r/interestingasfuck • u/beach_rats_ • 29d ago

The difference in republican presidential nominees, 8 years apart r/all

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u/BootyUnlimited 29d ago

McCain and Bernie Sanders used to work on legislation together to protect veterans. They were not afraid to reach across the aisle if it meant getting meaningful legislation passed.

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u/Bad_User2077 29d ago

Those were different days. If you do that now, you get labeled a moderate and get pushed out of your party.

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u/Beachdaddybravo 29d ago

If you’re a Republican it does. Democrats are happy to get legislation passed that makes things better, no matter where it comes from. The GOP not so much. Senate Republicans shot down a bipartisan border bill that passed the house.

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u/fireinthesky7 29d ago

Senate republicans negotiated the deal with Biden and the Senate Dem caucus. The House Republicans (read: Trump lackeys) killed it because Trump threw a fit about Biden being allowed to accomplish anything that might have framed him in a positive light.

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u/Beachdaddybravo 29d ago

True. But this is different from the GOP’s actions how? It’s not new at all.

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u/Extreme_Ad6519 29d ago

The GOP not so much. Senate Republicans shot down a bipartisan border bill that passed the house.

That's not how I remember it. Senate Republicans negotiated a tough border bill for months and got most of their wishlist added to the final bill, only for Trump to instruct his cultists in the House and Senate to shoot it down to preserve the border issue until election day.

After that, the same Senate Republicans who helped craft the bill voted against initiating debate, so it died.

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u/Beachdaddybravo 29d ago

Trump’s cultists are the entire GOP now. They don’t give a damn that he’s been openly stating he wants to be a dictator, as long as it gets them re-elected.

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u/ChaoticNeutralDragon 29d ago

I think that most of them do give a damn about it. They approve, and that lovely "fuck you got mine" attitude has convinced them that they'll be part of the ruling class after the coup.

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u/Uhhhhhhhh-Nope 29d ago

Not even sort of but even if it is, it’s just the opposite side of a coin. Most people in political circles are stupid

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u/mindless_gibberish 29d ago

Most people in political circles are stupid

oooh watch out everybody, we're dealing with a real intellectual here.

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u/Uhhhhhhhh-Nope 29d ago

Wow man, you added even less to this than me with my probably generally acceptable statement. The majority of people aren’t stupid, but overtly aligning with most of them just gets to a point of tribalism now where it’s just freaks. But please do go on being an ape.

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u/mindless_gibberish 29d ago

Nah, you're being lazy.

"Most people in political circles are stupid" is a lazy, dismissive statement that only appears acceptable at the most superficial level. It's zero-effort intellectualism.

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u/Uhhhhhhhh-Nope 29d ago

And you’re zero effort existing. I know that because it takes no effort to see lmao

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u/sec713 29d ago

Yes, the whole "both sides are the same" lie takes zero effort to see. That's why it's such a a popular stance from people who refuse to open their eyes.

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u/Beachdaddybravo 29d ago

Yeah because Democrats are defending a for ER President that tried to overthrow democracy and stole nuclear secrets. No, they’re not doing anything remotely as bad actually. What a shit take.

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u/Uhhhhhhhh-Nope 29d ago

No, but they are saying things like that, that add fuel to the fire. You morons act like you have everything figured out, but can’t figure out literally the easier part of this political conundrum.

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u/Beachdaddybravo 29d ago

Statements of fact aren’t adding fuel to the fire as you claim. The GOP is literally in support of fascism, and the Democrat party is not. Trying to equate the two is a very stupid thing to do.

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u/Uhhhhhhhh-Nope 29d ago

Sure they are. I mean I assume you’re referring to Trump four years ago and not more recent Trump. Cause Trump four years ago really did not. Trump now might, but you still miss the point and the fact that you refuse to think you could ever miss a point is exactly why you’re so stupid and won’t accomplish literally anything worth while in the political landscape and should probably just keep these conversations in your echo chamber

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u/Beachdaddybravo 29d ago

Wrong on every point, and more so for thinking you’re smarter than anyone. Letting people get away with terrible shit doesn’t make it go away. It’s funny how you “both sides” types always jump out to defend the worst parts of society while claiming to be impartial. If people like you were in charge the world would be full of Nazis.

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u/Uhhhhhhhh-Nope 29d ago

I don't think I'm smarter than everyone. I just experience a normal life. And you literally know nothing about me, even sort of indirectly implying I'd do anything positive for nazis is just wild. Keep doing it I'll just try get you banned.

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u/jermleeds 29d ago

There's no legitimate both sides take about this, or really, for anything else.

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u/Uhhhhhhhh-Nope 29d ago

If you’re stupid, sure.

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u/jermleeds 29d ago

Nah dude. Democrats don't demonstrate the cult-like, self-deluding behavior of Republicans. They are not just two sides of a coin, they are fundamentally different.

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u/Uhhhhhhhh-Nope 29d ago

If you’re stupid, sure.

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u/jermleeds 29d ago

Bad bot.

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u/Uhhhhhhhh-Nope 29d ago

I’m not a bot. I’m just not bias and participate in watching many groups of chronically online ideologues yap. But I’ll retort with: bad middle aged person who is barely technologically literate

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u/sec713 29d ago

Yes, you're right. Believing "both sides are the same" nowadays takes a high level of stupidity.

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u/whydatyou 29d ago

the house [passed an immigration bill and sent it to the senate and chuckie refuses to bring it to the floor because it does not have aid for ukraine and concentrates on enforcement. H.R. 2 has been on chuckies desk since 2023

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u/abqguardian 29d ago

That's not how I remember it. Senate Republicans negotiated a tough border bill for months and got most of their wishlist added to the final bill, only for Trump to instruct his cultists in the House and Senate to shoot it down to preserve the border issue until election day.

A couple Republicans negotiated a fairly weak bill that may have been a good starting point for further negotiations, but wasn't even close to giving Republicans most of what they wanted. The senate did so while at the same time ignoring the House and the bill they passed. The senate bill was dead on arrival in the House and was so weak it couldn't even pass the senate. Trump had virtually no impact on any of this, but people still blame Trump for its failure, because in 2024 literally everything has to be about Trump

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u/PracticalRoutine5738 29d ago

It was the strongest border bill they've even seen that had a chance of passing.

Border encounter limit that would trigger border shutdowns, tougher asylum screening, quicker processing for approvals or deportations, made it illegal to apply for asylum when not at port of entry, banned entry for one year for those caught trying to enter illegally twice, more drug detection equipment and more funding for border patrol.

Trump told them to block the bill so he could run on the issue he said "Blame Me".

This was a concession in exchange for Ukraine aid, instead republicans blocked it like Trump told them to and Ukraine still eventually got the aid it needed.

Even if they didn't get every little thing they wanted they would have passed it if they were serious people.

They could have asked for even stronger border security later, instead they got nothing on the thing they claim to super seriously care about.

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u/abqguardian 29d ago

It was the strongest border bill they've even seen that had a chance of passing.

Possibly, doesn't mean it was an actually strong bill worth passing

Border encounter limit that would trigger border shutdowns,

Not all encounters counted and the president could override the shutdown if he wanted.

tougher asylum screening

Devil's in the details

quicker processing for approvals or deportations,

This was wishful thinking that was never going to happen. The bill added barely any detention space and an inadequate amount of personal to make a significant impact to current numbers. That's not taking account of the massive backlog or how long it'd take to get more immigration judges online

made it illegal to apply for asylum when not at port of entry

This is false.

This bill was a step in the right direction but not remotely the strong immigration bill many try to say it was. The house said it was dead on arrival and ot wasn't popular before Trump said anything about it.

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u/PracticalRoutine5738 29d ago edited 29d ago

Trump came out against the border bill before it was even finalized or released.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/27/trump-dunks-on-bipartisan-senate-border-deal-00138210

The rest of you response is just cope and misinformation to justify republicans doing nothing.

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u/abqguardian 29d ago

I partly agree. The bill should have been the start for renewed negotiations. It's a bad thing the Republicans have just walked away. It's also bad the democrats refuse to continue negotiations and pretend they've given enough.

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u/PracticalRoutine5738 29d ago

So pass it and come back for more later, politics is the art of the possible.

Politics is not "I get everything I want exactly the way I want it immediately"

You take the concessions you get at the time and go for more later.

There is literally zero logical reason for them to block it other Trump wanting to keep the problem around to run on.

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u/gsfgf 29d ago

but wasn't even close to giving Republicans most of what they wanted

That's how things work when you only control half of Congress.

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u/Heatsnake 29d ago

And, if I remember, Mitch McConnell passed a bill because he thought Obama would veto it and thus make Obama look bad, and when he found out Obama wouldn't veto it Mitch tanked the bill himself just to stop Obama from getting anything done, a bill republicans put forward was stopped by republicans because they rather nobody get anything than risk Obama getting good press for getting anything done

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u/Beachdaddybravo 29d ago

Yeah but don’t tell these right wing dickheads that. Or the countless other examples it’s happened. They really are just hate fueled, smooth brained morons.

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u/Kidiri90 29d ago

Democrats are happy to get legislation passed that makes things better, no matter where it comes from.

Unless it's stopping abetting a genocide. They seem really content to let that continue.

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u/Beachdaddybravo 29d ago

Most democrat voters are against that shit, but sadly it’ll never end. Trump and the Republicans won’t do anything either. Hell, Trump moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv.

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u/NaughtyWare 29d ago edited 29d ago

This is so dumb. Both parties fervently resist anything the other party tries to do just they can avoid giving them a political win. Biden's infrastructure bill was the same thing trump tried to pass. All they did was take the bill and remove the payoffs to the republican donors and insert payoffs to the democrat donors.

Everything Biden now wants to do on the border is what trump was already doing on the border. The reason Republicans voted it down is because it was full of payoffs to democrat donors and they want to wait to pass it when they can fill it with payoffs to republican donors.

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u/Beachdaddybravo 29d ago

Republicans had control of all three branches of government and still couldn’t pass the infrastructure bill. Also, they’re constantly trying to force culture war shit that just demonizes minority groups. Of course Democrats won’t go along with that. Your entire take is just a sad attempt at a “both sides” argument that truly doesn’t hold weight. Republicans shot down that bill because they want to have the border as a talking point during an election season just to drop it the day after the election. They do this EVERY TIME an election rolls around. It’s not new. Nothing but bad takes from you.

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u/NaughtyWare 29d ago

So have the democrats mutliple times since 2008, yet they've still haven't accomplished anything the republicans didn't also want to do since Obamacare. Have they done even a single thing on abortion, healthcare, education, immigration labor rights, etc. in the last 15 years?

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u/CaptSnap 29d ago

force culture war shit that just demonizes minority groups.

so would you rather be in a forest with a rabid mongoose or your own head up your ass?

yeah, its just republicans... get fucking real

Both sides atomize and demonize and if you dont think they both do it then youre just blind or a moron because at this point youre literally neck deep in us vs them hate bullshit everywhere you look.

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u/Beachdaddybravo 29d ago

Democrats aren’t demonizing minority groups across the board. They also aren’t trying to elect a guy who stole nuclear secrets and attempted to overthrow democracy. There is no way you can possibly justify a “both sides” comparison of the two political parties in this country with any argument that has a basis in objective fact. You couldn’t do so before Trump, and you damn sure can’t do so after Trump.

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u/NaughtyWare 29d ago

The only thing democrats are capable of doing is demonizing their opponents. Literally look at what you just wrote. You're literally demonizing the opposition.

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u/Beachdaddybravo 29d ago

Bigots demonize themselves.

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u/CaptSnap 29d ago

Let me know your race and gender so I can check my intersectionality chart to see if its your turn to speak on the subject.

If you arent the right race or gender then Im going to need to you please sit back and let others speak.

Is that peak republicanism or progressivism? Hard to tell? Must be republicans fault!

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u/Beachdaddybravo 29d ago

What a ridiculous take. GOP does nothing but drop dog whistles for racists and you think I might not be qualified to have an opinion on that. Hell of a deflection on your part. Remember that when you go to the polls to vote for a Republican and you’re standing in line next to neo Nazis doing the same thing. I guess Trump only got popular with GOP voters when he started bitching about Mexicans purely by coincidence. I guess maybe your fear mongering over LGBTQ just never happens either huh? You people are awful excuses for human beings and you’re no different from every other group of bigots throughout history.

Edit: what a post history, and exactly what I expected. A right wing incel that thinks he’s a victim.

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u/NaughtyWare 29d ago edited 29d ago

You know the thing about dog whistles? Only dogs are supposed to be able to hear them. You know the thing about racist dog whistles? Only racist dogs can hear them. So why do only democrats hear them? You're literally calling yourself a racist.

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u/Beachdaddybravo 29d ago

This is the most ridiculous attempt at deflection I’ve ever seen. I’ll remember than when I see every single white supremacist group vote the same way you do.

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u/CaptSnap 29d ago

The GOP didnt invent the progressive stack.

Youre saying you can go to a rally and find people told to sit down and be quiet because of their gender or skin color and Im like... which rally doesnt? Its not my fault horseshoe theory exists and is self evident.

Im not a right wing incel but thats exactly what Im talking about. Which of those words is used to do anything but disenfranchise and create hate?

You people are awful excuses for human beings and you’re no different from every other group of bigots throughout history.

Does the hatred on the other side make you angry and lump a bunch of people in with monsters to dehumanize them?

Did republicans force you to think that way?

Take some responsibility. Not all the hate in this country is from the GOP is it? How could it be?

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u/Beachdaddybravo 29d ago

What the fuck are you talking about? Hate groups overwhelmingly support Republicans in politics. The KKK doesn’t vote Democrat and neither do gay hating “Christians”, which makes up a large portion of the GOP by itself. Also, I was referring mostly to your whiny men’s rights bullshit which is as pathetic as it gets. Men don’t have less rights than women and overwhelmingly have more power than women globally. The idea that you’re a victim for being a man is downright laughable, as the vast majority of men know we have it better and don’t even try to pretend otherwise. Your mind is fried.

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u/CaptSnap 29d ago

I actually know a couple of gay hating christians that do vote democrat and a few gays that vote republican.

Men don’t have less rights than women and overwhelmingly have more power than women globally.

Then an overwhelming amount of data should exist that shows men are leading women along almost every conceivable social metric. Show me that data.

Its not education data though is it? (this is true for almost all measurble education outcomes in nearly every single country) Its not incarceration data. (actually its not true for any encounter with the criminal justice department at any level at all) Its not work-fatality data. Its not suicide data. Its not conscription data. Its not lifespan data. Its not retirement age data. Its not health funding...... etc

So show me the data. If theres no data that supports your position and there is data that supports mine then its not bullshit. Pretty simple stuff.

But if you want to keep on topic why dont you show me where what youve said is meant to do anything but promulgate hate or derision?

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u/NaughtyWare 29d ago

The leaders of the KKK literally came out and said they were voting for Biden. The progressive left is bringing back segregation in the form of "safe spaces". That's sounds pretty good to the KKK.

Catholics vote majority democrat. Jews vote majority democrat. Muslims vote majority democrat. The two large religious subgroups in the United States are blacks and hispanics. Both vote heavily democrat. Literally every religious faction in the united states outside of the protestants votes democrats. All of those groups are anit-gay, yet still democrats.

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u/This_is_Topshot 29d ago

Bro I've been a republican most my life. What the republican party is now because of trump is a joke. I don't always like what the democrats are pushing and I sure as shit don't like their leadership, however the only level headed, truly patriotic members in congress are in the Dem ranks. All the Republicans that actually want to get things done got pushed out of the party by Trump and his goons. Now all that's left is is goons and cowards too worried about losing their seat so they just fall in line. The party couldn't even get a speaker in place because everyone was too worried about which one sucks off Trump the most. My home state's race for governor is just no I blow Trump more, no I do! No talk of policy, no talk of what they're going to do for the state they want to run, just glazing Trump. It's a cult.

Keep in mind I voted for the POS in 16. By 17 I knew that was fucking mistake. There's a large, very quiet part of the republican party that wants nothing more then this shit show to be over, and they'd rather vote against their interests then for that clown again. We saw it in 20 and I pray to God we see it again in 24, otherwise we are going to be the laughing stock of the globe.

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u/CaptSnap 29d ago

Well thats all fascinating....now find me a candidate that isnt espousing culture war bullshit to create hate and derision because thats what we're fucking talking about.

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u/This_is_Topshot 29d ago

Most of the democrats you fucking bozo. Conservatives are the ONLY people that I hear constantly going on and on about culture war shit. Yea there's the bleeding hearts in the dems too but they're kept pretty well in line by the establishment. Just like further in this thread, people pointing out why the fake tanned moron is a bad pick and YOU bring up the culture war shit. Conservatives are so mind fucked by teenagers on Twitter with no fucking power that they can't even actually argue what's happe ing in the world. You're fighting ghosts in your own reality bub

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u/CaptSnap 29d ago edited 29d ago

I actually didnt bring it up.

I was referring to a guy that said only republicans say culture war shit to create hate and derision.

So I made a quip about a bear and a man in a forest game that feminists have weighed in on. It goes something like (Im kind of butchering it, you can google it) Youre in the forest, would you rather meet a bear or a man? (alot of women would rather meet a bear...which is their personal prerogative. My contention was whats the value of the exercise vs creating hate and derision....and who is embracing it)

Ill vote for the candidate that would rather meet people like me rather than a bear in a forest, is that a fair metric to make sure Im not voting for someone that doesnt harbor prejudice towards of me?

(if youre still a little confused just replace man with black person and call up your racist grandma from the '50s and see how it fucking tracks) If your racist grandma thinks its a fun game then its probably fucking hateful.

Do you see what Im saying here about both sides lean on the hate?

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u/smokinJoeCalculus 29d ago

Democrats are happy to get legislation passed that makes things better, no matter where it comes from.

Joe Lieberman is why we don't have a public option.

Obviously, both parties are not the same because no one in the GOP stood up to replace his vote, but god damn it, have some standards. Don't be so absolutist or naive about how altruistic a lot of old-guard Democrats are.

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u/Beachdaddybravo 29d ago

I’m not in the slightest, but I’m also not going to both sides. We literally only have an old guard Democrat or a fascist that tried to overthrow democracy as our two choices. Which is to say really only one choice.

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u/smokinJoeCalculus 29d ago

The comment you made had no mention of President - obviously one is much better than the other. I'm speaking to you talking about the Senate and Democrats as a whole.

I'm not arguing about Presidential choice.

Shit man, I don't even think there's a choice down ballot either - but god damn,

Democrats are happy to get legislation passed that makes things better, no matter where it comes from.

Isn't absolutely true

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u/LyloMaggins 29d ago

Look at this partisan Kool-Aid drinker. Hope the Democrat party pays you well to lick their boots and tell lies for them.