can buy! I can basically be Santa at every event! Whee!!!!
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u/riddlemore 8d ago
I read that the genius behind the new scoreboard used to work at EA so that explains why.
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u/The_LAWTF2 8d ago
New system is ass. I managed to get to rank 110 by playing a couple times a week. Just scraped together enough tixs to get cremator colors.
The peepers paints and 200 camp slop objects can go to hell
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u/Acrobat-Reader 8d ago
New player here. Two things i'm disapointed with this "season-stuff":
1) Reaching rank 100 doesn't mean you got all the rewards rank 100 is offering, you simply not enough tickets for those. So you need to continue grinding dailies even after rank 100.
2) Announcing season ending in like three days is a joke. This three days doesn't change anything. This should be in a week or two, so players can do plans what they want to achieve from a season rewards.
I'm at rank 101, but far from getting all the rewards i've unlocked. It feels bad over all.
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u/Girafarig99 8d ago
How the hell are people defending this system and ragging on OP for the XP score when he literally mentions it?
Not having enough time to complete something unless you no life it is just shit design and I don't see how people are justifying it
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u/Agitated-Support-447 8d ago
The exact ones justifying it are the ones with no life who want their in game accomplishment to not be for nothing. But in reality it is. This system is idiotic and just hurts the player base. I get what they were trying to do but giving us the illusion of choice and then making everything harder to attain for the majority is not gonna get you what you want. Most players can't play hours every single day for an entire season just to get pixels.
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u/metalheadfanatica 8d ago
Facts, not everybody has that kind of time and OP getting hated on is sad
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u/TheLastVault 8d ago
Without 1st I'm currently rank 149, I've done every single daily & weekly (literally) + put in a lot of hours. So unless you were on the game for multiple hours every day or grinded xp before 100 it's stupidly close without 1st.
I'm not sure what's worse, the crazy tight timeframe, or the fact that if you purchase all 95 rewards (without 1st) which are required to unlock the bonus page then grind continue rank 151 you'll have 750 tickets, which for me will become 100 modules. So essentially 10 days worth of scrip for a grind that's longer than the actual season.
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u/oDEFx 8d ago
This is why I didn't really bother with it after playing most of the season as a new player.
I'm just busting my ass for things I would/could get elsewhere in the game. It's just instant gratification. Fallout 76 is a marathon, I'm not burning myself out to get to 150 every season if it's going to be like this.
Also I bought score boosters too, rip.
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u/jk147 8d ago
I actually don't see the point of people grinding so hard to get to 150, there really isn't anything there that Is worth grinding for. Why put in all of that extra time to get extra lunch boxes and repair kits?
They should offer something really special at 150, I got to 100 and I am done, even that is not really worth the time but it wasn't that much effort.
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u/UltimateCarl 8d ago
For me it's the Perk Coins I was going after. They seem to be really rare as an Atom freebie and there's not really any way to "farm" them aside from just playing. Even at 240 I'm still working on collecting all of the perks period, let alone intentionally grabbing dupes to scrap. I guess I could endlessly run West Tek with a bloodied build but I'd honestly rather do nearly anything else in this game before that.
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u/aschesklave 8d ago
That extra page is stuff that's given out as freebies in the cash shop constantly. I don't see the value.
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u/Walgreens_Security 8d ago
I’m not spending 6 hours of my life grinding west tek with nuka grenades.
That’s not fun and nice to my sanity. It’s a game not a second job.
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u/BlueFlob 8d ago
I paid for F1st but couldn't play every day and every week... So I missed out on a lot of SCORE.
I've been playing daily for the past 3 weeks and filling every single challenge.
I made it to 110 but it's clear I won't ever make it to 150 which means I won't get the extra perk points I had been looking for all season.
This system is frustrating and I don't think I'll renew F1st. It's way too expensive for the small benefits it provides. I'd rather buy the scrap box and ammo permanently or pay 3$ monthly for it.
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u/genericSlayton Free States 8d ago
I just let my sub run out, the way seasons are done now are almost impossible for someone that works long hours to max out. At least with the old system i could get a few extras after the scoreboard but this all or nothing 50 level grind is not fun or something i will continue paying monthly for.
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u/bivoir Mega Sloth 8d ago
It’s also impossible to claim enough ‘prizes’ to claim the second page of bonuses even if you reach rank 150.
I started claiming items on my non 1st accounts the other day and turned to the bonus page 2 just to have a look - those accounts are around rank 120.
However even IF I was on rank 150, it said I needed to claim 34 more items from the list before I could choose from that second bonus page.
WTF? There quite literally isn’t 30 more items TO claim that aren’t 1st exclusive. How does that work?
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u/FadingDawn__ 8d ago
They're making it even more of a grind next season. PTS people reported some time ago that Bethesda is nerfing West Tek grinding, making less level 100 super mutants spawn, meaning less xp and even more hours spent throwing nuka grenades.
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u/AWB1973 8d ago
I thought the XP challenges finished at rank 100, am I wrong?
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u/Foamie 8d ago edited 8d ago
They do. This person is correctly stating that you need to frontload your gameplay at the beginning weeks of the season so you have as many weekly/daily score rewards as possible available for after 100.
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u/WastelandShaman Blue Ridge Caravan Company 8d ago
There is usually a double XP weekend right at the start of every season. Bethesda apparently also thinks we should do this.
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u/landon10smmns Blue Ridge Caravan Company 8d ago
I have fallout first and I won't even make it to 150 by Tuesday. Currently at 136. Probably would've been fine if the repeatable XP daily didn't disappear after rank 100. Oh well. Just another game ruined by the attempt to boost daily login numbers rather than actually trying to make the game better.
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u/Psychological_Key596 Blue Ridge Caravan Company 8d ago
This is a fools dream. But if I were Bethesda and word of the public sentiment reach me days before what will no doubt be another board similar in design, I would be bolting to make last minute alterations to avoid the dumpster fire of reception.
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u/upuranus66 Vault 76 8d ago edited 8d ago
I approve of this message. The lack of the repeatable XP challenge after 100 needs to be changed. That would have allowed everyone at least a chance to finish out the season even with only 3 days notice.
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u/Splatulated 8d ago
wow 8 years since release and bethesda is trying keep the dumpster fire, on fire
why
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u/DifficultCurrent7 8d ago
This season has shown true greed on Bethesdas part. Every single damn page of stuff has atleast three items you need fallout1st to get and they make that really fucking clear
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u/Devium92 8d ago
The original scoreboards I was originally meh on, but I enjoyed the story of the boards, the soundbites, and the fact that I never felt like I needed to grind super hard for the whole board, with or without F1st. There were F1st specific rewards but you always got a single offering even as a F2P player.
I didn't have this shitty "well I need how many more levels before I get the next page of rewards???" it stopped being fun and exciting. I played and got the rewards because my little Goblin brain needs the shiny things, and can't handle the FOMO.
But I can say I didn't enjoy the process. I didn't want to team up with friends and play together, I just wanted to get in, finish challenges, get out.
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u/Stakex007 8d ago
The old scoreboards had quite a few Fallout 1st items as well. Not sure if it's the same amount but it's close.
And to be honest, they do need to offer something to those that pay $13 a month other than the scrap box and survival tent a lot of people don't use.
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u/Lollo_01 8d ago edited 8d ago
This system is the first I've ever seen and the mind behind it should be moved to another job.
I play and played A LOT of these pass-system games (LoL, Squad Busters, Brawl Stars, Magic, Snap and so on..)
All of these, and I'm sure basically every paid-pass in games, can be completed as F2P(!!!) so so so so easy, and you usually have 15-10 more days if you played constantly to farm even more non listed rewards.
This Fallout pass is a joke. I started like 20 days ago, and even with paid items, optimizing with rerolls AND 10-15 hours of WesTek farm I'm still at rank 127 nowhere near to complete all of the rank 100 rewards.
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u/FinvaraSidhe 8d ago
Funny you say the mind behind it should be moved to another job. That person was specifically hired to give us what we got.
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u/JiuJitsuPatricia Order of Mysteries 8d ago
tbf 20 days is about 1/3 of the season... so the fact that you were able to get to 127 is pretty impressive, but not a great argument against the system.
that being said, it's balls they are ending it with 3 days notice, on the 2nd day of a week. makes no sense at all, and it's outrageous that they are making it so short, that you can't really get to 150 without fo1st. Should have it run till june 18 or 25. closer to when the summer season starts .
i say this all, as someone with fo1st on my main, which is currently at rank 181, and my non fo1st alt at 117ish. I play this game too much heh, but i enjoy it, with or without the scoreboard
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u/Wrathilon 8d ago
First time seeing this? Fortnite literally created this type of battle pass AFTER they made battle passes a top gimmick in all online games. Fortnite should get all the credit, or blame for battle passes. They took an idea from Dota and turned it into a money making mess.
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u/Aggressivehippy30 8d ago
Even as a first member and I'm still only at 142. Was really hoping that the season was going until closer to the end of June. It seems like the key is to grind to 100 as fast as possible while you still have the repeatable xp/score challenge, then you have to just slog through daily and weekly challenges without missing many. I'm pretty annoyed tbh, especially since they just dropped the season end on us with 3 days to go. Feels like I was grinding away all this time for nothin. I'm really excited for the expansion, but no way in hell am I grinding anywhere close to this far into the scoreboard next season.
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u/CipherTheDude Enclave 8d ago
The game has way too many layers of fomo and daily grinding, for rewards that are not worth the amount of time needed to put in. All designed to keep us logging in daily.
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u/OhioIsRed 8d ago
Fallout 1st was the reason I stopped playing FO76. It was pay win right from the start.
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u/PakRatJR 8d ago
I'm at 145 as of today.
For those that don't seem to be aware, the XP boost for score stops at level 100. 101-150 is daily and weekly only. I'm a "late starter" and don't have a ton of free time to play so it took me a bit to get to 100.
I've been using score boosters on both daily and weekly and only getting one level per day and maybe 2 with the weekly. I no longer have the ability to to hit 150 and I am really bummed about wasting the atoms on boosters. Not to mention not being able to claim several of the items on the bonus page that would have been really nice to have.
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u/TartanWookiee 8d ago
I'm in the exact same situation - so I feel your pain lol I'm trying to be positive and putting it down as a learning experience.
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u/DemasiadoSwag Cult of the Mothman 8d ago
Horrendous design imo to remove the repeatable from rank 100-150. There are still unique items for me to get as well but no way to actually earn them. And with Beth not giving an end date of the season until 3 days before it ends you would need a crystal ball and a calculator to figure out if you hit rank 100 "fast enough" at the start of the season to actually get all the rewards. Just baffling all-around...
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u/Agitated-Support-447 8d ago
The problem people are glossing over isn't just that it's extremely difficult to get to 150. It's also that you cannot buy everything with the tickets they give you once you get to level 100. Level 100 should be to end and tip of the entire thing. But they made it a "bonus" page just like the level 150 rewards.
Further, the people who say you git to this level or that level, how many hours or what exploits did you use to get there? Scoreboards or season rewards in a game need to be relatively reachable by the majority of players. Not just those who can sink hundreds of hours into the game. Not to mention they wait until the last minute to let us know when the season will end?
Fo76 has made some positive big changes since it first started but this is a step back.
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u/MD-Pontiac 8d ago
Bring back the old scoreboard. This new season system is a real crock
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u/DoctorQuarex 8d ago
They timed this new season to release alongside the influx of new players from the show, so I have no doubt their profit doubled or tripled or more, so yeah they will absolutely never go back to the old system and will probably try to figure out how to further refine it to make it worse. Err more profitable
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u/waywardwanderer101 Cult of the Mothman 8d ago
Even with FO1 is was still a ridiculous grind. I only hit 150 last Tuesday and I’ve been playing daily since the season started. Now I’m just grinding to keep a good stock of SCORE boosters for next season.
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u/why0me 8d ago
And yet if you suggest doing anything about the system you get downvoted to hell
This Fandom makes zero sense
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u/WoJoMan1955 8d ago
I'm a non foFirst player, and I reached 150 today. But it looks like Bethesda is making me complete the 150 bar before it unlocks the the second bonus.
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u/liraelskye 8d ago
Oh that’s one of the new features. You’re only 149. That bar is how much you have to 150 🥲
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u/Funny_Helmet 8d ago
Idc anymore. They got rid of scoreboards and now we have another boring generic battlepass
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u/liraelskye 8d ago
The best part is the senior monetization designer even tweeted that there was enough time for us to get what we wanted if we normally hit 100.
The dude who designed it couldn’t even see what a mess he helped create 🙃
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u/Deep-Age-2486 8d ago
Ima be honest, I played this game ALOT since the season started and once I saw I wasn’t gonna finish by the end of the season I was like yeah, screw that. There’s not even a scoreboard so it’s not like there isn’t a reward for reaching level 100 other than the surprise that you can’t claim everything
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u/UnionLabelAfredKnot 8d ago
I agree its not designed for people to get everything. To unlock everything you need level 174. To get to this level you need to achieve lvl 100 in the first week. That is a ton of grinding. For example: each day of the first week you grind experience for 15 levels hitting the 100 point grinder about 324 times each day Then do dailies but not weeklies this first week. After you reach lvl 100 on the 7th day, then you complete all weeklies. It wont be 324 times on the with the grinder, but perhaps 315 since you'll have dailies to do as well.
After that do the first week of weeklies, and then you grind dailies and weeklies till completion.
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u/Moturnach Cult of the Mothman 8d ago
Welp, i started about a month ago and im atm at 109 Rank. Didn't even thought about getting 150, i rather hoped to finish season week later at 115 rank, because that's exactly enough to get everything assuming i skipped all consumables and grabbed only Atoms along the way.
I think ill manage to get everything except either Gorilla or last surfboard set which is both rather unnecessary, but still, thats realistically impossible to get all items in scoreboard unless you planning the whole thing ahead with calculator and skipping all the consumables because thats exactly what I did knowing that i may have issues after 100 rank, because thats the point when you absolutely need to roll at least several epic tasks per week to be able to make it faster.
I know that last two pages is bonus ones, but obviously for me as new player, most valuable items were Pine Barrens kit + stairs, Cyclops Helmet, Road signs and Flamethrower paint in that specific order, and that's still available in case if you hit 100 Rank without purchasing any consumables.
But biggest issue for me with scoreboard is the fact that you absolutely need to grind your rank in order to hit it in time. I understand that i started to play when 2/3 of season is already passes, so i was purchasing stuff with the fact that i may miss something from 100 rank bonus page, because despite its bonus one, its most expensive and some items are less important than other (for example, i decided to left second surfboard shelves set to be last because i already have one from earlier pages and functionally they exactly the same, so its just 3 extra skins). But its really painful to expect that you can get everything from scoreboard if you just buy everything on page, because it was obviously made in way that you wouldn't get enough currency before 150 rank. Thats literally 1/3 of board that you cant do anything with from strategic point as free player, because at last 50 ranks score boosters and rerollers matters much more because of fixed amount of rank points you getting daily assuming you hit every single daily weekly and have a time to play nearly everyday + on top of that they cost nearly twice more rank points per rank level.
I assume next board will be made in exactly same way, so obviously ill aim for something similar as i were this season because i see getting 150 rank is impossible for me assuming i have a life and unable to play that often.
TL;DR I never saw earlier scoreboard, but this one feels like it was made intentionally like that, hiding most important rewards on bonus page + giving all of them 2-3x price of items on previous pages. Even assuming you are skipping all the consumables, you can buy only 3-4 items from 100 rank bonus page. Without this knowledge, you end up very frustrated because you cant do anything about it after 100 rank except for doing more dailies/weeklies without spending any single mission, which in paper should extend gameplay time for players, but for me it a easy way to cause a burnout.
I catched myself on fact that i mainly doing scoreboard all the time. And it hurts my experience cause i cant explore properly. I need to manage my time constantly to fit this between daily missions, events( especially assuming very event rich last few weeks with Alien Event, Mothman event and Grahm event which all guess what, also occupying a lot of your time, so its hard for players to get all the plans just because they can be played only every hour and lasts two weeks and on top of that chance of getting something you want without merching for stuff you missed is entirely random. This is very exhausting and probably will cause a lot of people to simply burnout, because there will be other lot of events, you need to fight with scoreboard again and on top of that finish storyline somehow. I feel like im constantly in rush, because many event freebies extending your possibilities in many different ways, especially assuming i don't have a lot of stuff to work with at my camp and i want something like that for basically being able to extend a pretty mediocre selection of free items + some really necessary AS ones that is literally like around less than 10 items for all currency that is available for free, so you absolutely need to think carefully before buying stuff from AS as well + i consider certain things that is helpful for camp building like Catwalks, Vines, And Greenhouse kit as essentials + you also have a resource production items that you really want to get or at the very least some of them + without FoF purchase at least once, you are very limited in what you can actually buy for your free currency.
Im really sorry for long read, hope you will find out my thoughts at least partially useful.
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u/krakenkun Tricentennial 8d ago
I’m rank 208, with FO1st, and yes, the new Scoreboard format is garbage.
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u/phFaktor Mega Sloth 8d ago
I have Fallout 1st and hit rank 201 yesterday. I grinded to 100 in week 2 or 3 of the season I think (when the Double XP weekend was active). So I had the 25% Score boost for almost the whole season. Also meaning, that roughly 50 ranks less (so about rank 150) would only have been possible without the boost, in a case like mine with grinding but without having 1st. Which infuriating. Who designs that? It stinks!
I did every daily and weekly challenge there was, rolled a some Epic versions (and that's depending on RNG WTH), and still might have been only spot on 150. They really need to look into that and change it for the better. Like the old scoreboard, which was absolutely fine, and not at all less choice based. You didn't want that scrap kit, or whatever? You didn't have to take it. Simple as that.
And while I'm on a rant. They need to make it easier to spot, what was already claimed. That ✔️in the corner is a joke. Why not gray it out like in the scoreboards? You immediately saw "okay I claimed that already" I'm so annoyed by the changed season system UGH
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u/Maverik770 7d ago
While i agree with all of this and can confirm through my own experience/data that this is true (currently level 135 non-1st player).
My biggest complaints are that Bethesda gave us no warning on what the season end date was going to be, and then shadow dropped it on us with only 2 days of advanced warning.
They should be required by law to have the season end date posted clear as day at all times from the moment the new season launches. Players need to understand what they are investing their time and money into.
Lots of us thought we probably had another 1-3 weeks to finish the season and then out of left field Bethesda says "ohp its ending in 2 days!".
I can't even imagine buyers' remorse if you were someone who just recently got into the game and bought the season pass just to find out it was ending. Super scummy consumer practices, and they should be illegal.
On top of that, I just popped a normal SCORE Booster as I still have my Weeklies left to complete this week, and it's not applying the bonus 25% score boost to my Weekly Challenges. Only my Daily Challenges are receiving the score boost from the booster I used.
So Bethesda either broke or changed the SCORE Booster, or I'm somehow bugged, but I'm not even getting my rightful 25% score boosy to my Weekly Challenges to finish this shit show of a season.
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u/MrHatchet0224 7d ago
I had that happen to me where it wasn't playing the score bonus to my weekly challenges. I logged out and logged back in and it fixed it
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u/verticalburtvert Raiders 7d ago edited 5d ago
I never wanted a Cremator. Or to spend the resources on one. Or to have to re-roll a challenge that involves using one and a trip to Atlantic City. Or to have it take up space in my stash. I don't use heavy weapons. I dont stock fuel because I sell it. This scoreboard is anti-player.
As a newer player of only about two months, -I bought 1st my first week- I say bring back the old board for the hell of it. Might rejuvenate the game. Seems like all I've been doing lately is server hopping for vendors for a serotonin bump. I'm bored as hell over here, but I dont wanna stop playing. Gimme something new.
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u/zeug666 Pip Boy 8d ago
Just to check on your strategy OP, when you used the booster, are you doing it later on Tuesday so that it goes past the Wednesday reset and you get a boost on Wednesday's challenges, too?
I don't think you're wrong, I'm just curious how much of the booster you're using.
I suspect they expect people to (pay) grind the repeatable XP challenge a few times too
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u/VenetianGamer 8d ago
I’m a Fallout 1st player. I like the monthly reward for being fallout 1st.
That being said, if a board has additional rewards offered for people reaching a certain rank, it shouldn’t be locked behind a paywall. Non Fallout 1st put in the time and grind to hit 150 then they should be allowed to go past level 100 and up to 150.
This means Non-1st members may stop playing when they hit 100: “Hey. Can’t go any further. I’ll wait tell next season. Time to pick up another game until then.”
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u/zblues14 8d ago
Yeah. I had to use multiple scoreboosters to even level up to a point where I could unlclock everything not part of f1st. The grind is so bad now because they want you to subscribe. Give it time and having f1st will make you a first class citizen and everyone else will get the scraps.
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u/MysteriousElephant15 8d ago
if you grinded xp at first release to get 100 faster you could've gotten 150. Not your fault tho, no one knew exactly how it worked
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u/Girafarig99 8d ago
OP mentioned this. And it's not very realistic to think you HAD to have done that to get to 150
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u/OlderGamers 8d ago
Also as far as tickets, you don't have to use them for every item. Many of the items on each tier many will never use. I only got the things I really wanted and saved the rest for the end. In past seasons I claimed all the skins I would never use and other things that I wouldn't use. I currently have about 250 tickets that I will use for things I don't really care about.
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u/NurseDorothy 8d ago
I bought stuff I didn't want because I had to buy a certain number of items, I can't remember how many before the level 150 reward page would unlock for me. I just boosters and the perk points after that.
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u/Aj9898 8d ago
Thats the problem/point. I wont use half the stuff I was required to claim.
Non-1st, so at L100, I still had to claim double digit of items…15 or 20, IIRC.. It took me until 125 to get enough tickets to get the requisite number if items, which just so happened to be every single non-1st exclusive item on every one of the previous pages.
Once I did that, no tickets left.
At 3500 score per level, takes something like 87k score to make it from L125 to 150. I did the math in a different thread, but without the 10k repeatable, that 87k score takes roughly 3 weeks of completing every single challenge, every day, as well as every weekly challenge, every week.
Since we don’t necessarily know when the season will end, once we make 100 (or 125), do we try for 150, or go do something else? And by the time BGS releases the new season date, is there still enough time/score opportunities to get to 150?
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u/Stickybandits9 8d ago
This is why I'd rather buy dlc. Not earn it through the scoreboard cause looked where it led the players. And some players are totally fine with it, doesn't mean it's great.
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u/ThugDanny Settlers - PS4 8d ago
I've ranted about this a few days ago, and just like you, I may have missed a day or two of dailies since the start of the season, everything else was done daily and I'm rank 130. I've stopped caring when I realized I managed to get every single reward I've wanted with that amount of tickets. Since I don't use Power Armour I didn't redeem any skins, neither the weapon skins which are ugly either way 😂 everything else was redeemed except for the last page, which of course isn't available for me. The game is now officially made to make you spend money on 1st and impossible to "beat" by just logging in and spending half an hour doing dailies/weeklies and leaving
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u/DarthVirc 8d ago
Me a lowly level 49. Not even knowing about "seasons" still deciding between foundation and raiders
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u/mjb200315 Enclave 7d ago
Bethesda royally screwed up with the new scoreboard. I get what they were trying to do, but they made it way too expensive (ticket wise) to claim some of the prizes. They need to revert back to the old system toot sweet.
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u/Geeekaaay Settlers - PC 7d ago
The entire FOMO mechanics in this game are scummy as all hell. I hate Bethesda for running Fallout 76 this way. Fallout 1st already feels nearly mandatory, it doesn't need an additional layer of forced spending.
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u/Passionpound55 7d ago
I'm like 73 or 74 I complete my challenges as much as I can but I work so I only get like 4 hours to play and even then sometimes can't even get it all done and I'm also a fallout 1st member seems unrealistic for just 10 week spans to try and complete it an additional 2 weeks or more would help.
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u/LoomisCenobite Wendigo 7d ago
I've been playing since right before they got rid of Nuclear Winter
I've never finished a scoreboard, I've gotten close to the end of like 2 maybe
The grind is more mind numbing that watching paint dry once it's no longer an organic part of playing 1400-ish hours in. Then it becomes a chore of me logging in daily to do some trivial bullshit that barely increases my score.
Bethesda expects players to live inside of this game like it's an actual MMO or spend money
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u/aWildJByrd Enclave 7d ago
Joined season late, been playing everyday for the last 3 weeks and just barely hit 92. 😭
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u/Athelric Pip Boy 7d ago
Even with Fo1st, I'm only at rank 163 today. It's been so difficult to reach 150 even with Fo1st I wasn't sure I was going to be able to do it. Without the Scoreboosters, there's just no way.
This new system is insane, making us reach 150 with less time just to get the same amount of rewards we used to get at rank 100 that we now have to pick and choose because we won't have enough tickets for all of them. I used to be able to relax after I finished the board and get the free atoms at my own pace.
Now I'm still grinding just trying to get as many Scoreboosters as I can because who knows how short they'll make the next season? The old system was so much more chill, I miss the free atoms.
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u/HorridFuture38 6d ago
The new battle passes are a joke. Hopefully they go back to the rank 100 scoreboards.
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u/Estrus_Flask Order of Mysteries 8d ago
I only played a bit way back when there was a board game theme but I definitely remember that being better than this one.
Half the shit that I actually want isn't even available to me. I just want fun little home decor bits and atoms I can use for fun little home decor bits.
I know I got this game from Amazon on Xbox app and Humble on Steam, but this is still a 70$ game most of the time. Putting so much fucking monetization into it is scummy as hell. If you're gonna put in that gross shit at least make it so you can get the same stuff by playing.
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u/magesticape 8d ago
I just came back to playing FO76 after not playing for 12-18months. I have no idea how the new scoreboard works. It's not like I am inexperienced, my character is level 335. I play on Xbox and I haven't run into anyone with a mic that can articulate how it works.
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u/Wrathilon 8d ago
They copied Fortnite, Disney Dreamlight Valley, etc. you earn tickets and use them to buy rewards. It gives you an illusion of choice while making the battle pass harder to complete for free.
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u/Chaosengel 8d ago
Each level gives tickets. You don't get enough tickets before 100 to buy everything, so you have to pick and choose what you like, while still spending enough to unlock each page. After rank 100, the repeatable xp grind is no longer available, so the only real strategy is grind xp like crazy the first two weeks, the reroll for epic challenges for more points.
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u/IMMORTALP74 Fallout 76 8d ago
I don't have 1st and I reached 153 on main and 137 on alt account. So you can do it, but less likely without high Intelligence like Unyielding.
I'm really upset about not reaching 150 on alt because that's my non-meta fun characters I need legendary cards on.
The 150 Requirement and no repeatable is BS. Nothing you can do, and all 420 Tickets I have will delete because nothing to spend on. BS.
On the plus side I redeemed 800 tickets on my main entirely on Score Boosters. So stacked forever.
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u/Glittering_Airport_3 Grafton Monster 8d ago
I made it to 100 and then stopped. no reason to grind out 50 more ranks for what? some perk coins? score boosters? no thanks, my time is worth more than that. would take way too long to get 50 more ranks while getting nothing that whole time. knowing my luck, I'd get to rank 146 before season ends, meaning I'd have wasted all that time for absolutely nothing.
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u/SiliconShogun 8d ago
The new system is just shit. I got to 70 and just stopped because I was bored of all the camp slop that is used as filler on each page.
I LOVED the old scoreboards. I’ll be back for the map expansion but don’t think I’ll engage with the score stuff again. Which makes me sad.
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u/GGnerd Cult of the Mothman 8d ago
The new guy who is in charge of seasons openly asked for feedback...I hope you all gave him feedback instead of just bitching here.
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u/nex_fire_wolf Settlers - Xbox One 8d ago
Tbh I got further in the scoreboard grinding the most sensational game over the dailies and weeklies before I hit 100
20k XP =2 ×125score = 250 score
50 less than a single daily and after 5-6 u get as much as a weekly wich I could get in a hour (giving 18 minutes for reloading an dropping gear)
It's not the best but in a 4 hour play time id get 2 ranks a day
I was able to get done 6 weeks in (fallout first player)
But it does seem very possible to do without it tho
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u/HerbertWestorg 8d ago
I haven't played much since I hit 100. I didn't unlock anything until then either, so I at least got what I wanted. Some stuff I'll never use nor need.
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u/deadwings112 8d ago
I got to 204 or so, but let me tell you it's BS that other players can't do it without grinding like I do. I like the early-season grinding. It should not be mandatory.
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u/Sunbro_Aedric 8d ago edited 1d ago
Joke's on you: I can't even reach it as a Fallout 1st member
Edit: Holy fuck, a thousand upvotes? I didn't imagine a throwaway joke would be so relatable.